Haas Chat with Peter Johnson, Co-Director

Haas Chat with Peter Johnson, Co-Director
of Admissions and Jen Nelsen, Haas Second-Year Student

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Chat Transcript:

Linda Abraham (ID=27) (Oct 23, 2001 9:06:45 PM)
First I want to welcome you all to Accepted.com's Haas Happening.

Koestner (ID=28) (Oct 23, 2001 9:06:46 PM)
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Linda Abraham (ID=27) (Oct 23, 2001 9:07:09 PM)
I also want to welcome Peter Johnson, Co-Director of Admissions and Jen Nelson, second year student. And last but not least, I want to welcome Cindy Tokumitsu, an Accepted.com's editor.

Linda Abraham (ID=27) (Oct 23, 2001 9:07:17 PM)
Thanks to everyone for joining.

Linda Abraham (ID=27) (Oct 23, 2001 9:07:24 PM)
We encourage dialogue and discussion, but I would like to suggest a structure to make it easier to follow the threads of conversation. So here is the protocol:

Linda Abraham (ID=27) (Oct 23, 2001 9:07:36 PM)
We will post questions and answers to the chat. If you have a question on that material, please type a "?" and then your question. Our guests, other participants, or I will reply. If one of you wants to comment on the current topic, please jump right in. If you want to start a different topic, please type "?."

Linda Abraham (ID=27) (Oct 23, 2001 9:07:44 PM)
Final request: We would like to avoid the brief summary of qualifications (or even the long laundry list) followed by the question, "Can I qualify?" Or "What are my chances?" This isn't the forum for that kind of analysis.

Linda Abraham (ID=27) (Oct 23, 2001 9:08:07 PM)
I also want to provide a little information on Jen Nelson's background:

Linda Abraham (ID=27) (Oct 23, 2001 9:08:19 PM)
At Haas, Jen has been involved in several activities, including the following: Haas Student Ambassadors, Women in Leadership (serving as both the Vice President for Alumnae Relations and the Logistics Co-Chair for the 2001 WIL Conference). During the summer of 2001, Jen interned at Safeway as a Business Analyst in their Supply Operations division. Upon graduation, she plans to pursue opportunities in supply chain management and/or strategic information technology.

jzlthssw (ID=25) (Oct 23, 2001 9:08:25 PM)
Recently there has been a "pile theory" going around these chats. It says the adcoms put applications that meet a GMAT and GPA threshold in a "good pile" and the rest in a bad pile, which stand minimal chance to be even thoroughly reviewed, no matter how good your essays and recs are. Is this nearly true at Haas?

Linda Abraham (ID=27) (Oct 23, 2001 9:08:32 PM)
this is your chance to ask questions about Haas' program and admissions policies. But I would like to take advantage of my position as host and ask the first questions.

Linda Abraham (ID=27) (Oct 23, 2001 9:08:53 PM)
If an applicant has a less than desirable GPA and wants to show that he or she can now perform in an academic environment, is the applicant better off taking classes in a traditional environment or in a distance learning program, where perhaps he or she could take more classes because the program is self-paced?

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Haas Admissions (ID=21) (Oct 23, 2001 9:09:07 PM)
JZ, we'll come back to that after Linda has posed her questions, ok?

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Linda Abraham (ID=27) (Oct 23, 2001 9:09:44 PM)
I guess, Pete got cut off. I assume he will be right back.

mbapimp (ID=34) (Oct 23, 2001 9:09:46 PM)
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Peter Johnson (ID=33) (Oct 23, 2001 9:09:51 PM)
I'm back....

Linda Abraham (ID=27) (Oct 23, 2001 9:09:59 PM)
I'll post my question again.

Linda Abraham (ID=27) (Oct 23, 2001 9:10:03 PM)
If an applicant has a less than desirable GPA and wants to show that he or she can now perform in an academic environment, is the applicant better off taking classes in a traditional environment or in a distance learning program, where perhaps he or she could take more classes because the program is self-paced?

Peter Johnson (ID=33) (Oct 23, 2001 9:10:59 PM)
Well, that depends on the nature of the courses. Any additional course work from an accredited institution will be considered as additional information; the value of self-paced course work varies from institution to institution.

Linda Abraham (ID=27) (Oct 23, 2001 9:11:19 PM)
How do you evaluate re-applicants? Do you review the old file and the new data sheet and re-applicant essay or just notes from reviewers of the old file?

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Traverse (ID=31) (Oct 23, 2001 9:12:29 PM)
Is there a minimum number of years work experience?

Peter Johnson (ID=33) (Oct 23, 2001 9:13:07 PM)
When reviewing re-applicants, we review the old file, the re-applicant essay, and any information that has been added as part of the reapplication process. Generally speaking, however, a principal consideration for the Admissions Committee is the level of change. If an applicant was not successful in a previous cycle, there is probably an area of weakness in the application packet. We would look to see if and how the weakness had been addressed...

Linda Abraham (ID=27) (Oct 23, 2001 9:13:17 PM)
The next question is for both of you starting with Jen. If you were to choose 3 attributes you would like to see in Haas students, what would they be?

Haas Student (ID=20) (Oct 23, 2001 9:13:28 PM)
w/r/t work experience, there is no minimum, per se, although my classmates tend to have two years or more.

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Linda Abraham (ID=27) (Oct 23, 2001 9:13:53 PM)
What does w/r/t stand for?

Peter Johnson (ID=33) (Oct 23, 2001 9:14:01 PM)
There is no formal minimum amount of post-degree work experience, although it is difficult for an applicant to be competitive with less than two years. The average of the applicants to whom we have offered admission in the last 2 years tends to be about 5, and the range is 2 and up.

Peter Johnson (ID=33) (Oct 23, 2001 9:14:43 PM)

Traverse (ID=31) (Oct 23, 2001 9:14:50 PM)
with respect to

Linda Abraham (ID=27) (Oct 23, 2001 9:14:55 PM)

Ed (ID=36) (Oct 23, 2001 9:15:10 PM)
With the economy not doing so well. Are you seeing a big upsurge in applications.

Haas Student (ID=20) (Oct 23, 2001 9:15:12 PM)
It's hard to actually define three specific attributes just because we benefit so much from the diversity of our classmates. At the same time, however, I would definitely say that my fellow classmates tend to exhibit the following: (1) support for fellow students, (2) great interest and ability to excel in a team setting; and (3) a strong desire to get involved in activities here on campus.

Peter Johnson (ID=33) (Oct 23, 2001 9:15:18 PM)

Haas Student (ID=20) (Oct 23, 2001 9:15:42 PM)
w/r/t - with respect to - sorry about that

Linda Abraham (ID=27) (Oct 23, 2001 9:15:42 PM)
Peter, could you also respond to my 3 key attribute question?

Peter Johnson (ID=33) (Oct 23, 2001 9:16:03 PM)
Ed, it is too early to tell if there will be a surge in applications. The number of individuals requesting information is up, but we won't really know until after the first couple of application round deadlines have passed.

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Traverse (ID=31) (Oct 23, 2001 9:16:26 PM)
Given that Berkeley is located in proximity to silicon valley, I am sure there are a high percentage of applicants in the technology and software industries — how can these candidates best differentiate themselves?

mbapimp (ID=34) (Oct 23, 2001 9:16:56 PM)
how is the admissions process on candidates of a non-traditional background e.g. film producer, museum curator, art dealer, school teacher etc?

beantown (ID=26) (Oct 23, 2001 9:17:03 PM)
? - speaking of work experience, I have been working for the same company for about 3 years now and am now considering a job change the year before potential enrollment. would that be looked upon unfavorably?

