MBA: Wait-List Chat — April 30, 2001


MBA: Wait-List Chat — April 30, 2001

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Chat Transcript:

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:05:56 PM)
First I want to welcome you all to Accepted.com's waitlist chat.

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:06:04 PM)
Thanks to everyone for joining. Special thanks to Cindy Tokumitsu, an Accepted.com editor, who will be helping me out this evening.

Boston (ID=18) (Apr 30, 2001 10:06:14 PM)
Thanks Cindy.

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:06:17 PM)
And to Sonia Michaels, also an Accepted.com editor who is joining us tonight.

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:06:26 PM)
I encourage dialogue and discussion, but we would like to suggest a structure to make it easier to follow the threads of conversation. So here is the protocol:

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:06:34 PM)
If you would like to ask a question, please type a "?" and then your question. One of us, or another guest, will reply. If one of you wants to comment on the current topic, please jump right in. If you want to start a different topic, please type "?."

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:06:48 PM)
At the end of a brief presentation I will open the floor to your questions about responses to wait-list letters or general questions on writing for acceptance.

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:06:58 PM)
OK, let's get started.

Beth (ID=21) (Apr 30, 2001 10:07:01 PM)
I received a wait-list notice to law school that requested that I inform them of my continuing interest. It also says that I may provide in writing any additional information that may be of assistance. I am told that there is no rankings and they asked that I not call. Any questions?

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:07:32 PM)
Beth, can you save your question for a few minutes. Let's get back to it.

Beth (ID=21) (Apr 30, 2001 10:07:47 PM)
Sorry.

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:07:50 PM)
First of all realize that the letter means you qualified for admission. You passed. You are probably on the wait-list (and not admitted) because they have already admitted applicants with your profile and want diversity in the class. Or they found your qualifications impressive, but found someone else's even more so.

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:07:55 PM)
Beth, no problem.

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:08:06 PM)
Second, read the letter for any hints of deficiency in your profile. If the school encourages contact, do so as I will outline in a moment.

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:08:22 PM)
Third and most important if the school encourages contact, give them more reasons to admit you and demonstrate your serious interest in the program. This implies developing a sales campaign or schedule of contact. The exact particulars may vary depending on your school and specialty, but here are suggested components:

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:08:32 PM)
1) Regular updates from you informing the school of new achievements, initiatives, and developments in your life. These should consist of concise 1-2 page letters that provide the schools with additional reasons to admit you and reinforce the idea of a fit between you and the school.

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:08:40 PM)
2) Additional letter(s) of recommendation.

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:08:48 PM)
3) Visit the school if possible and offer to meet with adcom members if appropriate for your school and field.

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:08:56 PM)
4) Ask if there is anything you can do to improve your candidacy. (There usually isn't, but if there is you want to know about it and do it.)

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:09:23 PM)
For tips on the letter's content, please see the essay tip in this month's Odds 'N Ends. BTW, that URL will be posted repeatedly during the chat, along with URLs of last year's wait-list chat transcripts. And Beth, we can also address your question now.

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:09:34 PM)
I would now like to open the floor to questions. You can ask your questions about responding to a wait list letter or other aspects of writing and graduate admissions. Just please indicate the type of program you are applying to since this is a multi-specialty chat.

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:10:19 PM)
Beth, let's start with your question.

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:10:40 PM)
I think you should respond with a letter that provides them with information about what you have been doing since you applied.

Beth (ID=21) (Apr 30, 2001 10:10:54 PM)
My wait list letter requested an indication of continued interest and any supplemental information that might enhance their understanding of me. It did not invite two way communications.

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:11:08 PM)
Focus on achievements, leadership experiences, initiatives, and anything else that would add to your candidacy.

Adrianna (ID=13) (Apr 30, 2001 10:11:23 PM)
? What do you recommend for people that have been wait-listed two years in a row to the same business school? Can a 610 GMAT be the actual cause, after 4 years of progressive experience as a consultant and later as an agroindustry entrepreneur?

