MBA Chat — September 28, 2000


MBA Chat — September 28, 2000

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Columbia!!

Columbia Admissions Chat with Linda Meehan, Assistant Dean and Executive Director of Admissions and Financial Aid at Columbia Business School.

Linda Abraham (ID=22) (Sep 28, 2000 9:02:32 PM)
First I want to welcome you all to Accepted.com's Columbia admissions chat.

Ban (ID=27) (Sep 28, 2000 9:02:32 PM)
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Linda Abraham (ID=22) (Sep 28, 2000 9:02:45 PM)
I also want to welcome Linda Meehan, Assistant Dean and Executive Director of Admissions and Financial Aid at Columbia Business School. And last but not least, I want to welcome Paul Bodine and Cindy Tokumitsu, two of Accepted.com's editors.

Linda Abraham (ID=22) (Sep 28, 2000 9:02:53 PM)
Thanks to everyone for joining.

Linda Abraham (ID=22) (Sep 28, 2000 9:03:00 PM)
We encourage dialogue and discussion, but I would like to suggest a structure to make it easier to follow the threads of conversation. So here is the protocol:

Linda Abraham (ID=22) (Sep 28, 2000 9:03:08 PM)
We will post material to the chat. If you have a question on that material, please type a '?' and then your question. I and/or other participants will reply. If one of you wants to comment on the current topic, please jump right in. If you want to start a different topic, please type '?'.

Linda Abraham (ID=22) (Sep 28, 2000 9:03:15 PM)
Final request: We would like to avoid the brief summary of qualifications (or even the long laundry list) followed by the question, "Can I qualify?" Or "What are my chances?" This isn't the forum for that kind of analysis.

Linda Abraham (ID=22) (Sep 28, 2000 9:03:22 PM)
Other than that limitation, this is your chance to ask questions about Columbia's program and admissions policies. But I would like to take advantage of my position as host and ask the first questions.

Linda Abraham (ID=22) (Sep 28, 2000 9:03:40 PM)
Linda, once an application is complete, how is it processed? How many people review it?

AlpineLake (ID=28) (Sep 28, 2000 9:04:07 PM)
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Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=17) (Sep 28, 2000 9:05:24 PM)
The application is sent to the first reader who does a complete read of the application, even a final decision. It then can go to interview or to the committee for another review... the committee may consist of three or more members. If the rec. is for it to be interviewed it will then go through that process...when the interview is complete it will come to me for a final decision.

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Linda Abraham (ID=22) (Sep 28, 2000 9:06:25 PM)
So the application is read by 1 or more readers depending on whether the first reader recommends admission or not?

Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=17) (Sep 28, 2000 9:06:50 PM)
It will always be seen by at least three... usually far more.

Linda Abraham (ID=22) (Sep 28, 2000 9:07:11 PM)
In your interview last year with BusinessWeek, you had the following exchange:

Linda Abraham (ID=22) (Sep 28, 2000 9:07:20 PM)
"Q: What are the types of things that help a successful applicant grab your attention?

ling (ID=30) (Sep 28, 2000 9:07:22 PM)
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Linda Abraham (ID=22) (Sep 28, 2000 9:07:27 PM)
"A: I wish I could give you the magic formula, but what makes an application unique is that it isn't part of a magic formula."

Linda Abraham (ID=22) (Sep 28, 2000 9:07:35 PM)
Assuming that you still believe there is no magic formula, if you were to choose 3 attributes you would like to see in CBS students, what would they be?

Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=17) (Sep 28, 2000 9:08:15 PM)
Motivated, dynamic, focused and interesting... and involved.

Linda Abraham (ID=22) (Sep 28, 2000 9:08:28 PM)
Great!

Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=17) (Sep 28, 2000 9:08:34 PM)
Guess that's more than three...

Linda Abraham (ID=22) (Sep 28, 2000 9:08:55 PM)
I am not asked often, but I am asked too often: "What are the chances of getting caught if someone makes up material in essays or impersonates a recommender?" Usually the asker is in an ends-justify-the-means mode. Discussions of integrity fall on deaf ears, and I am left emphasizing that if caught, the consequences are devastating. If the writer replies, he or she will then ask something along the lines of, "What are the chances of getting caught?"

Linda Abraham (ID=22) (Sep 28, 2000 9:09:03 PM)
How do you verify recommendations or the content of the essays and job descriptions?

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Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=17) (Sep 28, 2000 9:09:43 PM)
The answer to the first question is... they are easy to catch. I am sure however we miss some.

