Medical Chat — June 20, 2000

Medical Chat — June 20, 2000

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Five Mistakes to Avoid in Med School Admissions

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 10:14:02 PM)
First I want to welcome you all to our chat this evening. A special welcome and thanks to our guest, Dr. Cynthia Lewis, founder and head of Lewis Associates, a medical school admissions consultancy. I also want to thank Cindy Tokumitsu, an editor, for participating this evening.

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 10:15:05 PM)
Thanks to everyone for joining.

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 10:15:13 PM)
We encourage dialogue and discussion, but I would like to suggest a structure to make it easier to follow the threads of conversation. So here is the protocol:

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 10:15:24 PM)
We will post material to the chat. If you have a question on that material, please type a '?' and then your question. I and/or other participants will reply. If one of you wants to comment on the current topic, please jump right in. If you want to start a different topic, please type '?'.

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 10:15:31 PM)
Hi — we had some technical difficulty — but on board now.

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 10:15:36 PM)
Dr. Lewis has promised to discuss with us five admissions mistakes to avoid. I would like to start with the obvious question:

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 10:15:44 PM)
What are the five med school admissions mistakes to avoid?

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 10:16:07 PM)
Linda, the most important ones are:

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 10:16:27 PM)
1) Assumption that deadlines are appropriate timing for submitting applications,,, wrong!

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 10:17:02 PM)
2) assumption that all is well if you have not heard anything from AMCAS or a school.

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 10:17:31 PM)
3) Assumption that the verbal reasoning part of the MCAT doesn't have anything to do with science, so it isn't important.

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 10:17:53 PM)
4) Assumption that you have enough funds to complete the process, but run out in the middle of secondary applications.

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 10:18:10 PM)
5) Assumption that people who said they would write letters on your behalf intend to send them in the next month!

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 10:18:15 PM)
Let's go through these fatal fallacies.

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 10:18:25 PM)
1. Assuming that "deadlines" are the appropriate time for submitting applications ... WRONG!

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 10:18:36 PM)
When should applicants submit their AMCAS and secondary applications?

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 10:18:55 PM)
If the April MCAT is taken, I advise waiting to see your scores

dr. lewis (ID=32) Jun 20, 2000 10:19:29 PM)
which this year was about June you know if you mark the August MCAT box and select schools which match your academic credentials.

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 10:19:51 PM)
If an earlier MCAT or the August MCAT is taken, one should submit the application as close to June as possible

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 10:20:13 PM)
Even if one is taking the August MCAT, you recommend submitting in June?

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 10:21:09 PM)
Yes — there really are schools which will give you secondaries upon receiving your application — especially private schools — they probably will not interview until the scores come out — but getting the secondary in is HELPFUL

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 10:21:35 PM)
That leads to the obvious question: When should secondaries be returned?

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 10:22:54 PM)
Generally, schools give a 3 week "deadline" for you to respond with a secondary; occasionally there are crises e.g. putting money in the bank to cover checks, etc., but getting those secondaries in ASAP — certainly within their 3-week deadline is important

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 10:23:31 PM)
Any questions on timing?

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 10:24:13 PM)
OK. Let's move on.

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 10:24:27 PM)
Mistake 2 — Assuming that "all is well" if you have not heard anything from AMCAS or a school.

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 10:24:43 PM)
If "no news is good news" doesn't hold for med school admissions, when should an applicant follow up and find out what is happening with their application? If the AMCAS application is AWOL, whom should they contact?

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 10:25:11 PM)
If the application is submitted electronically — the way I advise submitting, by the way — then you should hear by email within 1-2 days;

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 10:25:30 PM)
If you don't hear, call or email.

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 10:25:56 PM)
If the application is submitted by paper, then you should hear within 2-3 weeks.

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 10:26:15 PM)
Call if you do not hear ... something may be lost or incorrect. It is YOUR responsibility to correct it.

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 10:26:21 PM)
Here is an interesting example:

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 10:26:39 PM)
I am working with a student who is in China for the next two months.