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:11:31 PM)
Then provide them with what they asked for.

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:12:16 PM)
Adrianna, yes a 610 could definitely be the problem.

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:12:49 PM)
Beth, I am so suggesting 2-way communication. A letter from you to them is what I am recommending.

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:13:20 PM)
Your friend should consider preparing for and retaking the GMAT. Then if his score increases, he should immediately inform the schools.

Beth (ID=21) (Apr 30, 2001 10:13:22 PM)
They said there are no rankings and they provided no time parameters, saying it could take through August. Are there ways to penetrate that process?

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:13:39 PM)
Beth, I would immediately send the letter that they requested.

SYL (ID=22) (Apr 30, 2001 10:13:59 PM)
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Beth (ID=21) (Apr 30, 2001 10:14:00 PM)
And then simply wait?

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:14:01 PM)
I would also see if you can submit an additional letter of recommendation. If so, then do it.

cindy tokumitsu (ID=19) (Apr 30, 2001 10:14:32 PM)
Beth, you can continue to update the school every 4-6 weeks.

Adrianna (ID=13) (Apr 30, 2001 10:14:33 PM)
? Even if the person in question graduated with honors from engineering school ?

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:14:40 PM)
IN six weeks or so, assuming something good has happened, like good grades or honors associated with graduation, send them 1-page update again.

Beth (ID=21) (Apr 30, 2001 10:15:11 PM)
The wait list letter requests that wait list candidates not call. Is that standard for most schools?

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:15:14 PM)
Every 4-6 weeks, try to send them something. Other than that, yes you have to wait.

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:15:32 PM)
Yes, it is quite common. Do they give you an e-mail address for inquiries?

Beth (ID=21) (Apr 30, 2001 10:15:37 PM)
No

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:16:09 PM)
Also, if you approach a date where you simply must have an answer, then a couple of weeks before that, I would respectfully let them know of your circumstances and the reasons why you need an answer.

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:16:34 PM)
Obviously, the risk is that at that point in time the answer will be "no," so I wouldn't pull that unless you absolutely need to know.

Beth (ID=21) (Apr 30, 2001 10:16:48 PM)
I am working full time and could not apply until the last moment. Should that be addressed in the letter?

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:17:17 PM)
Adrianna, the GMAT is important and a 610 can cause problems to someone applying to a competitive school with an average accepted GMAT close to 700.

Boston (ID=18) (Apr 30, 2001 10:17:24 PM)
?MBA - I'm waitlisted at Sloan. I've heard that they very much focus on quantitative factors (e.g. GPA). My UG GPA was a bit on the low side (3.3). I took two grad level courses a few years ago and had a 4.0 in each. I did not send the transcript with my initial app. Do you think it would be worthwhile to send them the transcript now even if it's only for 2 classes?

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:18:52 PM)
I have talked to Rod Garcia. A 3.3 won't keep you out of Sloan, especially if it was from a good school or in a demanding field.

Beth (ID=21) (Apr 30, 2001 10:19:08 PM)
I don't want a late application to be confused with a lack of interest, as I was unable to apply to any law schools until the last minute. Given rolling admissions, perhaps that contributed to my being wait listed?

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:19:28 PM)
With that said, submitting the additional transcript can only help., Boston.

Boston (ID=18) (Apr 30, 2001 10:19:40 PM)
Thanks :-)

SYL (ID=22) (Apr 30, 2001 10:19:48 PM)
Is anyone on this list waitlisted at Haas (b-school?)

Adrianna (ID=13) (Apr 30, 2001 10:20:06 PM)
No

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:20:14 PM)
Beth, the late submission could have contributed to the wait list, but you don't want your wait list letter to focus on your late submission. You want it to sell your qualifications.

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:20:28 PM)
SYL, do you have a specific question about Haas or being wait-listed?