Peter Johnson (ID=33) (Oct 23, 2001 9:17:14 PM)
I would list the following attributes: 1) creativity, (2) good team skills, (3) rich professional experience.

Linda Abraham (ID=27) (Oct 23, 2001 9:17:18 PM)
Let's let Jen and Peter catch up.

Haas Student (ID=20) (Oct 23, 2001 9:17:41 PM)
Traverse - we see candidates from all backgrounds here at Haas. My personal suggestion is to differentiate yourself through the short answer questions. Be as honest as you can — let the Admissions Committee get to know you.

jzlthssw (ID=25) (Oct 23, 2001 9:17:44 PM)
Recently there has been a "pile Theory" going around these chats. It claims that the adcoms put applications that meet a certain GMAT and GPA threshold in a "good pile", in a screening, and put the rest in a "bad pile", which stands little chance to be even thoroughly reviewed, no matter how good the rec and essays. Is this nearly true at Haas? If so, what are the thresholds?

Haas Student (ID=20) (Oct 23, 2001 9:18:01 PM)
mbapimp - is there a certain facet to the process that you wish to know about?

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bleu (ID=39) (Oct 23, 2001 9:19:18 PM)
thank you

Traverse (ID=31) (Oct 23, 2001 9:19:28 PM)
I'm sure this question is often asked, but what is the optimal round to apply in? I am aware that in general early is better than later, but is there a date or round past which odds of acceptance lower significantly?

Haas Student (ID=20) (Oct 23, 2001 9:19:35 PM)
jzlthssw, as far as I know, each application is given the same amount of attention as any other. There are no "good" piles or "bad" piles.

Peter Johnson (ID=33) (Oct 23, 2001 9:19:49 PM)
Let me address two questions here. Our process welcomes individuals with a variety of different professional backgrounds; the important issues to consider are what skills the applicant has developed through that work experience, and how will an MBA help the applicant move to the next level in their career development. We do look for evidence of potential for leadership and senior mgt positions.

hlong2004 (ID=32) (Oct 23, 2001 9:20:40 PM)
Traditionally, has there been a significant difference between 1st and 2nd round in terms of number of applicants, acceptance rate, level of competitiveness, etc..? Thanks!

Peter Johnson (ID=33) (Oct 23, 2001 9:20:41 PM)
Back to the "pile theory" question. I can only speak to what Haas does, but we really do review all applications. We do not subscribe to the "pile" method — although I cannot speak for all Admissions Committees. I suspect that some do...

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Linda Abraham (ID=27) (Oct 23, 2001 9:21:04 PM)
Traverse, we frequently see clients who are in "typical " professions distinguish themselves with non-professional achievements, activities, and experiences. That's how they show they can bring something distinctive to the class.

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mbapimp (ID=34) (Oct 23, 2001 9:21:07 PM)
I mean how are people of non-traditional MBA tracks looked upon? do you have any? e.g. film producers, art dealers, school teachers, concert pianists — any one that doesn't represent the dominant cohort of MBA's, or is your class filled with MC, IB, and Engineers... boring, boring, boring. what about "diversity"?

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Haas Student (ID=20) (Oct 23, 2001 9:21:32 PM)
Traverse - there is no "optimal" round to apply in. The question is when do you think you have a complete, accurate, and most-reflective-of-you (if I can say that) application ready.

Peter Johnson (ID=33) (Oct 23, 2001 9:21:32 PM)
At Haas, there has not been a significant difference between the 1st and second rounds in terms of offers, etc. Generally, our first round is relatively small, anyway.

Miss Christine (ID=42) (Oct 23, 2001 9:22:01 PM)
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Linda Abraham (ID=27) (Oct 23, 2001 9:22:16 PM)
Beantown, could you post your question again. I think it was missed.

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Traverse (ID=31) (Oct 23, 2001 9:22:37 PM)
I know that Berkeley doesn't require an interview per se, are there opportunities to chat one-on-one with admissions officers outside of the information session to get feedback?

Ed (ID=36) (Oct 23, 2001 9:22:37 PM)
Peter, how much time is spent on each application?

Haas Student (ID=20) (Oct 23, 2001 9:23:09 PM)
mbapimp — I have several classmates from non-traditional backgrounds... someone who worked on Broadway, another with a PhD in Biochemistry, etc. We are not just a group of MB, IB, etc.

Peter Johnson (ID=33) (Oct 23, 2001 9:23:32 PM)
Well, I don't think we have any concert pianists currently (at least not individuals with that as their primary profession), but we do have film producers and people with education backgrounds. Again, it goes back to what skills have been developed and how an MBA fits into the applicant's career goals.

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beantown (ID=26) (Oct 23, 2001 9:24:04 PM)
Hi all, I  have been working for my current employer for the past 3 years now and am now considering a job change the year before potential enrollment, would this be looked upon unfavorably?

Linda Abraham (ID=27) (Oct 23, 2001 9:24:37 PM)
Letters of rec. Do you expect busy recommenders to fill out your specific form? Do you look negatively on letters sent by the recommender to all the schools an applicant is applying to and merely attached to your form?

jzlthssw (ID=25) (Oct 23, 2001 9:24:37 PM)
Haas only has one essay requirement and it asks about goals and experience, but nowhere in the essay or short questions do you ask about specific relationship between a Haas MBA and those goals. Does that indicate that you are less concerned with candidates' vision on how the Haas MBA will contribute to their goals and how they'll fit in the particular school? Where can I show my knowledge in this respect?

Peter Johnson (ID=33) (Oct 23, 2001 9:25:04 PM)
There are some opportunities to chat one-on-one with admissions officers at events in which we participate (like MBA forums), or, even better, at information receptions that we host. For a schedule of these, please visit our web site at www.haas.berkeley.edu and follow the links for "prospective students" and then "MBA program" and "upcoming events and activities for prospective students."

bleu (ID=43) (Oct 23, 2001 9:25:21 PM)
I have the same concern as yours, jzlthssw

Ed (ID=36) (Oct 23, 2001 9:26:33 PM)
the rec letters are way too specific to each school. Schools should establish a set standard.

hlong2004 (ID=32) (Oct 23, 2001 9:26:42 PM)
Thanks, Peter. Does Haas offer admission without interview? If so, do you know what % of the admitted students are admitted without interview? Thanks!

norm (ID=41) (Oct 23, 2001 9:26:43 PM)
Peter, how important is the GMAT score with respect to students who grew up overseas? Do you expect those students to have higher scores?

Peter Johnson (ID=33) (Oct 23, 2001 9:26:51 PM)
Ed, the amount of time depends on the application. All applications are read by a minimum of two readers. Generally, the first read takes anywhere from 20 minutes to 45 (some readers are faster than others), and the second read may take slightly less. It is somewhat variable. Often, depending on the analysis by the first two readers, it may be read by a 3rd, and then it may well get significant discussion in an Admissions Committee meeting. It is really quite variable.

Haas Student (ID=20) (Oct 23, 2001 9:27:08 PM)
Beantown, I would imagine that if your new job will add new skills to your resume, then it shouldn't be a hindrance. I think that the admissions committee is looking for people with rich job experience. And that can certainly be an evolutionary process.

