MBA Admissions Strategies for 2003

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MBA: Admissions Strategies for 2003 (June 10, 2002)

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:10:34 PM)
Let's start.

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:10:44 PM)
Welcome to the first chat of the 2003 MBA application season!

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:10:51 PM)
First I would like to welcome our special guests: Paul Bodine, Sonia Michaels, and Cindy Tokumitsu. Paul, Cindy, and Sonia, all editors, have worked with hundreds of MBA applicants to top business schools over the last several years.

mba_hopeful (ID=22) (Jun 10, 2002 9:10:54 PM)
Thanks Linda

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:11:09 PM)
I encourage dialogue and discussion, but I would like to suggest a structure to make it easier to follow the threads of conversation. So here is the protocol: We will post material to the chat. If you have a question on that material, please type a ‘?’ and then your question. I and/or other participants will reply. If one of you wants to comment on the current topic, please jump right in. If you want to start a different topic, please type ‘?’.

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:11:19 PM)
If the crowd grows, I’ll announce that we are switching to a moderated format and make the switch.

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:11:29 PM)
Before opening the floor to questions, I would like to start with a few pieces of advice: First off, let’s discuss what all of you should be doing or have done at this point in time:

  1. Taken the GMAT  
  2. Thought about what you want to do post-MBA  
  3. Researched the schools  
  4. Decided on whom you want to ask to be your recommenders Domestic applicants: 
  5. Visited the schools or made plans to visit the schools while they are in session.

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:12:00 PM)
Those of you with an academic weakness should also be enrolled in some classes to show that you can handle the academic and quantitative demands of b-school. If you have not previously been involved in your community or devoted time to a non-professional pursuit, you should start doing so. Let’s focus on #3 -- Researching the Schools for a moment.

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:12:22 PM)
In exploring that topic, you need to evaluate which schools 

  1. Support your goals most effectively.
  2. Are likely to accept you. 
  3. Provide the kind of learning environment you’ll enjoy. 

After you choose where to apply you need to decide how to best market yourself. You know why you want to apply to these schools. Turn the tables around, though, and ask, “Why should the school accept you from the thousands of applications it receives?” “How will you uniquely contribute to the school and classroom discussion?” “What’s the fit between your interests and goals and the schools values and strengths?”

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:13:22 PM)
The key to answering the above questions is demonstrating fit with the school and individuality within the applicant pool. “Fit” implies an ability to compete and contribute based on your academic qualifications and professional experience. “Unique contribution” usually flows from the atypical aspects of your personal and professional experiences.

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:13:29 PM)
Now that we’ve finished that brief introduction, I’d like to open the floor to your questions.

CBSORBUST (ID=24) (Jun 10, 2002 9:14:32 PM)
Do I need to take any courses to upgrade my 3.1 GPA? I am an Engineer from a Top 10 Engineering school and have Good Quant scores overall

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:14:59 PM)
What is your quant score? Where did you get the GPA? How many years are you out of school? Is your work heavily quantitative?

CBSORBUST (ID=24) (Jun 10, 2002 9:15:37 PM)
University of TX in Mech Engineering / 710 GMAT (89% Q) / 3.5 Yrs out of school @ Big 5 doing large amt of IT work

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:15:57 PM)
Was there an upward trend to your grades or a really bad semester in there?

mba_hopeful (ID=22) (Jun 10, 2002 9:16:01 PM)
Linda - I am 31 - will that age go against me? My Undergrad GPA is 3.9, MS GPA 4.0, GMAT 770 and 8 yrs of experience... but did my MS back in 1996 PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 9:16:23 PM)
CBS, also were there any extenuating circumstances surrounding the GPA?

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:16:27 PM)
Let's post the question to everyone and not just me.

mafalda19 (ID=29) (Jun 10, 2002 9:17:02 PM)
How important is int'l work experience? I have a possible opportunity to go to Japan for 6 months, which will probably interfere with applying to schools in the fall as I planned. Should I consider deferring my application? the project would add to my resume in itself, outside of it being int'l

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:17:05 PM)
mba_hopeful that depends slightly on the schools you want to attend and what you want to do post-MBA, as well as what your reasons are for wanting an MBA now.