Linda Abraham (ID=22) (Sep 28, 2000 9:10:26 PM)
The phoniness usually just shows through in my experience. Has that been yours or do you spot check?

Skywalker (ID=32) (Sep 28, 2000 9:10:45 PM)
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Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=17) (Sep 28, 2000 9:10:50 PM)
We will only make calls when things do not add up. When someone interviews they may say something different from what is on the application or they don't have knowledge of something they should if they had worked in a certain company.

Linda Abraham (ID=22) (Sep 28, 2000 9:11:10 PM)
Older applicants (>30) sometimes feel that they have a harder time getting accepted. What can the 30+ crowd do to increase their chances of admission?

Lori E (ID=19) (Sep 28, 2000 9:11:24 PM)
Just a question on a previous question - Is it a good sign when an applicant is asked to schedule an interview? Does every potential "acceptee" have a chance to have an interview?

Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=17) (Sep 28, 2000 9:11:39 PM)
It is never about age. It is always about realistic goals and how they plan to achieve them.

Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=17) (Sep 28, 2000 9:12:45 PM)
Lori, that's hard to answer. It is a good sign if you asked to interview. However, we do indeed reject some that are... we also accept applicants that we do not interview.

Linda Abraham (ID=22) (Sep 28, 2000 9:12:52 PM)
Is Columbia lowering the work experience requirement? If so, what kind of experience does Columbia want to see?

Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=17) (Sep 28, 2000 9:14:55 PM)
I think what we are doing is opening up the pool. We will look at applicants who are directly out of school. Those coming directly out of school should have focus... be motivated and have very strong achs. as well as leadership. We are also looking closely at those who are one to three years out. The kind of experience is not as significant as what they plan to do with it and how well they have done.

javier (ID=33) (Sep 28, 2000 9:14:57 PM)
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Linda Abraham (ID=22) (Sep 28, 2000 9:15:15 PM)
Some admissions experts feel that "hot shots" should apply as early as possible, but that those with less stellar profiles should apply toward the middle of the application season, more towards December - January. What do you think about that advice?

javier (ID=33) (Sep 28, 2000 9:15:22 PM)
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Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=17) (Sep 28, 2000 9:16:06 PM)
I think it all depends... Columbia is rolling admissions which means we have far more slots now than we will have in April. We will take strong applicants whenever we see them.

skywalker (ID=35) (Sep 28, 2000 9:16:08 PM)
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Linda Abraham (ID=22) (Sep 28, 2000 9:16:20 PM)
How are re-applicants evaluated? Are they at a disadvantage? Advantage? Will the previous app also be considered, especially if the applicant applied more than two years earlier?

Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=17) (Sep 28, 2000 9:16:36 PM)
I should also add that we continue to admit throughout June and July.

Linda Abraham (ID=22) (Sep 28, 2000 9:16:51 PM)
From your waiting list right?

sammy1 (ID=34) (Sep 28, 2000 9:17:14 PM)
What type of health-related courses do you offer at Columbia?

Ban (ID=27) (Sep 28, 2000 9:17:20 PM)
?Should re-applicants always apply in the 1st round?

Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=17) (Sep 28, 2000 9:17:34 PM)
We like applicants that reapply. It shows they are interested in an MBA and more important in Columbia.

AlpineLake (ID=28) (Sep 28, 2000 9:17:46 PM)
Linda M. (actually both Lindas in fact), thanks for making yourself accessible. Do you know when you plan to start issuing decisions for the January class and when this class will be closed?

javaca (ID=36) (Sep 28, 2000 9:18:05 PM)
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Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=17) (Sep 28, 2000 9:18:07 PM)
If an applicants applied two years earlier they should be aware they need to complete a new application.

Linda Abraham (ID=22) (Sep 28, 2000 9:18:15 PM)
Let's hold questions for a minute.

Linda Abraham (ID=22) (Sep 28, 2000 9:18:22 PM)
And let Linda catch up.

Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=17) (Sep 28, 2000 9:18:48 PM)
Some decisions have already been sent out. They will continue to roll as they are reviewed and interviewed and reviewed.

Linda Abraham (ID=22) (Sep 28, 2000 9:19:15 PM)
Sammy1, could you repeat your question?

sammy1 (ID=34) (Sep 28, 2000 9:20:01 PM)
What type of health related course do you offer at Columbia? I am interested in an MBA program that focuses in the health field.

lydia h (ID=37) (Sep 28, 2000 9:20:37 PM)
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javaca (ID=36) (Sep 28, 2000 9:21:06 PM)
What is your policy and purpose for wait list status, as I have read numerous reports indicating it is extensively used (far more than any school).

Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=17) (Sep 28, 2000 9:21:11 PM)
Sammy... I am not sure what exactly your asking? We do have a dual program with the School of Public Health... but we also have courses related to Health Care. You are better off going to our web site and checking out the courses and the course selection.

sammy1 (ID=34) (Sep 28, 2000 9:21:26 PM)
Thanks.

Linda Abraham (ID=22) (Sep 28, 2000 9:21:39 PM)
Ban had asked whether re-applicants should always apply early.

Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=17) (Sep 28, 2000 9:22:34 PM)
The waitlist at Columbia is used for several purposes. One is to allow us to admit the most heterogeneous class we can. Since we are rolling admissions, we don't see a large group of applicants at one time but instead see them rolling in...

Lori E (ID=19) (Sep 28, 2000 9:22:45 PM)
?Are the chances for international students to receive a scholarship the same as for US students?

javaca (ID=36) (Sep 28, 2000 9:23:43 PM)
May I ask what percentage of applicants are placed on the wait list?

Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=17) (Sep 28, 2000 9:23:48 PM)
International students do not receive scholarship as they are for US citizens and based on need. They may qualify for loans and Fellowships which are based on merit.

turano (ID=38) (Sep 28, 2000 9:24:12 PM)
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Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=17) (Sep 28, 2000 9:24:19 PM)
I actually don't know. It changes from year to year and from Sept. to Jan. We don't have a set number.

Lori E (ID=19) (Sep 28, 2000 9:24:21 PM)
Thanks!

Ricardo M (ID=18) (Sep 28, 2000 9:24:25 PM)
Talking about recommendation letters, should I exclusively look for employers or should I also look for college professors, clients, etc?

Ban (ID=27) (Sep 28, 2000 9:25:17 PM)
?Do CBS offers loan without cosigner?

Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=17) (Sep 28, 2000 9:25:24 PM)
If you have been in the work force... ask your current supervisor, or someone who has supervised you. We are interested in what you do at work... how you perform and what kinds of potential they feel you have...

Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=17) (Sep 28, 2000 9:25:39 PM)
Yes, we offer loans without cosigners.

Ban (ID=27) (Sep 28, 2000 9:25:40 PM)
I mean for international student?

Ban (ID=27) (Sep 28, 2000 9:25:55 PM)
Full loan?

Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=17) (Sep 28, 2000 9:26:11 PM)
Yes, we do not consider our international applicants different from our US citizens.

Lori E (ID=19) (Sep 28, 2000 9:26:23 PM)
?Are Columbia students extensively recruited for summer internship work in NY?

Linda Abraham (ID=22) (Sep 28, 2000 9:26:26 PM)
Your question 3 asks about "a non-academic personal failure." What do you think about applicants using failed relationships as their failure?

Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=17) (Sep 28, 2000 9:26:27 PM)
Full cost of tuition and living expenses.

skywalker (ID=35) (Sep 28, 2000 9:26:59 PM)
In the case of rolling admissions, is one at a disadvantage if one applies towards the end of the application deadline?

Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=17) (Sep 28, 2000 9:27:06 PM)
I think that is something the applicant must decide. We are looking to get to know you and what is important to you.

Linda Abraham (ID=22) (Sep 28, 2000 9:27:33 PM)
Lore E asked how extensively Columbia students are recruited for summer internships in NY.

Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=17) (Sep 28, 2000 9:28:03 PM)
Hard to tell. Remember there are more spots earlier and I tend to look closer as we get towards the end. However, if you are great, I'll take you anytime.

Ban (ID=27) (Sep 28, 2000 9:28:55 PM)
? I was rejected from waitlist and was asked to improve my GMAT. Does that means this is the only concern that I should address in my reapplication?

Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=17) (Sep 28, 2000 9:29:13 PM)
Have you looked at our placement report? Have you looked at where our students go? The answer is yes, they are very much in demand in NY and over the world. Please take a few minutes and go to our web site and check out the Career Placement Report.

sammy1 (ID=34) (Sep 28, 2000 9:29:17 PM)
At what point, after the application is submitted would one expect to get a notice for an interview?

Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=17) (Sep 28, 2000 9:30:22 PM)
It means that it was one of the major reasons your application was not as competitive as it might have been...if you look at our profile and see where the 80% spread falls it should give you some indication as to where you stood.

Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=17) (Sep 28, 2000 9:31:07 PM)
The interview can come within two to four weeks... maybe more depending on the flow of applications.

Linda Abraham (ID=22) (Sep 28, 2000 9:31:18 PM)
Any questions?

Ban (ID=27) (Sep 28, 2000 9:31:27 PM)
I have improved my GMAT from 640 to 690. What approach I should take on reapplication?

turano (ID=38) (Sep 28, 2000 9:32:01 PM)
My credentials and life experiences are otherwise great, but my GMAT was 600. I have an extremely busy work schedule (trial attorney) and may not be able to study enough to get the GMAT score up significantly. Is it still worth applying?

sammy1 (ID=34) (Sep 28, 2000 9:32:32 PM)
What do you look for when looking at transcripts?

Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=17) (Sep 28, 2000 9:32:38 PM)
If you are reapplying within one year... you are to submit an updated resume, and an essay stating what you have been doing since you last applied. If things have not changed you have an opportunity to write what you wish.

lydia h (ID=37) (Sep 28, 2000 9:32:51 PM)
? How do you factor in the AWA? If my GMAT composite is at the high range for Columbia, would you recommend retaking the GMAT if my AWA is low (4.0)?

Linda Abraham (ID=22) (Sep 28, 2000 9:33:17 PM)
Let's hold the questions for a minute.

Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=17) (Sep 28, 2000 9:33:32 PM)
Transcripts are looked at for the degree of difficulty... how well you did... and how competitive the school you attended...

Ban (ID=27) (Sep 28, 2000 9:33:39 PM)
? What's the % of reapp get accepted compare to 1st time applicants?

Linda Abraham (ID=22) (Sep 28, 2000 9:33:48 PM)
Ban you want to show growth and development in all areas, not just the GMAT.

Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=17) (Sep 28, 2000 9:33:54 PM)
Are you an international applicant?

Ban (ID=27) (Sep 28, 2000 9:34:05 PM)
Yes I am

Ricardo M (ID=18) (Sep 28, 2000 9:34:18 PM)
Me too.

sammy1 (ID=34) (Sep 28, 2000 9:34:34 PM)
Do you use a particular guideline when assessing the competitiveness of a school — when looking at transcripts?

Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=17) (Sep 28, 2000 9:35:02 PM)
The AWA may be important depending on your TOEFL score and your verbal GMAT score. The essays you submit will also play into the decision. If all is really strong, the 4 should be fine.

Lori E (ID=19) (Sep 28, 2000 9:35:24 PM)
?I know Columbia only looks at the highest GMAT score, but they do receive all scores from ETS. Is it a disadvantage to re-take the GMAT more then once?

Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=17) (Sep 28, 2000 9:35:43 PM)
For US schools we are very aware of the competitiveness... for international programs we have the use of our International Student Office

Linda Abraham (ID=22) (Sep 28, 2000 9:36:04 PM)
Turano, could you repeat your question?

Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=17) (Sep 28, 2000 9:36:06 PM)
Most of the time we receive all of the scores... not all of the time

Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=17) (Sep 28, 2000 9:36:33 PM)
It is not a disadvantage to retake the GMATs more than once...

Ban (ID=27) (Sep 28, 2000 9:36:34 PM)
Does it matter if you take GMAT many times?




Linda Abraham (ID=22) (Sep 28, 2000 9:36:45 PM)
Is it fair to say that the GMAT is weighed slightly more heavily when dealing with a transcript form a school where the standards are not well known?

sammy1 (ID=34) (Sep 28, 2000 9:36:56 PM)
Do you consider the undergraduate program that a person graduated from — the degree of difficulty, if one does not come from an ultra-competitive school?

Ban (ID=27) (Sep 28, 2000 9:37:11 PM)
? What is the % of reapplicant get admitted compared to 1st time applicant?

Linda Abraham (ID=22) (Sep 28, 2000 9:37:22 PM)
Let's hold the questions for a minute.

ling (ID=30) (Sep 28, 2000 9:37:49 PM)
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Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=17) (Sep 28, 2000 9:37:51 PM)
It is the whole academic package we look at... however if the applicant pool for that year has very high scores than your having a very low score may hurt some... it will not push you out of the competition.

Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=17) (Sep 28, 2000 9:38:10 PM)
I have never tracked that stat.

Linda Abraham (ID=22) (Sep 28, 2000 9:38:44 PM)
Lori E...