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:20:36 PM)
You're welcome Boston.

SYL (ID=22) (Apr 30, 2001 10:21:51 PM)
I've done the recommended things — writing a letter detailing my career progression, getting the CEO of my company to write an additional recommendation letter, sending in the grade for an additional calculus class I just took...

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:22:42 PM)
Good! You're doing the right things SYL.

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:22:47 PM)
Have you visited Haas again?

SYL (ID=22) (Apr 30, 2001 10:22:52 PM)
However, I am from a typical dot-com which has had two high-profile rounds of lay-offs (I was retained) and I'm not sure if Haas will take me as just another typical "back to b-school" applicant.

SYL (ID=22) (Apr 30, 2001 10:23:24 PM)
I've never interviewed nor visited Haas. But I am planning on doing so in mid-may (two weeks after submitting the recommendation letter from my CEO.

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:23:52 PM)
Then your challenge is to differentiate yourself from the typical dot bomb applicant.

John (ID=20) (Apr 30, 2001 10:23:59 PM)
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Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:24:00 PM)
I think a visit will help.

SYL (ID=22) (Apr 30, 2001 10:24:25 PM)
Linda — any tips on differentiating myself?

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:24:34 PM)
Have you gotten involved in anything new outside of work?

stacey (ID=23) (Apr 30, 2001 10:24:36 PM)
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SYL (ID=22) (Apr 30, 2001 10:24:39 PM)
also, do you think Berkeley will be more receptive to dot-commers?

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:24:42 PM)
Have your goals evolved at all or changed?

SYL (ID=22) (Apr 30, 2001 10:25:16 PM)
In the letter that I faxed to haas, I actually reaffirmed my belief in the "entrepreneurial spirit" and in the Internet industry...

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:25:26 PM)
Haas is very receptive to dot-commers as long as they aren't coming to b-schools as shell-shocked refugees and have goals that Haas supports.

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:25:32 PM)
Good.

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:25:52 PM)
SYL, what do you want to do post-MBA?

Adrianna (ID=13) (Apr 30, 2001 10:25:52 PM)
? What do you read into Michigan waitlisting the same candidate with a low 600 GMAT score. Why would they waitlist an individual again, if the GMAT is still in the low 600's. I hardly think they can get another industrial engineer from Mexico in the agroindustry in Northern Mexico

SYL (ID=22) (Apr 30, 2001 10:25:58 PM)
and yes, I did mention the completion of a benefit that I've been involved in for the past nine months...

Boston (ID=18) (Apr 30, 2001 10:26:04 PM)
? MBA – I was waitlisted without an interview. When I called to schedule an interview the admissions office at Sloan said that they weren't yet scheduling interviews for waitlists because they weren't done with the possible accepts. This seems strange to me. Any insights?

SYL (ID=22) (Apr 30, 2001 10:26:30 PM)
I've always wanted to stay in marketing at an emerging industry, as I am now... but at a higher level of course!

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:26:33 PM)
SYL, what was that? Berkeley is very into community service.

stacey (ID=23) (Apr 30, 2001 10:26:33 PM)
?I have a question about med school waitlists

SYL (ID=22) (Apr 30, 2001 10:26:40 PM)
and that has not changed...

SYL (ID=22) (Apr 30, 2001 10:26:49 PM)
it's a breast-cancer benefit walk.

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:26:57 PM)
Sounds good to me.

SYL (ID=22) (Apr 30, 2001 10:27:00 PM)
: )

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:27:17 PM)
It seems, SYL, that you are doing the right things. Keep doing them, and hopefully you'll hear good news.

SYL (ID=22) (Apr 30, 2001 10:27:26 PM)
thanks linda!

stacey (ID=23) (Apr 30, 2001 10:27:45 PM)
?should you let a school you are on a waitlist know that you already have multiple acceptances but would like to attend their school?