CBSORBUST (ID=24) (Jun 10, 2002 9:17:05 PM)
Not really any trend (Did work during 1 semester) - 3 or so bad semesters in between

Cy (ID=34) (Jun 10, 2002 9:17:09 PM)
? If one is reapplying to a school, is the previous application relevant? Specifically, in retrospect I know that my essays were extremely weak. Will my previous essays still be on the table when I am being considered next year? In other words, do my future essays need to explain shifts in goals, fit, etc.? SoniaMichaelsAccepted (ID=30) (Jun 10, 2002 9:17:16 PM)
mba_hopeful: I think it's most important that you establish your reasons for applying at this point in your essays. If you've got a good reason for applying now and not back when you were 26, make it clear.

mba_hopeful (ID=22) (Jun 10, 2002 9:18:01 PM)
well, I want to continue in the same industry and I think I can establish good reasons for not applying earlier.

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:18:17 PM)
If you want to take an entry level MC or IB position, you may have a little trouble being recruited for such a position at circa 34. So state your goals as something else. Also, aim for schools that are friendlier to older applicants: MIT, Wharton, Darden, Kellogg, INSEAD

PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 9:18:18 PM)
Mafalda, to me that would depend on how much your profile stands out already. If you are already an "unusual" you may not need the international experience to help your app. mba_hopeful (ID=22) (Jun 10, 2002 9:18:24 PM)
(btw, is financial consideration considered a good reason...just wondering) PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 9:18:38 PM)
an unusual applicant I mean

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:18:40 PM)
I also agree with Sonia's comments.

YNMIN (ID=28) (Jun 10, 2002 9:18:53 PM)
I have been exploring the list of schools I would like to apply to using the Web, and very frankly, there isn't much difference in what the schools say they are "unique" for, or for that matter, the type of students they are looking for - what am I missing? am I not looking carefully enough? mba_hopeful (ID=22) (Jun 10, 2002 9:19:07 PM)
Linda, but what if I say I am trying for a senior management position in the same industry as I am now (high tech) mafalda19 (ID=29) (Jun 10, 2002 9:19:08 PM)
int'l female 3 yrs of strategy MC mba_hopeful (ID=22) (Jun 10, 2002 9:19:30 PM)
(and I have reached the last technical stage and next logical step is management) CindyTokumitsuAccepted (ID=25) (Jun 10, 2002 9:19:35 PM)
Cy, to the best of my knowledge, most schools focus on the new material and may review the old application if they have any questions based on the new one. But in most cases they will evaluate you based on the new application. SoniaMichaelsAccepted (ID=30) (Jun 10, 2002 9:19:36 PM)
YNMIN, have you talked to any current or former students from the programs that interest you? Making contact with people who are/have been there can make all the difference.

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:19:38 PM)
YNMIN, also look at the education programs. Some are highly structured at least during the first year, some (Chicago) have only one required course. Some heavily use the case method -- HBS, Darden -- others are much more lecture oriented. Some rely a lot on teamwork (Darden, Wharton); others a little less so. I think YNMIN, you need to look deeper.

CBSORBUST (ID=24) (Jun 10, 2002 9:20:27 PM)
? So is there any consensus on whether or not classes will help for a 3.1 in Engineering

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:20:29 PM)
also, talk to current students and alumni.

PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 9:20:29 PM)
Mafalda, MC tells me that you fall into a very "typical" applicant pool so Japan might help individuate you. However, I would need to see your resume to give you my best advice. enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 9:20:33 PM)
Hi Linda mafalda19 (ID=29) (Jun 10, 2002 9:20:49 PM)
ok thanks

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:20:55 PM)
If you are in the US, visit the schools and you will really get a sense of the differences; if you are abroad, go to the schools' receptions, etc.

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:21:01 PM)
Yes. Enthu

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:21:23 PM)
CBSORBUST, yes, A's will help.

PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 9:21:28 PM)
Also, obviously your age is a factor. If you're 25 and can afford to wait another year then why not go for Japan and get some really great experiences? CindyTokumitsuAccepted (ID=25) (Jun 10, 2002 9:21:30 PM)
CBS -- I do think classes can only help. They will demonstrate you can excel in an academic environment, assuming you earn As. enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 9:21:40 PM)
I am a typical "Indian Male, IT, Consulting". How do I differentiate myself? mafalda19 (ID=29) (Jun 10, 2002 9:21:53 PM)
yes turned 25 in Jan

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:22:02 PM)
Enthu, do you have int'l experience, interesting hobbies, or unusual community service?

enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 9:22:12 PM)
I also have a prior MBA from a top Indian institute. SoniaMichaelsAccepted (ID=30) (Jun 10, 2002 9:22:15 PM)
enthu--differentiate yourself by who you are! What your interests & passions in life are, what gets you up in the morning! CindyTokumitsuAccepted (ID=25) (Jun 10, 2002 9:22:17 PM)
enthu -- look deeper than the categories; look to the details of your experience plus your extracurriculars. And your unique insight and perspective. SoniaMichaelsAccepted (ID=30) (Jun 10, 2002 9:22:25 PM)
community service

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:22:29 PM)
The prior MBA can be a negative and will require that you explain why you need another one.