Linda Abraham (ID=27) (Oct 23, 2001 9:27:23 PM)
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mbapimp (ID=34) (Oct 23, 2001 9:27:31 PM)
How are minorities from abroad categorized. e.g. black Canadian. Am I considered an international student or a culturally colonized "African American"

Peter Johnson (ID=33) (Oct 23, 2001 9:27:43 PM)
W/r/t the essays, you could certainly discuss the relevance of a Haas MBA in the essay, but you could also use the optional essay.

Peter Johnson (ID=33) (Oct 23, 2001 9:28:19 PM)
Let me try to catch up a bit, here...

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Haas Student (ID=20) (Oct 23, 2001 9:28:35 PM)
hlong2004, Yes, Haas does offer admission without an interview. If I remember correctly, approximately 30% of my class had an interview.

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Peter Johnson (ID=33) (Oct 23, 2001 9:28:53 PM)
First, it might be nice if letters of rec were standardized, but given the variety of institutions offering MBA programs, it is unlikely...

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Linda Abraham (ID=45) (Oct 23, 2001 9:29:31 PM)
Sorry. I got booted by Digichat, our chat hosting service.

alan (ID=41) (Oct 23, 2001 9:29:32 PM)
I noticed some other B-schools have minority open houses/weekend campus visits Other than the Diversity Fair, is Hass planning on hosting any of these students at Berkeley?

Peter Johnson (ID=33) (Oct 23, 2001 9:29:46 PM)
Jen is pretty close on the percentage. We use the interview to gather additional data about an applicant. If you are invited for an interview, it is certainly a positive sign, but we also will make decisions without an interview.

Linda Abraham (ID=45) (Oct 23, 2001 9:30:02 PM)
Jen, What do you think is the best and most distinctive aspect of the Haas experience? What do you think it needs to improve or what is it working to improve?

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Miss Christine (ID=42) (Oct 23, 2001 9:30:29 PM)
In terms of grades, do the admission officers place a great emphasis on the undergraduate transcript as opposed to a graduate school (MS Engineering) transcript?

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Traverse (ID=31) (Oct 23, 2001 9:30:48 PM)
Can anyone interview or is it by invitation from the admissions committee only?

Jen Nelsen (ID=46) (Oct 23, 2001 9:31:10 PM)
Alan, Actually, Haas just held a minority workshop here on campus. As for future minority events, you should check our web page on the "events" page (found under prospective students).

Peter Johnson (ID=33) (Oct 23, 2001 9:31:21 PM)
In response to questions re: minority applicants, we do not consider ethnicity in reaching admission decisions, and are in fact prohibited by California law from doing so. We do sponsor and participate in outreach events, and we had a minority admissions workshop here at Haas last Saturday, which turned out very well.

Jen Nelsen (ID=46) (Oct 23, 2001 9:31:21 PM)
Traverse, interview is by invitation only.

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Koestner (ID=28) (Oct 23, 2001 9:31:34 PM)
? Hi, Linda. Thanks for your time, Peter and Jen. Dean Tyson mentions balancing the old and new economies. One concern I have with Haas' proximity to Silicon Valley is a tendency to teach trendy, and unproven, e-biz theory. Do you feel that Haas provides a good core business foundation for you to build upon?

hlong2004 (ID=32) (Oct 23, 2001 9:31:37 PM)
Thanks! That is somewhat surprising, considering how important interviews are viewed by some MBA programs...

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chris (ID=19) (Oct 23, 2001 9:32:31 PM)
How about the applicant in overseas? I suppose that Haas doesn't have an alumni interview like many other B-schools do.

Jen Nelsen (ID=46) (Oct 23, 2001 9:32:33 PM)
Linda, The most distinctive part of the experience for me has been the culture. Haas is a very cooperative, supportive environment. Students here help each other with virtually everything — whether it be homework, finding a job or whatever. As for what could be improved? Sometimes I wish we had more full-time resources available to help with student events like our Conferences.

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Ed (ID=36) (Oct 23, 2001 9:33:25 PM)
How many applications do you usually get from the East Coast?

Peter Johnson (ID=33) (Oct 23, 2001 9:33:43 PM)
Koestner, that is a good question. I actually would submit that our faculty has NOT followed the "trendy" stuff, and instead has focused on larger changes in the business world caused by new technology. In other words, what is important is how technology has forever changed and will continue to change the way in which businesses operate, rather than what the latest trend might be.

Traverse (ID=31) (Oct 23, 2001 9:33:59 PM)
I've researched the course guides and read about the business school, but I'd be interested to hear from Peter or others, what they consider to be the 2-3 industries or disciplines that are best served by a Haas MBA?

Jen Nelsen (ID=46) (Oct 23, 2001 9:34:08 PM)
Koestner, I definitely think that Haas teaches a solid core. As a second year student, I can tell you from experience that we have a wide variety of courses here to match the diversity of interests in our student body. You do not find a lot of "unproven, e-biz" theory.

jzlthssw (ID=25) (Oct 23, 2001 9:34:25 PM)
A GAP calculation question: On your application, you ask for undergrad "cumulative GPA". I transferred from one college to another in the middle of my study, am I supposed to calculate a overall GPA from both schools or simply the GPA from the graduating school?

Peter Johnson (ID=33) (Oct 23, 2001 9:34:48 PM)
Ed, our US applications tend to come mostly from the coasts, and we generally have 700-800 from the east coast in a given year.

Peter Johnson (ID=33) (Oct 23, 2001 9:35:03 PM)
Traverse ,

Jen Nelsen (ID=46) (Oct 23, 2001 9:35:10 PM)
Chris, For those who live overseas and are invited to interview, Haas will do their best to schedule an alumni interview for you.

SM (ID=44) (Oct 23, 2001 9:35:31 PM)
How much of teaching at Haas is done through case studies....vs. lectures?

chris (ID=19) (Oct 23, 2001 9:36:10 PM)
Thanks. And how much do you consider a GMAT score in evaluating an applicant?

Peter Johnson (ID=33) (Oct 23, 2001 9:36:17 PM)
I'm not sure that I could break it down that much. Like all MBA programs, Haas sends a lot ]of graduates into consulting and investment banking, but we are also fairly well represented in healthcare mgt, real estate, high-tech, etc. If you visit the career services section of our web site, there is more detailed info available about where people go after the MBA.

hlong2004 (ID=32) (Oct 23, 2001 9:36:39 PM)
Peter and Jen, do you happen to know what % of the admitted students are from the east coast? Does Haas focus mostly on recruiting from the west coast, or applicants from the EC are pretty well represented? Thanks!

Peter Johnson (ID=33) (Oct 23, 2001 9:36:59 PM)
BTW, we also send admissions staff abroad to do interviews where the numbers justify it...

onice (ID=50) (Oct 23, 2001 9:37:07 PM)
What are Haas point of view of applicants coming from sensitive industry, such as wine and tobacco?

Jen Nelsen (ID=46) (Oct 23, 2001 9:37:44 PM)
SM, I don't have a statistical breakdown for you, but it tends to depend on the professor and the subject matter. First year core classes in accounting and finance tend to be more lecture-oriented while marketing classes tend to be more case-focused. I tend to have at least a few guest speakers in my elective classes (and a couple here and there in my core classes last year).