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 10:26:48 PM)
She submitted a paper AMCAS

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 10:27:11 PM)
And, her parents just got back a paper letter saying there were errors on the designation page —

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 10:27:25 PM)
So is she able to handle it from China?

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 10:27:47 PM)
Parents are in control with my assistance at this point

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 10:27:54 PM)
Is AAMC considering Web-based submission?

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 10:28:09 PM)
Good question.

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 10:28:35 PM)
I attend the National Advisors meeting next week and will let you know — the answer is yes — but WHEN is the question.

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 10:28:57 PM)
Please do. How quickly should receipt of a secondary application be acknowledged?

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 10:29:34 PM)
Generally, since this comes from individual medical schools, it takes 3-6 weeks — and that can be mighty nerve-wracking for applicants.

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 10:29:59 PM)
But again, if they don't hear anything after a month, the applicants should follow up, right?

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 10:30:33 PM)
Actually, I advise to call after 2 weeks. Some med schools have email notices now, but many still do not.

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 10:30:48 PM)
Any questions from our visitors on follow up?

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 10:31:15 PM)
Let's move on to mistake #3: Assuming that the verbal reasoning part of the MCAT doesn't have anything to do with science, so it isn't important.

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 10:31:28 PM)
Well this mistake raises lots of interesting questions. Are parts of the MCAT more important than others? Which ones? Why? If someone blew the VR part of the MCAT, would A's in English classes impress the admissions committees or must the applicant retake the exam? Is there something else this applicant can do to make up for her error?

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 10:31:58 PM)
Different schools view the MCAT with their own specific screening

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 10:32:02 PM)
This is also a particularly timely point, because one of our guests mentioned earlier that his VR score was disappointing.

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 10:32:11 PM)
Yes, some schools include the essay as important and others do not.

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 10:32:31 PM)
Could you give a few examples of schools that consider the VR very important or consider it less important?

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 10:32:32 PM)
The VR section is considered important as an indicator of how well students do in the clinical years.

raindodger (ID=21) (Jun 20, 2000 10:32:33 PM)

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 10:32:45 PM)
Go ahead raindodger.

raindodger (ID=21) (Jun 20, 2000 10:33:01 PM)
I realize that the VR score can predict the usmle part 1 score, but can published papers redeem somehow?

raindodger (ID=21) (Jun 20, 2000 10:33:11 PM)
or a P on the written?

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 10:33:28 PM)
Actually VR predicts USMLE part II — the clinical years.

raindodger (ID=21) (Jun 20, 2000 10:33:31 PM)

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 10:33:56 PM)
No — publishing research does not override the VR — but everything is relative, for example

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 10:34:09 PM)
Can other evidence of writing skill compensate for a low VR?

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 10:34:36 PM)
If one has 10's for sciences and P in the essay but 8 or 7 on VR — then you may have a reasonable chance with strong GPA and good English grades ...

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 10:34:51 PM)
Everyone is a package ... and scores from the VR cannot be considered JUST by themselves

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 10:35:13 PM)
raindodger, did Dr. Lewis answer your questions?

raindodger (ID=21) (Jun 20, 2000 10:35:27 PM)
yes, thx, :)

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 10:35:37 PM)
You are welcome!

raindodger (ID=21) (Jun 20, 2000 10:35:37 PM)
*wipes forehead*

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 10:35:51 PM)
Any other questions on the importance of VR?

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 10:36:15 PM)
Mistake 4: Assuming that you have enough funds to complete the process but running out in the middle of secondary applications?

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 10:36:24 PM)
I have a few questions about this mistake.

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 10:36:36 PM)
1. Not counting interview expenses, how much should applicants budget for the admissions process?

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 10:36:44 PM)
2. Any guidelines for interview expenses?

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 10:37:01 PM)
3. Any suggestions on keeping application costs down?

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 10:37:05 PM)
About $1,500.00 - 2,000.00 for most typical applicants who submit 20-25 applications

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 10:37:28 PM)
Interview expenses: If you plan to take at least one cross country trip,

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 10:37:38 PM)
it will cost about $1,000.00 ...