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:22:38 PM)
Great advice, Cindy.

CBSORBUST (ID=24) (Jun 10, 2002 9:22:46 PM)
Would retaking the 710 help? -- I am confident I can upgrade it by spending less time on it than courses. enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 9:22:47 PM)
Yes Linda- Intl exp yes; Community service - A little; PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 9:23:00 PM)
Mafalda, Do you know Japanese? mafalda19 (ID=29) (Jun 10, 2002 9:23:08 PM)
not yet :-) enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 9:23:09 PM)
710 here too. Should I upgrade? nisha (ID=38) (Jun 10, 2002 9:23:24 PM)
Linda, CindyTokumitsuAccepted (ID=25) (Jun 10, 2002 9:23:27 PM)
CBS - I suggest the courses instead. The GMAT and courses tell the adcom different things; the courses will demonstrate academic capability.

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:23:31 PM)
Enthu, Cindy gave great advice with her suggestion to look to the details, but also bring out the int'l experience and the community service.

PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 9:23:37 PM)
I guess you won't learn it in 6 months but coming back with some proficiency would be impressive for your app!

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:24:03 PM)
If you have a 710 and a competitive GPA, I wouldn't retake it. Spend the time developing a hobby, volunteering, visiting the schools, or writing your essays. A 710 is a competitive score. No school will reject you because of your 710. They may reject someone with a 710 because they appear one-dimensional, dull, or have poorly written essays.

PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 9:24:43 PM)
Mafalda: bottom line--at 25 I wouldn't pass up a fun, growth type of experience like that just for B-school. Especially since it can only help your application. You have time . . . Cy (ID=34) (Jun 10, 2002 9:24:45 PM)
I'm currently on the waitlist at Cornell and NYU after applying and interviewing in the last round. I sent in a brief letter indicating continued interest, info on an accounting class I'm taking and an additional letter of recommendation. Is that as far as I should put it or is it reasonable to call my interviewer or send additional information? I'd hate to pester the admissions committee, but I'd obviously like to show continued commitment. enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 9:24:56 PM)
okay Linda... At HSW, I have seen only Bains/Mckinsey/Goldman as prior work experience. Do you think we stand a chance? PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 9:25:10 PM)
Welcome nisha!

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:25:11 PM)
Cy, keep sending in updates and demonstrating interest.

PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 9:25:22 PM)
Questions anyone? nisha (ID=38) (Jun 10, 2002 9:25:30 PM)
Linda, business schools want to know about the scholarships an applicant has ever earned. Would it be ok to mention merit-cum-means scholarships? Do I have to provide proof or certificates to show that I earned the scholarship? mafalda19 (ID=29) (Jun 10, 2002 9:25:55 PM)
Thanks Paul, another question: is the fact that I have only done MC a big deterrent for schools? how much does my being int'l / math major help differentiate? enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 9:26:35 PM)
Linda my previous question?

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:26:51 PM)
Enthu, from the little that you have written you are an unlikely admit at Stanford and HBS, but more likely at Wharton. But don't forget that there are other excellent schools out there. It is a mistake to simply say H/S/W or bust. No offense CBSORBUST :-)

PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 9:26:58 PM)
The interesting double major definitely helps you. MC is in no way a "big deterrent." It just puts you at a disadvantage in the "uniqueness" sweepstakes--i.e., standing out. CindyTokumitsuAccepted (ID=25) (Jun 10, 2002 9:27:13 PM)
Mafalda, I don't think only having done MC is a problem -- but you must show growth and insight from the experience.

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:27:16 PM)
Nisha, if you can easily fit it in, do so.

enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 9:27:18 PM)
Which other schools should I target then? CBSORBUST (ID=39) (Jun 10, 2002 9:27:20 PM)
None taken...

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:27:36 PM)
Enthu, what do you want to do post-MBA?

enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 9:27:45 PM)
Will concentrating on Chicago, Columbia, Michigan help?