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Traverse (ID=31) (Oct 23, 2001 9:38:11 PM)
Thanks. In the math proficiency section of the application, it suggests "at least a B" college level courses. Is a "B" a stringent threshold or is a B- acceptable, especially for a liberal arts applicant who didn't take quantitatively heavy course loads

Jen Nelsen (ID=46) (Oct 23, 2001 9:38:12 PM)
Chris, The GMAT is just one factor in the overall application. It is not weighed more heavily than any other.

SM (ID=44) (Oct 23, 2001 9:38:16 PM)
Thanks Jen.

Peter Johnson (ID=33) (Oct 23, 2001 9:38:44 PM)
A GMAT score is just one of the elements that we consider, and certainly not the most important. Keep in mind, however, that a lower or higher GMAT score could make a difference in a decision made between candidates who are relatively similar in other ways. In most years, we are only able to offer admission to 13-14% of our applicants, and so relatively subtle distinctions can be important.

Linda Abraham (ID=45) (Oct 23, 2001 9:39:01 PM)
Traverse, you may want to consider taking some quant classes to show that you can handle demanding quant work, especially if your work experience doesn't require it.

Jen Nelsen (ID=46) (Oct 23, 2001 9:39:13 PM)
hlong2004, I don't know the percentage off-hand, but I know that there are plenty of East Coasters. (I am originally from the east coast myself.)

SM (ID=44) (Oct 23, 2001 9:39:18 PM)
What is a higher band of GMAT scores at Haas?

chris (ID=19) (Oct 23, 2001 9:39:18 PM)
Thanks Jen.

Peter Johnson (ID=33) (Oct 23, 2001 9:39:30 PM)
Jen, since you are from the east coast, what would you say about the representation? ;-)

Linda Abraham (ID=45) (Oct 23, 2001 9:39:49 PM)
Lots of refugees from the snow.

Peter Johnson (ID=33) (Oct 23, 2001 9:40:26 PM)
I'm not sure I understand the "band" question, but I can tell you that the middle 80% of last years admit pool was 640-730.

chris (ID=19) (Oct 23, 2001 9:40:42 PM)
How do you evaluate an applicant who took GMAT for the second time?

jzlthssw (ID=25) (Oct 23, 2001 9:40:50 PM)
I've heard B-Schools are not very friendly toward applicants above 30 years of age, because they tend to be a burden to their placement office. Is this true at Haas?

hlong2004 (ID=32) (Oct 23, 2001 9:40:50 PM)
Good one, Linda... another reason to apply to Haas...

cydney foote (ID=48) (Oct 23, 2001 9:41:05 PM)
? I'm an Accepted editor and one of my clients is applying for the Haas evening MBA. What significant differences do you see in these candidates? Are they evaluated by the same criteria as the regular MBA candidates? Are there different experiences you're looking for?

SM (ID=44) (Oct 23, 2001 9:41:07 PM)
That is what I meant... Thanks.

Peter Johnson (ID=33) (Oct 23, 2001 9:41:23 PM)
Regarding applicants from "sensitive" industries, we look at them just like any other applicants. As I mentioned earlier, it is the quality of the work experience.

onice (ID=50) (Oct 23, 2001 9:41:45 PM)
Thanks Peter!

Peter Johnson (ID=33) (Oct 23, 2001 9:42:23 PM)
As far as applicants who have taken the GMAT multiple times, we generally give more weight to the higher score. Now if an applicant has taken it 10 times, I might worry... ;-)

chris (ID=19) (Oct 23, 2001 9:42:46 PM)
Thanks Peter.

Jen Nelsen (ID=46) (Oct 23, 2001 9:42:58 PM)
jzlthssw, Age is not a factor at Haas. The average age of my classmates is 28. To reach that, I would assume that we have a number of people over 30. What matters more is the quality of work experience over time. As for career placement, each student is treated in the same manner.

jzlthssw (ID=25) (Oct 23, 2001 9:43:18 PM)
Thank Jen!

Linda Abraham (ID=45) (Oct 23, 2001 9:43:22 PM)
Letters of rec. Do you expect busy recommenders to fill out your specific form? Do you look negatively on letters sent by the recommender to all the schools an applicant is applying to and merely attached to your form?

Linda Abraham (ID=45) (Oct 23, 2001 9:43:41 PM)
This might have been answered when I was booted. IF so, please ignore.

Peter Johnson (ID=33) (Oct 23, 2001 9:44:20 PM)
Re: the Evening MBA program (which is actually now the "Evening and Weekend MBA Program", since they have added a weekend cohort) the basis for review is quite similar, and uses the same process. In fact, in past years, the same Admissions Committee has reviewed both groups. The pools tend to be slightly different, but the profile has been similar, with the exception that the Evening group tends to have a higher average in the work experience profile.

beantown (ID=26) (Oct 23, 2001 9:44:25 PM)
Jen, I heard earlier that you just completed your internship.. how did you like it? I have spoken to some students (not at HAAS ) who were not particularly thrilled with theirs.. what happens in that situation?

onice (ID=50) (Oct 23, 2001 9:45:08 PM)
What is the internship situation in this summer, provided with the economic downturn?

Traverse (ID=31) (Oct 23, 2001 9:45:29 PM)
Who should ideally write the letters of recommendation? And to echo the earlier question, can this be a standardized letter — hard to think that I could get a customized letter from each recommender for each school I'm applying to...

Peter Johnson (ID=33) (Oct 23, 2001 9:46:19 PM)
I'm not sure anyone knows what the internship situation will look like. Many large companies are telling us they will hire fewer interns, but we don't know what the effect will be on our student population yet.

Jen Nelsen (ID=46) (Oct 23, 2001 9:46:23 PM)
beantown, I really enjoyed my internship. After coming from the Big 5 prior to Haas, I appreciated the fact that I could try private industry. In fact, I am considering going back to this company permanently (assuming I get an offer). As for people who didn't like theirs, I think they looked on it as a learning experience. If nothing else, it showed them what they don't want to do in the future.

Ed (ID=36) (Oct 23, 2001 9:46:35 PM)
How are the professors at Haas: Are they geared toward students like Tuck or toward Research like Stanford?

beantown (ID=26) (Oct 23, 2001 9:46:42 PM)
thanks jen!

spider (ID=47) (Oct 23, 2001 9:47:01 PM)
? Are you seeing a heavier than usual inflow of applications at Haas this year, with the economic and employment condition? Is this year's admission process expected to be much more competitive?

amark (ID=51) (Oct 23, 2001 9:47:07 PM)
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jzlthssw (ID=25) (Oct 23, 2001 9:47:23 PM)
I posted a GPA question before: as a transferred student during college, how do I calculate the "cumulative GPA"? Should I average all courses taken at both schools? Or simply report the GPA from the graduating college?

Jen Nelsen (ID=46) (Oct 23, 2001 9:47:49 PM)
Ed, I think the professors do a great job of balancing both. I take a question like this very seriously because I am actually a professor's kid. (Dad is a professor at another university, so I understand the "publish or perish" mentality.) We have very talented, accomplished full professors who teach all of our classes, including core classes.

Peter Johnson (ID=33) (Oct 23, 2001 9:48:15 PM)
Letters of rec: Well, you will present a stronger application if your recommender answers the questions that are posed by the program to which you are applying. Generic letters of rec are not usually very compelling. At Haas, we prefer that one letter be from your current supervisor, if possible. We also prefer that the second be a professional letter. It is best to avoid letter from faculty members .