Lori E (ID=19) (Sep 28, 2000 9:39:08 PM)
Yes

Linda Abraham (ID=22) (Sep 28, 2000 9:39:14 PM)
Did your question get answered?

Ban (ID=27) (Sep 28, 2000 9:39:15 PM)
?What about social enterprise at CBS? Does its location in NYC offers any advantage? Where can I find more info about this?

Lori E (ID=19) (Sep 28, 2000 9:39:38 PM)
Yes, Linda did answer that rewriting the GMAT is not disadvantageous.

penev (ID=20) (Sep 28, 2000 9:39:45 PM)
How do you decide whom to give a fellowship, especially for international students from Eastern Europe?

Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=17) (Sep 28, 2000 9:40:02 PM)
Yes, plus we have a very strong entrep. program which uses faculty, alums and vc.

turano (ID=38) (Sep 28, 2000 9:40:24 PM)
Is GMAT weighed less for older applicants with more work and life experiences?

sammy1 (ID=34) (Sep 28, 2000 9:40:40 PM)
Do you consider applicants that have "nontraditional" backgrounds? I am an Occupational Therapist.

Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=17) (Sep 28, 2000 9:41:15 PM)
Applicants who indicate they want to be considered for Fellowship and send their applications in by Feb. 1 will be considered for Fellowship. They then go through a Fellowship selection committee. When chosen they are sent to Faculty for the final selection.

Lori E (ID=19) (Sep 28, 2000 9:41:48 PM)
Thank you Linda(s)! As I am in Australia — 15 hours ahead, I've got to get back to work! Bye.

Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=17) (Sep 28, 2000 9:41:59 PM)
Yes, we do... we have had a Zoo Keeper, several Olympians... etc.

penev (ID=20) (Sep 28, 2000 9:42:17 PM)
Can an international student get a fellowship if he is an average applicant. For example has GMAT 690-700 but really needs the money or has to be really outstanding with GMAT 750+ and other strong credentials

Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=17) (Sep 28, 2000 9:42:27 PM)
You are most welcome. Please don't hesitate to give us a call or visit.

Linda Abraham (ID=22) (Sep 28, 2000 9:42:51 PM)
Other questions?

Ricardo M (ID=18) (Sep 28, 2000 9:42:56 PM)
Is there a pre-determined number of International applicants to be accepted this year? Are there quotas for specific countries or regions?

sammy1 (ID=34) (Sep 28, 2000 9:43:03 PM)
Do you consider the degree of difficulty of an undergraduate program — if the school is not ultra competitive??

Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=17) (Sep 28, 2000 9:43:04 PM)
The Fellowships are based on merit... you achs look strong but we would evaluate the rest of your application as well.

Ban (ID=27) (Sep 28, 2000 9:43:57 PM)
? What is the % of international student got jobs in US after graduation?

Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=17) (Sep 28, 2000 9:44:22 PM)
We are looking for a well rounded class at Columbia. This year we had 50 countries represented in the Sept. class. We do not have quotas... however we do want to retain the balance we currently have...US...International. About 1/3 of our students are international.

skywalker (ID=35) (Sep 28, 2000 9:44:40 PM)
How do you interpret the Verbal and the Quantative score on the GMAT? For e.g.. if I have an engineering background would you be more concerned with my Verbal score?

Ricardo M (ID=18) (Sep 28, 2000 9:44:49 PM)
Thanks

Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=17) (Sep 28, 2000 9:45:00 PM)
I really don't know. But in this market our students pretty much have their pick of where they want to work. That can change...

Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=17) (Sep 28, 2000 9:45:29 PM)
Skywalker... are you US or international?

turano (ID=38) (Sep 28, 2000 9:45:41 PM)
Are applicants looking to make a career transition looked on any differently? Should such an applicant specify a career?

Ban (ID=27) (Sep 28, 2000 9:46:07 PM)
? Where can I find out more about CBS besides your web site?

Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=17) (Sep 28, 2000 9:46:42 PM)
No... only if they apply for January. Our January Class is for those who do not want or need and internship, therefore no career switchers. We assume at least half or more than half are going to school to change careers.

skywalker (ID=35) (Sep 28, 2000 9:46:45 PM)
I am international but have done grad school in the US and have work ex in US.

Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=17) (Sep 28, 2000 9:47:04 PM)
Just about any publication that deals with MBA programs.

penev (ID=20) (Sep 28, 2000 9:47:04 PM)
So, basically if you offer me an admission (it doesn't matter if my GMAT is 650 or 750) you will find a way to finance my education?

penev (ID=20) (Sep 28, 2000 9:48:10 PM)
I mean once you offer admission to an applicant

Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=17) (Sep 28, 2000 9:48:10 PM)
I want to make sure that your language skills in English are strong. One of the reasons students from all over meld so well at Columbia is that they share one major thing in common. They all have strong English skills.

Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=17) (Sep 28, 2000 9:49:27 PM)
No, I will not find a way to finance your education... it is your responsibility. What we will do is provide you with the opportunity to apply for student loans. This means you will need assets and a good credit.

Linda Abraham (ID=22) (Sep 28, 2000 9:49:41 PM)
Other questions?

sammy1 (ID=34) (Sep 28, 2000 9:50:20 PM)
Would you suggest writing the last optional essay??? What would you include in that?

Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=17) (Sep 28, 2000 9:50:28 PM)
We will also may other suggestion as to where you might apply for Grants and other Fellowships outside the school.

penev (ID=20) (Sep 28, 2000 9:50:49 PM)
What about if I am from Russia? What assets I can have or good credit

Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=17) (Sep 28, 2000 9:51:08 PM)
It optional... if there is something more you want us to know about you or if you think you need to explain something else... this is where you can do that.

sammy1 (ID=34) (Sep 28, 2000 9:51:56 PM)
But not just filler... for the optional essay?

turano (ID=38) (Sep 28, 2000 9:51:59 PM)
Granted, the earlier CBS receives an application the better. At what point does it become detrimental?

Linda Abraham (ID=22) (Sep 28, 2000 9:52:36 PM)
Never put filler in any essay.

Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=39) (Sep 28, 2000 9:52:50 PM)
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Linda Abraham (ID=22) (Sep 28, 2000 9:53:03 PM)
I am glad you came back so quickly.

Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=39) (Sep 28, 2000 9:53:09 PM)
Sorry I got cut off.

ling (ID=30) (Sep 28, 2000 9:53:20 PM)
Hi Linda, an application is usually reviewed by how many people? 2? 3?

skywalker (ID=35) (Sep 28, 2000 9:53:24 PM)
In case of rolling admissions, as far as the GMAT scores are concerned, do you normally benchmark against last years scores?

Linda Abraham (ID=22) (Sep 28, 2000 9:53:40 PM)
Peeve, had asked how he can demonstrate good credit or bring assets if he is from Russia?

Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=39) (Sep 28, 2000 9:54:02 PM)
We start out by benchmarking against last year but after a few weeks we start to get a feeling of the new pool.

Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=39) (Sep 28, 2000 9:54:09 PM)
3 or more

ling (ID=30) (Sep 28, 2000 9:54:22 PM)
thanks

Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=39) (Sep 28, 2000 9:54:44 PM)
savings... home... statement from your bank. The funds and credit may be yours or someone in your family.

Linda Abraham (ID=22) (Sep 28, 2000 9:54:56 PM)
Any other questions?

sammy1 (ID=34) (Sep 28, 2000 9:55:12 PM)
Do you consider the degree of difficulty of the undergrad program if the degree of difficulty of the school is not so high.

Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=39) (Sep 28, 2000 9:55:47 PM)
If the degree of difficulty is not so high at your school we would hope that you did very very well within that program.

Linda Abraham (ID=22) (Sep 28, 2000 9:56:17 PM)
Next question...

skywalker (ID=35) (Sep 28, 2000 9:56:36 PM)
Is an applicant at a severe disadvantage if her score is just 30 points below the average GMAT score.

sammy1 (ID=34) (Sep 28, 2000 9:57:02 PM)
The program itself was an exceptionally difficult program, but I believe some other programs were not as difficult.. My cumulative GPA was 3.43.

Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=39) (Sep 28, 2000 9:57:44 PM)
My answer is... if our 80% range is 650-750 which it is... and you fall within that range you should have good comfort level... the further you fall the less comfort you should have...

Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=39) (Sep 28, 2000 9:58:01 PM)
You're in a good place Sammy1.

Linda Abraham (ID=22) (Sep 28, 2000 9:58:42 PM)
Linda, it is almost 7:00 PM. Do you want to take a couple of more questions?

Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=39) (Sep 28, 2000 9:58:50 PM)
Let me ask you check our travel schedule and see when we will be in your area for information sessions and receptions. We would be happy to speak with you further.

Ban (ID=27) (Sep 28, 2000 9:59:02 PM)
? Linda, when can we have the last chat of Maxx in the chat schedule?