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:28:31 PM)
I suspect Adrianna, that the school likes what your friend could bring to the school in terms of his experience (industry and int'l), but they are concerned about his GMAT so he doesn't quite get in. Has he taken the test more than once?

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:29:13 PM)
Boston, that is a little strange to me too, but I don't have any insight. Cindy, do you?

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:29:35 PM)
Stacey, which schools were you accepted at and where were you waitlisted?

Adrianna (ID=13) (Apr 30, 2001 10:30:12 PM)
Yes but the maximum score to date is 610. By the way, you can only access live GMAT preparation courses in Mexico City and Monterrey and those that are from other cities really have to scrape their means for guided preparation as in the case here.

stacey (ID=23) (Apr 30, 2001 10:30:17 PM)
I was accepted at NYMC and Howard, but I am waitlisted at Pitt, which happens to be my first choice.

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:31:01 PM)
Yes, but also tell them exactly why Pitt is your first choice and say you will attend if accepted.

cindy tokumitsu (ID=19) (Apr 30, 2001 10:31:08 PM)
Boston, I think they just want to wrap up the first cycle of admits. I don't have any special insight beyond that on the interviews; I do know that they will interview wait-listed applicants well into the summer; at least they did last year.

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:32:09 PM)
Any other questions?

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:32:15 PM)
Did I miss any above?

stacey (ID=23) (Apr 30, 2001 10:32:33 PM)
?So then it would not be detrimental to my being accepted? I just want to make sure I don't come off as bragging and lose a spot, at the same time, I don't want to appear desperate.

Boston (ID=18) (Apr 30, 2001 10:32:48 PM)
? How many folks do they usually keep on the waitlist at Sloan? They said 100, but I'm a bit suspicious.

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:33:28 PM)
Obviously, you have to write the letter in a respectful and professional tone. Express appreciation for Pitt's continued consideration of your application and say that Pitt is really your first choice.

cindy tokumitsu (ID=19) (Apr 30, 2001 10:33:56 PM)
Boston, it changes year to year, depending on various factors. I'm not sure what the numbers are this year.

SoniaM (ID=14) (Apr 30, 2001 10:33:59 PM)
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SYL (ID=22) (Apr 30, 2001 10:34:09 PM)
Linda, would you say this year would be tough to get off the b-school wait-list because so many people are trying to take refuge in business school?

Boston (ID=18) (Apr 30, 2001 10:34:16 PM)
Thanks Cindy.

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:34:18 PM)
Boston, I don't know the answer to that either. (You're asking me tough ones.) But the key for you is making the most of your qualifications. Not worrying about the other applicants.

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:34:28 PM)
You can't do anything about them.

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:34:59 PM)
SYL, I do think this has been an unusually tough year. Cindy do you agree?

SYL (ID=22) (Apr 30, 2001 10:35:04 PM)
I suppose the only openings would be from the people who were lucky enough to get into multiple schools!

stacey (ID=23) (Apr 30, 2001 10:35:10 PM)
? I also got a scholarship into one of the other schools. should I mention that as well?

cindy tokumitsu (ID=19) (Apr 30, 2001 10:35:11 PM)
Absolutely.

Boston (ID=18) (Apr 30, 2001 10:35:13 PM)
Gotcha. Thanks Linda.

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:35:23 PM)
SYL, that's how most people get in off the wait list.

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:35:40 PM)
And that is not different from previous years.

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:36:10 PM)
Occasionally, someone's plans will change and they will reject a school to continue working or for personal reasons, but that is not too common after the investment required to apply.

SoniaM (ID=24) (Apr 30, 2001 10:36:25 PM)
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SYL (ID=22) (Apr 30, 2001 10:36:34 PM)
true, true...you asked me if my goals have changed at all in the past few months... should I indicate how the economy has changed my perspective?

TL (ID=25) (Apr 30, 2001 10:36:37 PM)
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SYL (ID=22) (Apr 30, 2001 10:36:52 PM)
or should I stick to the goals and aspirations that I've indicated in my application?