Koestner (ID=28) (Oct 23, 2001 9:49:14 PM)
? Peter and Jen, I like how you both mentioned how supportive the students are of each other. I studied engineering at the University of Michigan and it was very competitive. How does the student's support of one another at Haas mesh with the competitiveness of the students?

Ed (ID=36) (Oct 23, 2001 9:49:19 PM)
Do you ever call recs to ask them more questions?

Jen Nelsen (ID=46) (Oct 23, 2001 9:49:22 PM)
spider, we have yet to see what the inflow will really be. We have received a number of queries for information, but it is too early to tell what will happen with applications.

amy wang (ID=23) (Oct 23, 2001 9:49:26 PM)
Peter, It is said, the F-1 visa to us is difficult to get now, do you think the tragedy's shadow will decrease your enrollment? on the basis of that, will you consider widening the admission?

Peter Johnson (ID=33) (Oct 23, 2001 9:49:28 PM)
jz, to calculate the gpa, we actually ask for it in a couple of places. A gpa is requested in relation to each institution, a cumulative gpa of all course work, and a gpa for all course work taken after the first two years.

Ed (ID=36) (Oct 23, 2001 9:49:29 PM)
Thanks Jen for answer

chris (ID=19) (Oct 23, 2001 9:49:29 PM)
How about the self-employed applicant? Should they identify this point in the application form?

Traverse (ID=31) (Oct 23, 2001 9:49:40 PM)
Thanks, Peter. Is there a maximum number of letters? I feel that I have two strong ones from professional recommenders, but felt that one additional would add a personal dimension that would probably not be well articulated by my professional colleagues.

onice (ID=50) (Oct 23, 2001 9:49:46 PM)
Peter, what are the most important values in Haas?

Linda Abraham (ID=45) (Oct 23, 2001 9:49:57 PM)
Let's give them a minute to respond.

Jen Nelsen (ID=46) (Oct 23, 2001 9:51:11 PM)
Koestner, I think they mesh very well. We are all highly motivated students; otherwise, we wouldn't be here. We want to learn from each other and see each other succeed, but we don't do it at the expense of each other. Does that make sense?

Peter Johnson (ID=33) (Oct 23, 2001 9:51:15 PM)
Chris, you should identify the "self-employed" issue. I think it would be difficult to answer the prof experience questions without doing so. We see a number of self-employed applicants every year.

jzlthssw (ID=25) (Oct 23, 2001 9:51:21 PM)
If I'm not able to provide a rec letter from current supervisor for obvious employment concerns, should I attach a note explaining it?

Jen Nelsen (ID=46) (Oct 23, 2001 9:51:38 PM)
Traverse, My understanding is that you are asked to provide two letters only.

Jen Nelsen (ID=46) (Oct 23, 2001 9:52:21 PM)
jzlthssw, my answer would be yes. Use the optional essay section to describe your situation. Pete, any other thoughts?

Sean Swanzy (ID=40) (Oct 23, 2001 9:52:23 PM)
Jen, Haas has a reputation for teaching entrepreneurship. Do you find, through your classes, you have been provided the knowledge base to explore your ideas once you finish? I guess what I'm asking ,in your first hand experience, is Haas as good a school at helping students interested in entrepreneurship as I've read

Traverse (ID=31) (Oct 23, 2001 9:52:23 PM)
Thanks, Jen!

Peter Johnson (ID=33) (Oct 23, 2001 9:52:26 PM)
Traverse-due to the demands of reviewing all applications, we do ask that you only provide two. Candidates who are placed on the waitlist are given the opportunity to provide additional information, however.

chris (ID=19) (Oct 23, 2001 9:52:32 PM)
What I mean is that the self-employed applicant cannot find his/her boss to write the rec. So under this circumstance, how can you

Traverse (ID=31) (Oct 23, 2001 9:52:47 PM)
Thanks, Peter.

chris (ID=19) (Oct 23, 2001 9:52:51 PM)
evaluate his/her current professional background?

Peter Johnson (ID=33) (Oct 23, 2001 9:53:29 PM)
Traverse — actually, there is a place where we ask you to tell us who your recommenders are and their relationship to you. (Hopefully not a family relationship — although last year, one applicant had a letter of rec from her father, and it wasn't a very good one! :-) )

onice (ID=50) (Oct 23, 2001 9:53:29 PM)
Peter, looking at one of the short questions, can you tell a bit more on what Haas is looking for from 'In comparison to your college and classmates, do you feel that you are particularly advantaged or disadvantaged'?

Jen Nelsen (ID=46) (Oct 23, 2001 9:54:02 PM)
Sean, Funny you should ask that. I am taking entrepreneurship this semester. I have found that I have a lot of resources at my disposal. Not only is the head of the Lester Center for Entrepreneurship and Innovation actually teaching my class, but I have the luxury of having two mentors who are entrepreneurs themselves in the real world helping us with our business plan. Furthermore, there are plenty of classes in entrepreneurship that are very hands-on - not just theory but actually "how to get what you want".

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Sean Swanzy (ID=40) (Oct 23, 2001 9:55:11 PM)
Thanks Jen, It is nice to know what a student thinks.

SM (ID=44) (Oct 23, 2001 9:55:19 PM)
How much will a low GPA hinder - given a decent GMAT score, a lot of good quality work experience (though unrelated to finance), and a diverse background ?

Koestner (ID=28) (Oct 23, 2001 9:55:22 PM)
Jen, that absolutely makes sense. Glad to hear it. Too often, I see people trying to get to the top by pushing others down.

Peter Johnson (ID=33) (Oct 23, 2001 9:55:23 PM)
Chris, that depends on who you feel can best answer the questions we pose. A good choice might be a principal client, or a supplier, or an investor. There are many options, and you are probably the person best equipped to select the appropriate person. My favorite letter of rec for a self-employed person (an entrepreneur who is now a second year student at Haas) was from his principal competitor!

Linda Abraham (ID=45) (Oct 23, 2001 9:55:49 PM)
Jen, could you describe a typical day? or is there such a thing?

Traverse (ID=31) (Oct 23, 2001 9:55:50 PM)
If I wanted some one-on-one in-person feedback from someone in admissions to get feedback on the my positioning, is there a appropriate way to do that?

cydney foote (ID=48) (Oct 23, 2001 9:56:04 PM)
There was an earlier question that I don't think was answered — how do you predict the restrictions on F-1 visas will affect your foreign candidates? If a foreign candidate is admitted, can the b-schools help support their visa?

Peter Johnson (ID=33) (Oct 23, 2001 9:56:22 PM)
Onice, I don't want to "coach" too much — the question is intentionally broad, as one of the things we want to see is how YOU define it...

bleu (ID=43) (Oct 23, 2001 9:56:33 PM)
I found some interesting questions in the appl. form such as the person you would like to have lunch with and the food you'd order, which can't be seen on other schools forms. What do you want to get out from questions like this?

onice (ID=50) (Oct 23, 2001 9:57:12 PM)
Oh that's challenging, thanks Peter!

jzlthssw (ID=25) (Oct 23, 2001 9:58:08 PM)
I heard that in the review process an applicant is to compete with a certain pool of people with similar backgrounds. For example, Indians against Indians, IT's against IT's, etc... In other word, an applicant with a more unique background, say, a pianist, will have less competition. Is it true?