Linda Abraham (ID=22) (Sep 28, 2000 9:59:12 PM)
You mean the transcript?

Linda Abraham (ID=22) (Sep 28, 2000 9:59:25 PM)
It should be up by tomorrow.

sammy1 (ID=34) (Sep 28, 2000 9:59:31 PM)
What would be a decent GMAT with transcripts considered, 4.5 yrs work exp, MS in Health Admin, teaching exp to undergrads...

Ban (ID=27) (Sep 28, 2000 9:59:35 PM)
thanks

toffee (ID=40) (Sep 28, 2000 9:59:48 PM)
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penev (ID=20) (Sep 28, 2000 9:59:54 PM)
It is impossible with the living standard of East European country. The point of my questions is that there are a lot of international student (chinese, indian, russians...) who will be a great asset for any program, but can't attend without full financial aid. Will the school finance their education or won't have them in class because of financial reasons.

Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=39) (Sep 28, 2000 9:59:54 PM)
Too specific sammy1 and not possible to answer...

sammy1 (ID=34) (Sep 28, 2000 10:00:10 PM)
sorry!!!!!

toffee (ID=40) (Sep 28, 2000 10:00:22 PM)
?

Linda Abraham (ID=22) (Sep 28, 2000 10:00:29 PM)
Go ahead toffee.

paulAccepted.com (ID=41) (Sep 28, 2000 10:00:52 PM)
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sammy1 (ID=34) (Sep 28, 2000 10:01:14 PM)
When would one know admission or rejection if one was on the waiting list?

Ban (ID=27) (Sep 28, 2000 10:01:16 PM)
? I have the same concern with Penev, about financial?

philkim (ID=43) (Sep 28, 2000 10:01:17 PM)
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Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=39) (Sep 28, 2000 10:01:17 PM)
There are many schools which will finance your education. We believe you are making an investment in your future. If you are not selected for Fellowship we will help you in apply for loans and learning about other methods. But, you may want to look elsewhere.

Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=39) (Sep 28, 2000 10:02:01 PM)
If it looks like someone will not come off the waitlist we will take them off. The time they are on will depend on the applicant pool and the applicant.

toffee (ID=40) (Sep 28, 2000 10:02:08 PM)
this is regarding applicants wanting to return to family business. is jan session more suited for such applicants? also is the criteria for jan admissions any different? (say regarding work-ex: both quantity and quality)

Ban (ID=27) (Sep 28, 2000 10:02:16 PM)
Do we do such looking out for funds before or after we arrive CBS?

james (ID=44) (Sep 28, 2000 10:02:46 PM)
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sammy1 (ID=34) (Sep 28, 2000 10:02:50 PM)
What do you mean by taking them off the wait list if they will not come off?

Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=39) (Sep 28, 2000 10:02:55 PM)
yes, January is designed for those going into family business.

PaulAccepted.com (ID=45) (Sep 28, 2000 10:03:05 PM)
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Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=39) (Sep 28, 2000 10:03:07 PM)
Before

Ban (ID=27) (Sep 28, 2000 10:03:15 PM)
Thanks

Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=39) (Sep 28, 2000 10:03:44 PM)
If we feel that they will not be taken off... we will then reject them from the waitlist rather than just letting them stay on forever.

Ban (ID=27) (Sep 28, 2000 10:04:03 PM)
? How can we gain an assessment of whether we stand a good chance for CBS?

Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=39) (Sep 28, 2000 10:04:34 PM)
Check out our web site and look at the class profile from the entering Sept. Class.

turano (ID=38) (Sep 28, 2000 10:04:38 PM)
Can an applicant request an interview? How helpful can the interview be to an applicant's chances?

sammy1 (ID=34) (Sep 28, 2000 10:04:39 PM)
I see, so if you feel that they will not reach the level to be accepted based on the acceptance rate of the applicant pool, then you will notify them that they are out of the pool?

james (ID=44) (Sep 28, 2000 10:04:42 PM)
How much weight does the GMAT carry as a percentage of the decision process?

toffee (ID=47) (Sep 28, 2000 10:05:30 PM)
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Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=39) (Sep 28, 2000 10:05:34 PM)
At Columbia, interviews are done by our invitation only. You are welcome to visit the school and attend an information session as well as sit in on a class. Check to make sure we are in session and not in exams.

Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=39) (Sep 28, 2000 10:05:54 PM)
The GMAT is one part of the evaluation...

sammy1 (ID=34) (Sep 28, 2000 10:06:11 PM)
Is there a particular day that is better to visit the school and attend the information sessions?

Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=39) (Sep 28, 2000 10:06:51 PM)
Info. Sessions are Mondays at 10:00 AM and Thursdays at 1:00 PM. There are no classes on Fridays. Make sure it is not a holiday...

Linda Abraham (ID=22) (Sep 28, 2000 10:07:16 PM)
Linda,

james (ID=44) (Sep 28, 2000 10:07:21 PM)
Would someone with a 670 GMAT be disadvantaged or would that fit in a range that would be taken seriously were all the other factors strong?

Linda Abraham (ID=22) (Sep 28, 2000 10:07:24 PM)
should we take two more questions and call it a night?

Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=39) (Sep 28, 2000 10:07:25 PM)
yes...

turano (ID=38) (Sep 28, 2000 10:07:31 PM)
What is CBS's criteria for inviting an applicant to interview? Do most accepted applicants get interviewed?

Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=39) (Sep 28, 2000 10:07:35 PM)
yes...

Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=39) (Sep 28, 2000 10:08:03 PM)
We interviewed about 85-87% of the incoming class.

Linda Abraham (ID=22) (Sep 28, 2000 10:08:06 PM)
James and Turano, and that will be it for this evening.

Linda Abraham (ID=22) (Sep 28, 2000 10:08:23 PM)
I would also really appreciate feedback from all of you on tonight's chat. Please send your comments, criticisms, and suggestions for future chats to chatfeedback@accepted.com.

sammy1 (ID=34) (Sep 28, 2000 10:08:34 PM)
Thank you very much, Linda and Linda, for your time!!!!

turano (ID=38) (Sep 28, 2000 10:08:37 PM)
Thank you Dean. Thank you Linda.

curious (ID=23) (Sep 28, 2000 10:08:45 PM)
thanks

Ban (ID=27) (Sep 28, 2000 10:08:45 PM)
Linda, can you recommend some website for MBA research? Some I know are: business week, fast, wetfeet, any other good ones you know?

Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=39) (Sep 28, 2000 10:08:46 PM)
Thank you all for your interest in Columbia Business School. If I may be of further help please call us anytime.

Linda Abraham (ID=22) (Sep 28, 2000 10:08:56 PM)
I think BW is the best one.

Linda Abraham (ID=22) (Sep 28, 2000 10:09:08 PM)
Thank you again all for participating this evening. Special thanks to Linda Meehan for joining us and to Paul Bodine and Cindy Tokumitsu for their assistance.

Dean of Admissions Columbia (ID=39) (Sep 28, 2000 10:09:15 PM)
Princeton Review and most important go to individual web sites of schools.

Linda Abraham (ID=22) (Sep 28, 2000 10:09:16 PM)
We look forward to seeing you at future chats:

Ban (ID=27) (Sep 28, 2000 10:09:18 PM)
Any more you can suggest?

Linda Abraham (ID=22) (Sep 28, 2000 10:09:28 PM)
October 10 with Maxx Duffy discussing admissions at Chicago, Michigan, Tuck, and Duke.

curious (ID=23) (Sep 28, 2000 10:09:40 PM)
whose hosting for MIT?

Linda Abraham (ID=22) (Sep 28, 2000 10:09:42 PM)
November 6 with representatives of MIT including Rod Garcia, Director of MBA admissions.

sammy1 (ID=34) (Sep 28, 2000 10:09:43 PM)
NYU, Wharton, Yale anytime????

Linda Abraham (ID=22) (Sep 28, 2000 10:10:08 PM)
For MIT, Rod Garcia will be our guest along with another member of the adcom and a second year student.

Linda Abraham (ID=22) (Sep 28, 2000 10:10:33 PM)
I am setting up others, but I haven't firmed those up yet.

PaulAccepted.com (ID=45) (Sep 28, 2000 10:10:42 PM)
Thank you, Linda and Linda.

Linda Abraham (ID=22) (Sep 28, 2000 10:10:43 PM)
Have a very good evening! Good luck with your applications!

r2 (ID=48) (Sep 28, 2000 10:10:44 PM)
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Ban (ID=27) (Sep 28, 2000 10:10:57 PM)
Good nite?

Ban (ID=27) (Sep 28, 2000 10:11:05 PM)
Bye

Linda Abraham (ID=22) (Sep 28, 2000 10:11:09 PM)
Good night, and good luck!