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:36:59 PM)
SYL, show how your experiences have refined your goals.

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:37:12 PM)
I don't think it would be constructive for you to now come up with a whole new set of goals.

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:37:17 PM)
You might appear flighty.

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:37:42 PM)
Also, you don't want to whine about your experience of the last six months; you grew as a result and have learned a lot, etc.

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:37:58 PM)
Why is it that the most miserable experiences are also the most educational?

SYL (ID=22) (Apr 30, 2001 10:38:11 PM)
like, how the dot bombs has not changed my faith in the industry.....

nikolay (ID=16) (Apr 30, 2001 10:38:20 PM)
mine neither

SYL (ID=22) (Apr 30, 2001 10:38:39 PM)
but instead taught me to be tenacious/prudent/etc.


Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:39:04 PM)
No clichs please. Perhaps how the bombs have shown you that business needs more than a good idea and certainly more than a bad one. It needs people you can evaluate, plan, and execute.

Beth (ID=21) (Apr 30, 2001 10:39:10 PM)
Does the content of the wait-list follow-up letter typically have much influence on one getting picked off the wait list?

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:39:11 PM)
That would tie into b-schools.

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:39:19 PM)
I presume you also saw that!?

Boston (ID=18) (Apr 30, 2001 10:41:11 PM)
? MBA - I consider community service to have been a weak area on my application. How much do schools like Sloan focus on community service. If I don't get off the wait-list this year, are there any specific things I could do that would help me in this area?

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:41:11 PM)
We have seen wait-list letter be very effective. I know that they are read and can have impact. First of all they show commitment and initiative.

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:41:11 PM)
Those are qualities that law schools – all schools – like to see.

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:41:11 PM)
SYL, also, talk about how your experiences taught you whatever lessons you can draw; don't talk about the economy, or dot-bombs, or generalities.

SYL (ID=22) (Apr 30, 2001 10:41:12 PM)
of course : )

Beth (ID=21) (Apr 30, 2001 10:41:13 PM)
If there are no new activities, classes, promotions, etc. since the January application, do you nevertheless recommend that the letter be written to discuss other matters such as the "good fit" with the school?

SoniaM (ID=24) (Apr 30, 2001 10:41:13 PM)
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cindy tokumitsu (ID=19) (Apr 30, 2001 10:41:13 PM)
Beth, that depends on what they're looking for in the wait-list. On the other hand, you can only help yourself by setting yourself apart from the competition through a compelling letter.

SoniaM (ID=26) (Apr 30, 2001 10:41:44 PM)
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Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:42:04 PM)
Beth, yes, but don't have the letter rehash your personal statement. It should add value and information to your application.

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:42:30 PM)
Beth are you sure there is NOTHING new?

TL (ID=25) (Apr 30, 2001 10:42:37 PM)
Same here, Boston. I believe mine is because of community service

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:42:59 PM)
Oops, Boston, almost missed that.

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:43:16 PM)
Yes, community service is something that Sloan and most other MBA programs look at.

TL (ID=25) (Apr 30, 2001 10:43:32 PM)
? What can we do in such a short time

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:43:37 PM)
And yes, there is something you can do before the next application season: volunteer.

Boston (ID=18) (Apr 30, 2001 10:43:45 PM)
:-)

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:43:50 PM)
You don't need to organize a fundraiser, though that wouldn't hurt.

TL (ID=25) (Apr 30, 2001 10:43:54 PM)
I have some voluntary experience, but not a whole lot

Boston (ID=18) (Apr 30, 2001 10:43:56 PM)
Any types of volunteer activities that stand out more?

cindy tokumitsu (ID=19) (Apr 30, 2001 10:43:59 PM)
Beth, look beyond the obvious. Was there an aspect of a recent or current project that's particularly challenging? That's stretching your skills/abilities in a certain way? Such things are fine to discuss; they show you're resourceful and thoughtful.