Traverse (ID=31) (Oct 23, 2001 9:58:35 PM)
Peter/Linda/Jen - What impresses you most about essays that you've reviewed in the past? Is there a top 2-3 attributes you look for? Also, any guidance on how long the short answer responses should be?

Peter Johnson (ID=33) (Oct 23, 2001 9:58:39 PM)
Traverse, we don't provide that kind of guidance during the application cycle, as we try to avoid giving some applicants an unfair advantage. We do provide feedback to unsuccessful candidates individually, by phone, during the summer months if they request it.

onice (ID=50) (Oct 23, 2001 9:59:16 PM)
Peter and Jen, what are the most important values in Haas?

Jen Nelsen (ID=46) (Oct 23, 2001 9:59:21 PM)
Linda, a typical day? Doesn't exist. How about today? I got to school around 9am, met with some members of the Haas Student Ambassadors to work through some current projects. Around 10:30am, I did email, counted checks and submitted money to our VP of Finance for the Women in Leadership club (checks received from this past weekend's WIL conference), and finished reading my High Tech Marketing case. Around 12:30pm I had lunch with some fellow classmates of mine with whom I will be traveling to Australia over the winter break. From 2pm to 5pm I had my High Tech marketing class. After this, I plan to go home, read some cases for tomorrow, and start working on a group paper. No workout for today, but hopefully tomorrow!

Traverse (ID=31) (Oct 23, 2001 9:59:24 PM)
Understandable on the one-on-one feedback issue. . .

Peter Johnson (ID=33) (Oct 23, 2001 9:59:35 PM)
With regard to the "dinner" question, some of the questions we pose are designed to give us a feel for the applicant's creativity and "spark", including that one...

bleu (ID=43) (Oct 23, 2001 10:00:06 PM)
thanks peter

Peter Johnson (ID=33) (Oct 23, 2001 10:00:37 PM)
jz — being a classical pianist won't necessarily help unless the professional experience has given the applicant the skills we are looking for — creativity, team skills, potential for senior management or leadership positions, etc.

Jen Nelsen (ID=46) (Oct 23, 2001 10:00:49 PM)
bleu, I would like to add that those short answer questions are your chance to tell the Ad Comm who you really are. Be yourself. Don't answer what you think they want to hear.

bleu (ID=43) (Oct 23, 2001 10:01:06 PM)
thanks jen

Traverse (ID=31) (Oct 23, 2001 10:01:24 PM)
I spent 2 years doing humanitarian service during college - although this is not post-graduate work experience, per se, it was full-time - would this tend to bolster the years work experience section or be look on favorably?

Peter Johnson (ID=33) (Oct 23, 2001 10:01:24 PM)
Onice — I'd say the most important values are leadership and teamwork.

jzlthssw (ID=25) (Oct 23, 2001 10:01:56 PM)
Peter, what about the" Indians against Indians and ITs against ITS "part?

Jen Nelsen (ID=46) (Oct 23, 2001 10:01:59 PM)
onice, the most important values at Haas? teamwork. dedication. follow-through (if you can call it a value)

Traverse (ID=31) (Oct 23, 2001 10:02:19 PM)
What most impresses admissions officers about essays?

UCLA John (ID=53) (Oct 23, 2001 10:02:39 PM)
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Peter Johnson (ID=33) (Oct 23, 2001 10:02:53 PM)
Traverse — we look at all evidence of experience. Generally speaking, work experience prior to completion of the first degree does not tend to give someone the same level of opportunities/responsibilities, but that is of course a gross generalization. It really depends on how it fits with the rest of your profile and what that experience has given you in terms of skills, experience, etc.

onice (ID=50) (Oct 23, 2001 10:02:55 PM)
Thanks Peter and Jen!

bleu (ID=43) (Oct 23, 2001 10:03:13 PM)
regarding to jz's background question.. I'm an architect who's applying for haas's real estate program, would that be somewhat unique and attractive among other applicants?

Jen Nelsen (ID=46) (Oct 23, 2001 10:03:20 PM)
onice, and a few more things like a desire to get involved and a genuine feeling of respect for your fellow classmates

Linda Abraham (ID=45) (Oct 23, 2001 10:03:23 PM)
The most impressive essays to me are the ones that show thought and individuality.

Traverse (ID=31) (Oct 23, 2001 10:03:23 PM)
Thanks for the thorough answer, Peter.

Linda Abraham (ID=45) (Oct 23, 2001 10:03:56 PM)
so often applicants are so busy trying to second-guess what adcoms want that they fail to present themselves as human beings and individuals.

alan (ID=41) (Oct 23, 2001 10:04:02 PM)
Peter, I don't want to get out of an MBA program with so much debt that I am forced to work for somebody I don't. Do you see a lot of Haas graduates swimming in such debt that they are unhappy with their employer after graduating? Are there loan forgiveness programs?

Linda Abraham (ID=45) (Oct 23, 2001 10:04:09 PM)
The essays should be as fun to read as meeting a new person can be.

Traverse (ID=31) (Oct 23, 2001 10:04:20 PM)
I am concerned that applying online might give a different picture of my application, screw up the formatting - an thoughts to allay my concerns?

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cindy tokumitsu (ID=29) (Oct 23, 2001 10:05:03 PM)
? Cydney and another participant asked about possible tightening on F-1 visas, and how that might impact your review and/or acceptance of international applicants. How are you addressing this issue?

alan (ID=41) (Oct 23, 2001 10:05:40 PM)
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hlong2004 (ID=32) (Oct 23, 2001 10:05:45 PM)
Jen, as a member of the HSA? have you seen an increase in Haas visitors this year?

onice (ID=50) (Oct 23, 2001 10:05:48 PM)
Jen, thanks for the additional info!

SM (ID=44) (Oct 23, 2001 10:05:59 PM)
To reiterate my question: How much does a low GPA hinder - given a high GMAT score, a lot of good quality work experience (unrelated to finance) and a diverse background?

Peter Johnson (ID=33) (Oct 23, 2001 10:06:02 PM)
jz — well, it is true that we try to have a diverse class in terms of geographic origin, professional experience, etc. The only time we actually review like candidates against one another is in reviewing individuals who completed their UG degrees in other educational systems. We review their academic profile on the basis of how they performed in their system first, rather than try to make one-for-one comparisons with people in the US system. Ultimately, however, the overall strength of their application is considered in relation to their relative strength against all other applicants. We don't look at all of the engineers together, or the investment bankers, or whatever.

Jen Nelsen (ID=46) (Oct 23, 2001 10:06:10 PM)
Alan, I would actually like to respond to this if I can. Most of my classmates here at Haas are not too worried about their debt situation. For one, any California resident gets a great deal (~10K). Secondly, any domestic student who comes here can live here for one year and then apply for residency for their second year — a great way to reduce the tuition bill.

saul (ID=41) (Oct 23, 2001 10:06:35 PM)
How many entrepreneurs in Haas' class of 2001 ended up starting their own business? Can you give me some examples please?