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 10:38:11 PM)
less if you are in a state where your credentials match the med schools selection criteria well, and more if you submit a larger number of applications

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 10:38:42 PM)
Any money-saving ideas?

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 10:38:50 PM)

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 10:39:13 PM)
You can stay with medical students to cut costs (and learn the "inside scoop" about the school.

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 10:39:22 PM)
That's a good one.

raindodger (ID=21) (Jun 20, 2000 10:39:23 PM)

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 10:39:31 PM)
Yes, raindodger.

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 10:39:39 PM)
Many students charge their trips to American Express — you get 3 airlines tickets at low cost, I believe for opening an account.

raindodger (ID=21) (Jun 20, 2000 10:39:39 PM)
Isn't that a given? since it would look bad to be a loner. ??

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 10:40:22 PM)
Hmm ... it is just offered at some schools — but you should ask at every school and they will generally provide you names of students.

raindodger (ID=21) (Jun 20, 2000 10:40:33 PM)

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 10:40:55 PM)
My students who do this always feel more at home;

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 10:41:09 PM)
Any other money-saving ideas or questions, or should we move on?

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 10:41:11 PM)
They feel as though they already have an orientation to the school and its programs.

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 10:41:49 PM)
I suggest you try to schedule multiple trips together e.g. from California to PA and NY in one trip

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 10:42:43 PM)
OK. Thanks. I am going to go on, but if there is more, we would love to here it. Mistake 5: Assuming that people who said they would write letters on your behalf intend to send them in the next month.

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 10:42:57 PM)
How do you suggest applicants follow up with recommenders? Can you help them walk the line between blind faith in their recommenders and being a pest?

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 10:43:47 PM)
Yes, first provide written information about you: AMCAS essay or entire application, an autobiography, schedule an interview with them to tell them more about yourself.

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 10:44:11 PM)
And let them ask questions, then give them a deadline for submission of their letter ... this is the starting point.

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 10:44:22 PM)
What kind of follow up do you recommend?

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 10:44:32 PM)
And check with them by THAT deadline to verify they remembered to submit the letter.

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 10:44:53 PM)
Any hints on how to gently nudge a busy professor?

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 10:44:54 PM)
If they did not, ask if they need any additional information from you and remind them that this deadline affects your application.

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 10:45:19 PM)
Yes — always ask if they need any help ... remember, this is a favor you are asking of them.

raindodger (ID=21) (Jun 20, 2000 10:45:25 PM)

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 10:45:30 PM)

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 10:45:33 PM)
And always send a short thank you to them upon their letter being submitted for you.

raindodger (ID=21) (Jun 20, 2000 10:45:34 PM)
How should we nudge them, email, phone, in person?

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 10:45:57 PM)
Nudging depends on personality.

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 10:46:15 PM)
If you know the professor from research and talk to them daily, ask in person.

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 10:46:40 PM)
If you had the person for a class 2 years ago, email may be the best — if they read email!

raindodger (ID=21) (Jun 20, 2000 10:47:15 PM)
Phone's too intrusive if the class was taken 2 yrs ago, no?

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 10:47:33 PM)
You have to read the personality and way that this professor communicates — and during the summer it becomes problematic when professors are "away"

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 10:47:39 PM)
Do you advise applicants to ask the potential recommenders if they are comfortable writing a strong, positive letter of rec?

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 10:47:54 PM)
I guess the best means is the one you think the recommender prefers.

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 10:48:20 PM)
Yes — exactly, Linda. You want to ask, "Would you feel comfortable writing a supportive letter for me?"

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 10:48:39 PM)
Any questions?

snitzle (ID=31) (Jun 20, 2000 10:48:50 PM)

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 10:48:58 PM)

snitzle (ID=31) (Jun 20, 2000 10:49:25 PM)
How closely should you follow schools' specific guidelines for letters; i.e. 2 from science, 1 from non-science, etc.?

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 10:50:31 PM)
I always advise that you include what they ask for ... however, if you have 2 science faculty, 1 humanities, 1 clincal and one from a work supervisor (if you worked for more than 6 months) and research and leadership ...