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:44:12 PM)
You can assume a regular responsibility such as Big Brothers/Sister.

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:44:40 PM)
Working in a literacy program , volunteering for Make-a-Wish, in an AIDS Hospice, working with the homeless.

Boston (ID=18) (Apr 30, 2001 10:44:55 PM)
Thanks.

TL (ID=25) (Apr 30, 2001 10:44:56 PM)
I travel too much, moving from one city to another, and most of the time I'm very busy. It's difficult to engage in voluntary services

cindy tokumitsu (ID=19) (Apr 30, 2001 10:45:03 PM)
It's also fine to discuss "good fit" as long as you don't repeat information from your essays. If you have some new insights about the school's value to you, it's good to explain it.

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:45:14 PM)
Could you take on responsibility, TL, in a professional organization?

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:45:59 PM)
If you really can't do any volunteer work now, because you travel too much, then you will have to make the most of what you did in college or before you started traveling.

TL (ID=25) (Apr 30, 2001 10:46:08 PM)
That's a little tough too, but I guess I'll have to come up with something

stacey (ID=23) (Apr 30, 2001 10:46:13 PM)
?how long should the letter be? Can I mention what other schools are offering me?

TL (ID=25) (Apr 30, 2001 10:46:15 PM)
Not enough in college too ;-)

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:46:25 PM)
I forgive you. :-)

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:46:36 PM)
Keep in mind that community service is a broad term.

drive (ID=27) (Apr 30, 2001 10:46:55 PM)
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Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:47:09 PM)
It can be involvement in a church, on a sports team. It really means making a commitment to something other than routine family responsibilities and work.

Adrianna (ID=13) (Apr 30, 2001 10:47:27 PM)
? The professional progress I have seen in the Michigan applicant in the past 6 months is remarkable. This individual has the power to change the mindset of a large national company at the tender age of 26. At this point, I believe that only one more additional compelling letter can help as his time has paid quite a bit invested in his career rather than leaving his hometown for a formal GMAT prep course. What do you think?

nikolay (ID=16) (Apr 30, 2001 10:48:06 PM)
?is involvement with politics in another country considered community service?

TL (ID=25) (Apr 30, 2001 10:48:19 PM)
? Sorry for joining in late, and perhaps this may have been answered. How many letters should I send to the schools, and how much should I bug them?

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:48:48 PM)
A letter from a supervisor or colleague attesting to his leadership potential can only help. No down side to it, Adrianna.

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:49:06 PM)
If he has the leadership skills that you point out, let them know about it.

cindy tokumitsu (ID=19) (Apr 30, 2001 10:49:10 PM)
TL — send a letter every 4-6 weeks or so.

SYL (ID=22) (Apr 30, 2001 10:49:38 PM)
Is it true that a waitlisted applicant could get notice about getting in as late as two days before the start of classes??

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:49:40 PM)
Nikolay, yes. Politics is another form of community service – or at least it's supposed to be ;-)

Adrianna (ID=13) (Apr 30, 2001 10:49:44 PM)
Thanks for your time !

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:50:12 PM)
SYL, yes that's true. Sorry.

Adrianna (ID=13) (Apr 30, 2001 10:50:26 PM)
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Boston (ID=18) (Apr 30, 2001 10:51:06 PM)
Thanks for all the help!

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:51:11 PM)
You're welcome.

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:51:15 PM)
Any other questions?

Boston (ID=18) (Apr 30, 2001 10:51:28 PM)
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drive (ID=27) (Apr 30, 2001 10:51:34 PM)
?Sorry for joining late. I have a question regarding waitlist review process: who will review the waitlist? Only the admission director or the whole committee?

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:51:47 PM)
That depends on the school.

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:51:51 PM)
It varies.

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:52:00 PM)
drive, where are you waitlisted?

drive (ID=27) (Apr 30, 2001 10:52:00 PM)
Say, Chicago GSB?