Traverse (ID=31) (Oct 23, 2001 10:06:43 PM)
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saul (ID=41) (Oct 23, 2001 10:07:29 PM)
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Jen Nelsen (ID=46) (Oct 23, 2001 10:07:32 PM)
hlong2004 - unfortunately, I don't have statistics from last year to see whether the number of visitors has increased or not. I know that we have plenty coming to campus.

jzlthssw (ID=25) (Oct 23, 2001 10:07:43 PM)
Beu's question about an architect applying for the Real Estate program is intriguing, any thoughts?

Alan (ID=41) (Oct 23, 2001 10:07:55 PM)
Looks like I will be a Cali resident.....thanks Jenn.

hlong2004 (ID=32) (Oct 23, 2001 10:08:17 PM)
Thanks, Jen

Peter Johnson (ID=33) (Oct 23, 2001 10:08:38 PM)
SM — well, it depends on the overall strength of the application. We rarely make a decision based on one element of an application, but rather on the overall strength (or weakness). Few individuals are at the top of the heap in all areas that we consider.

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onice (ID=50) (Oct 23, 2001 10:08:52 PM)
Peter, how does Hass determine the overall vigorness of applicants' UG institutions, applicants may come from famous and small colleges?

SM (ID=44) (Oct 23, 2001 10:09:20 PM)
Thanks Peter.

Sean Swanzy (ID=40) (Oct 23, 2001 10:09:47 PM)
I know it is too early to have numbers but what is your guess about this year's applicant pool. Do you think that it will be considerably higher since the economy has headed down?

amark (ID=51) (Oct 23, 2001 10:10:09 PM)
? Haas' brochure isn't very clear about the application process for re-applicants. Where can I find more information?

Peter Johnson (ID=33) (Oct 23, 2001 10:10:31 PM)
Onice — it depends. In some cases, we are very familiar with the academic quality of an institution, in other cases, it may be more difficult to ascertain. Most of us have a number of years of experience, though, and I think you would be surprised how many relatively obscure institutions we are very familiar with!

Jen Nelsen (ID=46) (Oct 23, 2001 10:11:07 PM)
Bleu - being an architect certainly sounds interesting to me. However, the Haas Ad Comm will review your application in total - all factors will be reviewed in order to create a complete profile of you.

Peter Johnson (ID=33) (Oct 23, 2001 10:11:22 PM)
Sean — my guess is that the applicant pool will go up between 5-10%. That's total speculation, however, and not very scientific.

onice (ID=50) (Oct 23, 2001 10:11:39 PM)
Oh that's true! Thanks Peter!

Peter Johnson (ID=33) (Oct 23, 2001 10:11:58 PM)
Bleu — Jen's right — it might be interesting — depends on what skills you have developed and how you will use them in your future career plans.

bleu (ID=43) (Oct 23, 2001 10:12:14 PM)
jen peter, thanks

SM (ID=44) (Oct 23, 2001 10:13:05 PM)
Is Haas part of World MBA Tour? Any plans of visiting Hong Kong?

Linda Abraham (ID=45) (Oct 23, 2001 10:13:37 PM)
How many of you are int'l applicants?

SM (ID=44) (Oct 23, 2001 10:13:45 PM)
I am.

amark (ID=51) (Oct 23, 2001 10:13:54 PM)
I am.

onice (ID=50) (Oct 23, 2001 10:14:01 PM)
Jen, any idea how many Haas students headed for exchange programs this year?

cindy tokumitsu (ID=29) (Oct 23, 2001 10:14:03 PM)
Peter, Jen, Linda, thank you for a very informative chat. Good luck to all the Haas applicants!

jzlthssw (ID=25) (Oct 23, 2001 10:14:06 PM)
I'm having a little trouble keeping my essay under the words limit. Is 1/3 over the limit considered unacceptable? I do believe I have a compelling story to tell, but it tends to have a few twists that add length to it.

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Peter Johnson (ID=33) (Oct 23, 2001 10:14:06 PM)
Amark — re: the process for reapplicants, it is also outlined on the web site. Basically, you should not apply using Embark — use our internal online app or submit a paper copy; complete the "Personal Data Form" (demographic info), and submit a statement indicating what has changed since your last application. You can provide new letters of rec, an updated resume, and/or new test scores, if these are relevant to your circumstances. The only thing you are required to provide is the updated PDF and the statement. Beyond that, it depends on what you feel might strengthen your application.

onice (ID=50) (Oct 23, 2001 10:14:12 PM)
Linda, and me too!

Jen Nelsen (ID=46) (Oct 23, 2001 10:14:24 PM)
amark - try page 7 of the online application (pdf file). It talks about "reactivations".

Chris (ID=54) (Oct 23, 2001 10:14:40 PM)
Sorry, my computer crashed after I proposed my question. Here it is again: how can you evaluate the current professional backgrounds of self-employed applicants since they cannot provide the rec of their boss?

jzlthssw (ID=25) (Oct 23, 2001 10:14:52 PM)
Is US permanent residents considered Int'l?

Linda Abraham (ID=45) (Oct 23, 2001 10:14:53 PM)
You're welcome.

Linda Abraham (ID=45) (Oct 23, 2001 10:15:03 PM)
I meant living abroad.

cydney foote (ID=48) (Oct 23, 2001 10:15:20 PM)
Thank you for all the information!

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bleu (ID=43) (Oct 23, 2001 10:15:33 PM)
does haas have any programs helping its students' spouse to fit in the new life?

Peter Johnson (ID=33) (Oct 23, 2001 10:15:36 PM)
Regarding visas — the question was posed earlier. At this point, there is no evidence that it will be more difficult to get a student visa. In the aftermath of Sept 11, the government is considering many things, including a proposal to more strictly limit student visas, but nothing has yet been implemented. I would guess that the citizens of certain countries will have a more difficult time, and for others, little will change.

Jen Nelsen (ID=46) (Oct 23, 2001 10:15:51 PM)
onice - Yes. We have 6 students over in Barcelona and 5 students over in London this semester. While not "abroad", per se, we also have 4 students at Columbia in New York.

onice (ID=50) (Oct 23, 2001 10:16:36 PM)
Jen, that sounds nice, thanks!

Alan (ID=41) (Oct 23, 2001 10:16:56 PM)
Peter, can you tell me what you are looking for in applications of people that apply thru CGSM?

amy wang (ID=52) (Oct 23, 2001 10:16:57 PM)
Thanks, Peter.

Jen Nelsen (ID=46) (Oct 23, 2001 10:17:06 PM)
Bleu - we encourage all partners and significant others to become involved in our "Partners" club.

Peter Johnson (ID=33) (Oct 23, 2001 10:17:21 PM)
Haas will not be in HK with the World MBA Tour this year, although I will be in Beijing, Tokyo, and Seoul doing the GMAC Forums. We try not to go to all of the same places every year — some we always visit, others we rotate.

amy wang (ID=52) (Oct 23, 2001 10:18:07 PM)
You won't be shanghai?

onice (ID=50) (Oct 23, 2001 10:18:15 PM)
That's a pity though. SM, any plans to go to BJ then?

Jen Nelsen (ID=46) (Oct 23, 2001 10:18:16 PM)
Bleu - should you have additional questions about the partners club, you are always welcome to email the Haas Student Ambassadors at hsa@haas.berkeley.edu.

SM (ID=44) (Oct 23, 2001 10:18:43 PM)
Onice - no such plans so far.

Koestner (ID=28) (Oct 23, 2001 10:18:47 PM)
Good luck to those applying! Thanks, Linda. Thanks, Peter and Jen.