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 10:50:44 PM)
then I would send them all, even if they just ask for 3 letters

raindodger (ID=21) (Jun 20, 2000 10:51:00 PM)

snitzle (ID=31) (Jun 20, 2000 10:51:01 PM)
? If I only have four letters, and say they don't exactly match a school's guidelines, should I not send a secondary?

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 10:51:13 PM)
Yes raindodger.

raindodger (ID=21) (Jun 20, 2000 10:51:31 PM)

raindodger (ID=21) (Jun 20, 2000 10:51:47 PM)
Is it safe to send a letter from an alum from the school you're applying to?

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 10:52:10 PM)
Hmm ... if this school is an important one to you ... I would scramble and locate that extra letter — even better is to have all your letters lined up IN ADVANCE!

raindodger (ID=21) (Jun 20, 2000 10:52:17 PM)

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 10:52:37 PM)
Dr. Lewis, did you see Snitzle's question?

raindodger (ID=21) (Jun 20, 2000 10:52:48 PM)
I'll be right back. I cant' read the window :/

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 10:53:06 PM)
It was: If I only have 4 letters, and they don't exactly match a school's guidelines, should I not send a secondary?

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 10:53:11 PM)
Alumni letters — if the alumni knows you well — e.g. as a faculty, or researcher ... not just a family friend or even family, which are not taken seriously usually — then the answer is YES.

raindodger (ID=33) (Jun 20, 2000 10:53:16 PM)
(This user has entered Medical School Admissions)

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 10:53:32 PM)
Hi again! Can you see now?

raindodger (ID=33) (Jun 20, 2000 10:53:35 PM)

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 10:54:31 PM)
Did I miss a question?

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 10:54:51 PM)
Raindodger, Dr. Lewis answered your question as follows: If the alumni knows you well as faculty or as a researcher and not just as a friend of the family, the the answer to your question about alumni recs is YES.

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 10:55:06 PM)
Snitzle, could you repeat your question?

raindodger (ID=33) (Jun 20, 2000 10:55:13 PM)

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 10:55:24 PM)
You are welcome.

snitzle (ID=31) (Jun 20, 2000 10:55:41 PM)
Sure ... If I only have four letters, and they aren't EXACTLY what the school is asking for, should I not send a secondary back?

scubapnu (ID=34) (Jun 20, 2000 10:56:21 PM)
(This user has entered Medical School Admissions)

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 10:56:22 PM)
I would submit the secondary, but for example NY Med requires a humanities faculty letter. If you don't have one, they will not complete processing your application.

snitzle (ID=31) (Jun 20, 2000 10:56:53 PM)
Thank you!

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 10:56:54 PM)
Last year I had an applicant who successful scrambled, got a letter to fill that need, interviewed and is waitlisted.

raindodger (ID=33) (Jun 20, 2000 10:57:03 PM)

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 10:57:13 PM)
Yes, raindodger.

raindodger (ID=33) (Jun 20, 2000 10:57:36 PM)
What if I asked a prof for a letter around late May, asked him if he could have it by June 17th, for Columbia, but he hasn't completed it yet?

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 10:57:53 PM)
sounds like some faculty I know!

raindodger (ID=33) (Jun 20, 2000 10:57:57 PM)
But now I'm thinking that I'm not going to apply to Columbia, but to other schools ... should I still nudge him?

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 10:58:03 PM)
Sounds like a common problem.

raindodger (ID=33) (Jun 20, 2000 10:58:16 PM)
Even though the letter wont be necessary till around September?

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 10:58:40 PM)
If you need his letter for all your schools — yes, nudge ... and many faculty simply forget — it is as simple as that!

raindodger (ID=33) (Jun 20, 2000 10:58:56 PM)
OK, I figured he'd forget, I was really paranoid last night.

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 10:59:10 PM)
Any other questions for Dr. Lewis?

snitzle (ID=31) (Jun 20, 2000 10:59:16 PM)

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 10:59:16 PM)
Don't get paranoid ... just become the consummate communicator!