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:52:35 PM)
Have you sent them a wait-list letter?

drive (ID=27) (Apr 30, 2001 10:52:44 PM)
Yes, I have.

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:52:52 PM)
Letter of recommendation?

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:52:58 PM)
Have you visited again?

drive (ID=27) (Apr 30, 2001 10:53:02 PM)
Yes, I do.

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:53:18 PM)
Sounds like you are making the right moves.

drive (ID=27) (Apr 30, 2001 10:53:20 PM)
Yes, have done, though it is my first time visit.

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:53:39 PM)
OK. Have you offered to meet with an adcom member?

Beth (ID=21) (Apr 30, 2001 10:53:42 PM)
Should the letter of recommendation be of a different emphasis than those submitted with the application?

drive (ID=27) (Apr 30, 2001 10:53:54 PM)
? What do you mean when you say "a waitlist letter"?

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:54:34 PM)
Beth, that would depend a little on the letter informing you of your status, a little on any possible weaknesses in your profile.

drive (ID=27) (Apr 30, 2001 10:54:46 PM)
Well, yes or no. It is a kind of "hello-how are you-and goodbye" style. I did show my face to the adcom.

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:54:56 PM)
In general, I like letters of rec to comment positively on an area of possible perceived weakness without referring to the weakness.

stacey (ID=23) (Apr 30, 2001 10:55:12 PM)
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Beth (ID=21) (Apr 30, 2001 10:55:19 PM)
When a school says it has no wait-list rankings, how does it in fact [determine] who is taken off the list?

drive (ID=27) (Apr 30, 2001 10:55:30 PM)
But I did take the chance of info session to see other adcoms.

Beth (ID=21) (Apr 30, 2001 10:55:39 PM)
add missing word "determine"

TL (ID=25) (Apr 30, 2001 10:55:40 PM)
I visited a waitlisted school, but it was their busiest day and no one could entertain me. I called twice, e-mailed them and sent in a letter, but I guess those fell through the cracks. Not sure whether I'd been perceived as a nuisance...

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:55:55 PM)
drive, try calling your adcom contact and saying you will be at Chicago on this and this date. Would s/he like to meet with you to discuss any concerns?

TL (ID=25) (Apr 30, 2001 10:56:04 PM)
Any suggestions on how to follow-up?

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:56:20 PM)
Beth, they probably use the wait-list to round out their class.

Beth (ID=21) (Apr 30, 2001 10:56:45 PM)
How does that work?

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:56:53 PM)
TL, did you attend any classes or meet with students?

TL (ID=25) (Apr 30, 2001 10:57:05 PM)
Yes, I attended a class and talked to a few students

drive (ID=27) (Apr 30, 2001 10:57:52 PM)
? Linda, do you know the strategy of Chicago waitlist policy? Use it to increase the yield or what?

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:58:08 PM)
BEth, they want different perspectives and types of people in the class. If you are a science major and they have too many science majors, you would be less like to get off the list. If they want science majors, you are more likely to get off the list.

Beth (ID=21) (Apr 30, 2001 10:58:33 PM)
Does that apply to law schools too?

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:58:56 PM)
Then you can now send a letter thanking them if they made any arrangements on your behalf and saying how the visit confirmed your interest in that school, how you saw that that school will support your goals.

SYL (ID=22) (Apr 30, 2001 10:59:16 PM)
linda - I asked to interview with someone on the adcom committee at Haas and was told that they are busy, but that I might be able to interview with a student interviewer. Should I insist on meeting with someone in adcom?

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 10:59:18 PM)
Beth, does what apply to law schools?

drive (ID=27) (Apr 30, 2001 10:59:33 PM)
? Linda, how to explain that sometimes waitlistees can not only get off the list but also get the scholarship?

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 11:00:03 PM)
I don't really see how you can "insist". Make yourself available, but don't insist.