Linda Abraham (ID=45) (Oct 23, 2001 10:18:55 PM)
What do the Haas Student Ambassadors do?

Peter Johnson (ID=33) (Oct 23, 2001 10:18:58 PM)
Alan — yes — the same things we look for in all applicants, as noted on the application. WE welcome CGSM applicants, and have been a Consortium member institution for some time, but in terms of consideration for admission, we look at the same criteria as other candidates. Note that CGSM applicants to Berkeley, Texas, and North Carolina have to complete both the CGSM app and the institution's application.

Linda Abraham (ID=45) (Oct 23, 2001 10:19:01 PM)
You're welcome.

Koestner (ID=28) (Oct 23, 2001 10:19:13 PM)
btw: Nice touch with the bear, Peter.

amy wang (ID=52) (Oct 23, 2001 10:19:29 PM)
gonna go, thanks Linda and Haas. good luck to all peers.

amy wang (ID=52) (Oct 23, 2001 10:19:37 PM)
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Koestner (ID=28) (Oct 23, 2001 10:19:39 PM)
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Peter Johnson (ID=33) (Oct 23, 2001 10:19:41 PM)
Amy — nope, can't make it to SHanghai this year, although we were there last year,

Linda Abraham (ID=45) (Oct 23, 2001 10:19:44 PM)
Last few questions now...

onice (ID=50) (Oct 23, 2001 10:19:48 PM)
Jen, how do you interpret and live up the spirit of 'ethics'?

amark (ID=51) (Oct 23, 2001 10:19:50 PM)
? Is it ok to submit information which has not been explicitly asked for but might strengthen your application — like examples of your work?

Jen Nelsen (ID=46) (Oct 23, 2001 10:20:00 PM)
Linda — we are the student arm of the Admissions Office. We do everything from arranging class visits for prospective students to holding information sessions about the program to interviewing applicants.

bleu (ID=43) (Oct 23, 2001 10:20:01 PM)
thank you both very much for the info.

Linda Abraham (ID=45) (Oct 23, 2001 10:20:53 PM)
Can applicants write the e-mail address you provided and ask questions about student life at Haas?

beantown (ID=26) (Oct 23, 2001 10:21:05 PM)
thank you all for the time and info tonight! good luck to all applying!

Peter Johnson (ID=33) (Oct 23, 2001 10:21:09 PM)
Amark — yes, but I would caution you to limit it to stuff that truly adds to your application. Too much additional information might not be viewed in a positive light, as we really do read all of the applications! I would use the optional essay if needed, but try to avoid too much information that is not requested.

Jen Nelsen (ID=46) (Oct 23, 2001 10:21:30 PM)
Onice — I'm not sure what exactly you mean, but I'll give it a try. First of all, I am a CPA and I have professional Ethics exams every other year. (Lots of fun, let me tell you.) On a more personal note, I think that my classmates and I hold ourselves to a high level of ethical behavior — we are here to support each other, not go behind each other's back. Does that help?

Peter Johnson (ID=33) (Oct 23, 2001 10:21:33 PM)
Bleu — our pleasure — you have all had interesting questions.

hlong2004 (ID=32) (Oct 23, 2001 10:22:03 PM)
Thanks Jen and Pete. Look forward to meeting you in person when I visit Haas...

Jen Nelsen (ID=46) (Oct 23, 2001 10:22:05 PM)
Linda — yes, prospective students are definitely encouraged to write to hsa@haas.berkeley.edu with any questions.

Linda Abraham (ID=45) (Oct 23, 2001 10:22:33 PM)
Last two questions...

jzlthssw (ID=25) (Oct 23, 2001 10:22:49 PM)
Any thoughts on the essay word limit question? Pet or Jen? is 1/3 over considered bad?

onice (ID=50) (Oct 23, 2001 10:22:50 PM)
Jen, yes. Perhaps I would like to know more about how Haas define 'business ethics'!

SM (ID=44) (Oct 23, 2001 10:22:57 PM)
Thank you Peter & Jen. All the best .

beantown (ID=26) (Oct 23, 2001 10:23:22 PM)
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Jen Nelsen (ID=46) (Oct 23, 2001 10:23:43 PM)
Onice — well, I can say that we have a five week course entitled "ethics" that is a core requirement. (I actually waived out of the course because of my CPA status.) Perhaps you would like to read more about the course on our web site?

Sean Swanzy (ID=40) (Oct 23, 2001 10:24:03 PM)
Peter, Jen, & all- Thanks for all the insight.

Peter Johnson (ID=33) (Oct 23, 2001 10:24:06 PM)
jz-well, we are not too strict on the guidelines, but keep in mind that in an average year, we read 3500+. The business world does value brevity and succinct communication! We won't count the words, though....

Linda Abraham (ID=45) (Oct 23, 2001 10:24:18 PM)
The Accepted.com rule of thumb is not more than 10% over the word limit.

jzlthssw (ID=25) (Oct 23, 2001 10:24:32 PM)
Thank you very much Peter and Jen!!!

jzlthssw (ID=25) (Oct 23, 2001 10:24:41 PM)
Thanks Linda.

Linda Abraham (ID=45) (Oct 23, 2001 10:24:42 PM)
Thank you again all for participating this evening. Special thanks to Peter and Jennifer for joining us this evening and to Cindy Tokumitsu for her assistance.

Peter Johnson (ID=33) (Oct 23, 2001 10:24:44 PM)
Linda's rule of thumb seems like a good idea.

Linda Abraham (ID=45) (Oct 23, 2001 10:24:51 PM)
We look forward to seeing you at future chats, and here is a list of currently scheduled chats:

Ed (ID=36) (Oct 23, 2001 10:24:57 PM)
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Linda Abraham (ID=45) (Oct 23, 2001 10:24:59 PM)
November 5 — Michigan;
November 12 — UNC;
November 19 — MIT;
November 26 — UCLA

Jen Nelsen (ID=46) (Oct 23, 2001 10:24:59 PM)
jzlthssw - I had a similar problem when I applied. Consider having a friend read through it for you to help cut down on the number of words.

patrick (ID=49) (Oct 23, 2001 10:25:13 PM)
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jzlthssw (ID=25) (Oct 23, 2001 10:25:18 PM)
Will do, Jen.

Peter Johnson (ID=33) (Oct 23, 2001 10:25:19 PM)
Thank you all for logging on, and good luck in your academic and professional endeavors!

Linda Abraham (ID=45) (Oct 23, 2001 10:25:25 PM)
Have a very good evening! Good luck with your applications!

Jen Nelsen (ID=46) (Oct 23, 2001 10:25:28 PM)
Same goes for me as well!

SM (ID=44) (Oct 23, 2001 10:25:39 PM)
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Linda Abraham (ID=45) (Oct 23, 2001 10:25:49 PM)
Good night!

Linda Abraham (ID=45) (Oct 23, 2001 10:25:52 PM)
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oonice (ID=55) (Oct 23, 2001 10:26:11 PM)
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oonice (ID=55) (Oct 23, 2001 10:26:52 PM)
Computer's down! Yes, thanks Peter and Jen! And best of luck to all!

Jen Nelsen (ID=46) (Oct 23, 2001 10:27:02 PM)
and good luck to you!

Chris (ID=54) (Oct 23, 2001 10:27:11 PM)
Thanks Peter and Jen! Bye bye!