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 10:59:24 PM)
Go ahead Snitzle.

snitzle (ID=31) (Jun 20, 2000 11:00:23 PM)
I am applying to osteopathic schools, and need a D.O. letter, but do not know any. How can I go about requesting a letter from a D.O. I've just met. How much time should we spend together before it's appropriate to ask?

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 11:00:53 PM)
OK — of course, it is best to have gotten this way in advance, but assuming you are applying this year,

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 11:01:33 PM)
I can give you the phone number of the American Osteopathic Association and there are D.O. websites listing names, and I have a network that I can refer to. What state are you in?

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 11:01:45 PM)
I also want to add that the best letters of recommendation are the ones that refer to specific experiences with the applicant. General ones lacking in detail can damn through faint praise.

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 11:02:09 PM)
Try to get to know, either through shadowing or volunteering, some D.O's.

snitzle (ID=31) (Jun 20, 2000 11:02:12 PM)
CA ... I have one lined up to meet, but I was just a little hesitant about asking right away.

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 11:02:28 PM)
Yes, what I mean is that you need to meet with and actually shadow the D.O. for some time before the letter can be written.

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 11:02:42 PM)
Will you be volunteering for this D.O?

snitzle (ID=31) (Jun 20, 2000 11:02:57 PM)
I'm sure I can arrange something like that.

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 11:03:01 PM)
If you want to email me directly, I can probably provide you some specific advice on this individually since I am from CA.

snitzle (ID=31) (Jun 20, 2000 11:03:18 PM)
Thank you very much... I will!!!!

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 11:03:32 PM)
You are welcome.

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 11:03:53 PM)
You may also want to look at our tips for letters of recommendation. It's in the medical section of the Web site.

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 11:04:01 PM)
Any other questions?

raindodger (ID=33) (Jun 20, 2000 11:04:16 PM)
Any suggestions for minorities, other than 'submit your stuff early'?

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 11:04:56 PM)
Yes, make certain that you mark you ethnicity and disadvantaged status if that is correct. And, if you work with under-served communities,

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 11:05:14 PM)
make certain that you discuss this in your essay and why you wish to do so as a doctor.

raindodger (ID=33) (Jun 20, 2000 11:05:21 PM)
So, if we served as Spanish translator in a hospital while volunteering, would that be equivalent to what you just stated?

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 11:06:10 PM)
If you do patient translations, for example Spanish for Mexican Americans or or Hispanic people, you are working with an underserved community, es.

raindodger (ID=33) (Jun 20, 2000 11:06:16 PM)

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 11:06:22 PM)
Any other questions?

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 11:06:43 PM)
Thank you again to everyone for participating this evening. Special thanks to Dr. Cindy Lewis for her invaluable insights.

raindodger (ID=33) (Jun 20, 2000 11:06:50 PM)
Thank you very much.

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 11:06:56 PM)
You're welcome.

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 11:06:58 PM)
I would like to announce our next pre-med chat, The Definitive Chat on Medical School Admissions with Dr. Mark Goldstein, author of the Definitive Guide to Medical School Admissions. Dr. Goldstein is also the pre-med advisor at MIT and on the faculty at Harvard Medical School. The chat will take place next Tuesday, June 27, at 7:00 PM PST US (8:00 PM Mountain Time; 9:00 PM Central Time; 10:00 PM EST) Please note that next week's chat is one hour earlier than this evening's event.

snitzle (ID=31) (Jun 20, 2000 11:06:59 PM)
Thank you!!!!!

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 11:07:04 PM)
Thank you for chatting — visit our website!

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 11:07:07 PM)
Finally, I would also really appreciate feedback from all of you on tonight's chat. Please send your comments, criticisms, and suggestions for future chats to

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 11:07:29 PM)
Have a very good evening! Good luck with your applications!

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 11:07:54 PM)
Good luck with applications this year and email for help if you wish.

dr. lewis (ID=32) (Jun 20, 2000 11:08:16 PM)

Linda Abraham (ID=26) (Jun 20, 2000 11:20:15 PM)
Good night.