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 11:00:45 PM)
Drive, that's a good question. I suspect once your accepted, they don't want to have to go to the wait list again.

Beth (ID=21) (Apr 30, 2001 11:00:55 PM)
If a wait listed person is high LSAT and lower GPA, does that mean that I would be more likely to make it off the list if the school wants to show higher LSAT stats? Is that what you're saying?

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 11:00:57 PM)
If you can't afford the school, then they know you have to get help.

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 11:01:09 PM)
Beth, that's one factor. Yes.

Shlomo (ID=28) (Apr 30, 2001 11:01:10 PM)
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Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 11:01:32 PM)
Last question.

Shlomo (ID=28) (Apr 30, 2001 11:01:46 PM)
hi

nikolay (ID=16) (Apr 30, 2001 11:02:02 PM)
Linda, Alex Brown from Wharton said that they do not have diversity preference. Would you comment?

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 11:02:24 PM)
Alex Brown said that Wharton recruits for diversity but doesn't admit based on diversity.

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 11:02:38 PM)
I find that hard to believe.

Beth (ID=21) (Apr 30, 2001 11:02:52 PM)
If I am a legacy of a parent who has been a non-contributor to the school, would that have any value re the wait list?

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 11:03:13 PM)
I also spoke to a former adcom member who told me that at the top school where she worked, the school had a statistician ensuring diversity.

drive (ID=27) (Apr 30, 2001 11:03:16 PM)
? Linda, can you answer my previous question: the logic of getting waitlist and winning scholarship at the same time?

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 11:03:34 PM)
Beth, possibly.

cindy tokumitsu (ID=19) (Apr 30, 2001 11:03:44 PM)
Good night, all – and good luck. I have seen persistence pay off; keep up the good work!

TL (ID=25) (Apr 30, 2001 11:03:44 PM)
? Linda, also what else should I do to follow-up, since I've attended class and talked to students?

cindy tokumitsu (ID=19) (Apr 30, 2001 11:03:47 PM)
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Beth (ID=21) (Apr 30, 2001 11:03:58 PM)
How would one make mention of that in the wait list letter?

SYL (ID=22) (Apr 30, 2001 11:04:07 PM)
Thanks for your help linda... I've been reading your advice on the BW b-school board and you are great. Good night.

nikolay (ID=16) (Apr 30, 2001 11:04:16 PM)
thanks linda

nikolay (ID=16) (Apr 30, 2001 11:04:31 PM)
thanks sonia

TL (ID=25) (Apr 30, 2001 11:04:38 PM)
Thanks all

nikolay (ID=16) (Apr 30, 2001 11:04:38 PM)
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Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 11:04:43 PM)
I thought I addressed that above. If they admit someone off the wait-list, they really want that individual to come. If necessary, they will give $$$.

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 11:04:46 PM)
Thank you again all for participating this evening.

Shlomo (ID=28) (Apr 30, 2001 11:04:57 PM)
thank you for having me

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 11:05:02 PM)
I want to mention that Accepted.com's editors are available to advise on and edit wait-list letters. If you are interested, please visit our registration page.

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 11:05:09 PM)
Finally, I would really appreciate feedback from all of you on tonight's chat. Please send your comments, criticisms, and suggestions for future chats to chatfeedback@accepted.com.

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 11:05:18 PM)
Have a very good evening! Good luck with your applications!

Beth (ID=21) (Apr 30, 2001 11:05:40 PM)
Thanks.

SYL (ID=22) (Apr 30, 2001 11:05:43 PM)
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TL (ID=25) (Apr 30, 2001 11:05:48 PM)
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Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 11:05:48 PM)
You're welcome.

drive (ID=27) (Apr 30, 2001 11:05:49 PM)
Thanks for the great discussion. A nice evening!

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 11:05:55 PM)
You too.

Linda Abraham (ID=17) (Apr 30, 2001 11:06:01 PM)
Thanks for participating.