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:27:47 PM)
That's the key question in my mind.

enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 9:27:47 PM)
MC... YNMIN (ID=28) (Jun 10, 2002 9:27:49 PM)
you suggested getting in touch with current students/alumni at schools I am interested in - can you suggest a way to do that if I don't have any such people in my "friends" circle? enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 9:28:09 PM)
Very definitely MC...

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:28:25 PM)
Look in to Columbia, Michigan, Darden, Tuck, NYU, Duke

CindyTokumitsuAccepted (ID=25) (Jun 10, 2002 9:28:36 PM)
YNMIN -- adcoms usually can put you in touch with students, who often enjoy talking about their experience in the program. Web sites often have links to the alum organizations. enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 9:28:39 PM)
Am already working with a Singapore based consulting firm. CBSORBUST (ID=39) (Jun 10, 2002 9:28:43 PM)
I second YNMIN's question - I actually have friends at the school, but how can that help me? enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 9:28:46 PM)
Thanks, Linda PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 9:28:46 PM)
Mafalda, the fact that you are female helps to "compensate" for the MC, as far as I'm concerned. It means you're a little less "typical."

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:29:03 PM)
CBS -- talk to them!!!

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:29:07 PM)
Ask them about the school.

SoniaMichaelsAccepted (ID=30) (Jun 10, 2002 9:29:09 PM)
CBS--ask your friends about their experiences, find out what they feel is unique about the program, what surprised them, etc! jmultari (ID=36) (Jun 10, 2002 9:29:12 PM)
I'm looking to enter an MBA program in the Spring. I've always had a strong interest in the private sector, but I find recent world events drawing me more towards public service. Would the skills that I acquire in an MBA program be an asset in a public sector position, particularly something dealing with Homeland Security?

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:29:13 PM)
are they happy there? Why ? Why not? What do they like and dislike? How are their friends doing with internship and job searches? You should have lots to talk to them about. :-)

nisha (ID=38) (Jun 10, 2002 9:29:27 PM)
I was looking at last years app form for Hass school of business. They want to know about articles or materials published. I don't have any. So should I just leave that question blank? Could you please suggest what to do in this matter? enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 9:29:33 PM)
Have three yrs of WE currently... Do you think that's on the lesser side for Wharton? PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 9:29:46 PM)
Jmultari, interesting question. Yes, definite need for MBAs in government I would think. SoniaMichaelsAccepted (ID=30) (Jun 10, 2002 9:29:58 PM)
nisha, if you don't have publications, that section isn't applicable. Just leave it out.

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:30:03 PM)
enthu, yes it is, but it will be four by next Sept.

PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 9:30:15 PM)
You need to define that career goal more specifically-- i.e., working for the federal government's new dept.? CindyTokumitsuAccepted (ID=25) (Jun 10, 2002 9:30:23 PM)
jmultari, definitely. And the goals add an element of diversity, which programs welcome. Be sure to provide a sound, solid rationale for your goals. CBSORBUST (ID=39) (Jun 10, 2002 9:30:25 PM)
? On the note of Job Searches, has anyone heard of MC's hiring This Year from any 1 particular school? (I know most MC's are barely hiring at all) enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 9:30:34 PM)
What are the kinds of Intl exp that are valued? enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 9:30:54 PM)
What are the kinds of community service that go well with adcoms??

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:31:02 PM)
Leadership. Experiences that caused you to bridge cultural gaps. Experiences that required initiative and teamwork.

jmultari (ID=36) (Jun 10, 2002 9:31:08 PM)
I would be most interested in the Dept. of Homeland Security, once up and running. Up until the Bush II administration, you heard very little about the value of MBA experience in govt. PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 9:31:15 PM)
Jmultari--maybe give them an interesting long-term private-sector career goal (after government) where an MBA is more traditional.

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:31:16 PM)
Community services, much the same as above

enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 9:31:21 PM)
Thanks... CindyTokumitsuAccepted (ID=25) (Jun 10, 2002 9:31:31 PM)
enthu--almost any int'l experience, as long as you have something to say about it! It's less the fact of it than what you gained from it. enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 9:31:45 PM)
Okay. PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 9:31:54 PM)
Well, even under the Clintons, Gore had an efficiency in government program that probably could have used MBAs

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:32:22 PM)
There actually was just an article in I think MBAJungle about MBAs in government.

PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 9:32:27 PM)
A career goal like that would definitely help individuate you. mba_hopeful (ID=22) (Jun 10, 2002 9:32:34 PM)
I have a question on Early Decision process - do the top 20 MBA programs have this early decision process?

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:32:40 PM)
But it has to make sense in light of your experience.

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:32:48 PM)

enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 9:32:52 PM)
I have worked in the US before. Do you think getting a letter of recommendation from my client CEO would help? Note, project was executed in 2000. Is it too old?

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:32:54 PM)
As far as I know only CBS has one.

PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 9:32:54 PM)
Especially if your undergrad major is a traditional pre-government major jmultari (ID=36) (Jun 10, 2002 9:33:16 PM)
would you recommend a particular concentration, with an eye towards a career in Homeland Security? mba_hopeful (ID=22) (Jun 10, 2002 9:33:21 PM)
?CBS = Columbia Business School I suppose?

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:33:23 PM)
enthu, it could be a good idea, but that also depends on your alternatives.

CBSORBUST (ID=39) (Jun 10, 2002 9:33:32 PM)
mba - yes nisha (ID=38) (Jun 10, 2002 9:33:35 PM)
How long should be the letter of recommendation (in terms of no. of words or pages)?

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:33:39 PM)
If you have stronger more recent options, then I would go with them.

PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 9:33:58 PM)
Jmultari -- I would have to think about that. Maybe a strong international business focus and good language skills? enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 9:34:07 PM)
Alternatives: Client director from a Middle east client... Very recent... Current in fact.

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:34:19 PM)
enthu, that sounds excellent.

mba_hopeful (ID=22) (Jun 10, 2002 9:34:24 PM)
?some recommended schools for majoring in MIS? jmultari (ID=36) (Jun 10, 2002 9:34:41 PM)
interesting. I've never thought about it from an int'l perspective, but a sound knowledge in int'l affairs would probably be particularly valuable PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 9:35:06 PM)
Or a strong operations focus? CindyTokumitsuAccepted (ID=25) (Jun 10, 2002 9:35:10 PM)
Nisha, it depends in part on the specific school, as they have various questions they ask. A couple of pages is typical, sometimes three. It's important to have some specific, illuminating examples. YNMIN (ID=28) (Jun 10, 2002 9:35:12 PM)
Work Experience, Age etc published by schools for the entering class – counted at time of application, matriculation, or admission?

enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 9:35:13 PM)
If I don't send the recommendation in the school format, would it matter a lot? Coz I can't ask the CEO sitting miles away for a customized recommendation every time.

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:35:17 PM)
MIT, CMU, NYU, UT, Stanford, Wharton for high tech.

mba_hopeful (ID=22) (Jun 10, 2002 9:35:39 PM)
thanks Linda

PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 9:36:09 PM)
Enthu, your CEO may actually let you draft the first draft yourself. could help you.

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:36:10 PM)
Enthu, that is a tough question. A few years ago, it really didn't matter. Now more schools are saying they really want THEIR questions answered. I still believe, however, that if you have an impressive recomemnder who wants to write you a meaty, substantive recommendation, I would go with that person even if he just attaches that great rec to the form and writes see attached (and fills out the grid).

nisha (ID=38) (Jun 10, 2002 9:36:38 PM)
Thanks for answering my previous questions. I have been working in my current job for one year only. Do you think its not long enough time to provide two letters of recommendations? CBSORBUST (ID=39) (Jun 10, 2002 9:36:43 PM)
? Linda, for my CBS app quest 1 (Long & Short term goals) I am putting a somewhat vague goal of either starting an MC or becoming a partner at 1. How important is it to be definitive?

enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 9:36:49 PM)
A friend of mine (Sitting next to me - Runa) wants to know if int'l exp is lacking, then can it be a good strategy?

enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 9:37:32 PM)
Thanks for the advice...

Cy (ID=34) (Jun 10, 2002 9:37:33 PM)
This is not exactly an MBA application question, but is somewhat related. I've noticed in several MBA program rankings, NYU's finance ranking is considered good, but their finance salary and 5-year salary figures are unimpressive. Does anyone happen to know why this is? I have some concern that perhaps NYU grads can fight their way into the bottom floor at investment banks, but will have trouble advancing. I think I have a fairly good shot at NYU either this year or next, and am interested in switching to IB post-MBA from software development. Thanks

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:37:34 PM)
Nisha, you should be able to provide two, but you may decide to do one from this job and one from a previous job.

PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 9:37:56 PM)
CBS--vague goals won't help you stand out. I would do everything you can to be specific

CindyTokumitsuAccepted (ID=25) (Jun 10, 2002 9:38:07 PM)
CBS -- very. I suggest focusing on one and mentioning the other as an alternative. Be specific as to why you are pursuing that goal, how you will achieve it in practical terms.

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:38:16 PM)
CBS or BUST, I think it is very important to be as specific as possible.

mafalda19 (ID=29) (Jun 10, 2002 9:38:34 PM)
?Linda, is it better to have one rec from each employer, all else equal CindyTokumitsuAccepted (ID=25) (Jun 10, 2002 9:38:50 PM)
Also, vague goals won't generate excitement. You have to try to get the reader to feel your own excitement and enthusiasm for your plans.

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:39:01 PM)
How long have you been with your different employers?

PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 9:39:06 PM)
Cy. Great question for NYU's adcom. I don't know the answer, sorry!

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:39:26 PM)
Cy, neither do I, but if you ask and get an answer, I'd love it if you share it with us.

YNMIN (ID=28) (Jun 10, 2002 9:39:45 PM)
? Work Experience, Age etc published by schools for the entering class – counted at time or application, matriculation, or admission?

mafalda19 (ID=29) (Jun 10, 2002 9:40:01 PM)
first year - promoted early, great rel with VP and now 2 yrs at the current one

nisha (ID=38) (Jun 10, 2002 9:40:16 PM)
About post MBA plan... I want to stay in tech sector and do an MBA. What kind of job opportunities exist in tech sector for MBAs?

PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 9:40:41 PM)
YNMIN, I would guess application or admission . . .

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:40:44 PM)
You should certainly have one from your current employer. If you think your previous employer would provide a stronger one than a second one from the current employer, then go with it.

CindyTokumitsuAccepted (ID=25) (Jun 10, 2002 9:40:50 PM)
YNMIN -- I always assumed at matriculation, but now that you ask, I'm not sure! Sorry.

mba_hopeful (ID=22) (Jun 10, 2002 9:40:50 PM)
nisha: I can answer this one - I know of some big high tech companies hiring MBAs as Director etc.

josh (ID=40) (Jun 10, 2002 9:40:55 PM)
Linda, I will reapply to CBS for 2003 fall. Waitlisted for 2002 then rejected. Since last application, not much has happened professionally or otherwise. And I want to reapply in the ED. Any strategy you can suggest? Thanks!

enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 9:40:59 PM)
What are the "Indian Heavy" schools? mba_hopeful (ID=22) (Jun 10, 2002 9:41:11 PM)
or at least senior manager where you build an organization YNMIN (ID=28) (Jun 10, 2002 9:41:17 PM)
I'll check with the adcoms and let you know :-)

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:41:23 PM)
YNMIN, work experience usually refers to WE at matriculation.

nisha (ID=38) (Jun 10, 2002 9:41:27 PM)
mba_hopeful, could you please name a few?

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:41:56 PM)
Josh, they're clearly interested. Make the most of any upward movement professionally and any initiatives taken personally...

CindyTokumitsuAccepted (ID=25) (Jun 10, 2002 9:42:18 PM)
Josh -- focus on the areas you can control, for example, get involved in volunteer efforts. Also, look for growth experiences at work -- things where you've learned something valuable -- even if they aren't big impressive advancements.

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:42:29 PM)
If you can, volunteer so that you'll have something to add.

PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 9:42:30 PM)
Enthu-- what do you mean by Indian heavy?

Cy (ID=34) (Jun 10, 2002 9:42:39 PM)
? I know that most schools (aside from Wharton) consider re-applicants in a somewhat negative light. Does this change for waitlisted students? In other words, if I am still waitlisted at a school is it a good candidate for reapplication or would I be better off focusing on different schools with much better essays, additional classes, etc. PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 9:42:46 PM)
High percentage of Indians? SoniaMichaelsAccepted (ID=30) (Jun 10, 2002 9:42:50 PM)
sorry, where are you applying to? I'm having trouble keeping up with the threads! enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 9:42:52 PM)
Am seriously interested in applying to Wharton. What reason should I focus on? I mean, what is the "sweet spot" for Wharton? mba_hopeful (ID=22) (Jun 10, 2002 9:43:07 PM)
nisha: for example, you can look at the hiring high tech companies for Stanford MBAs mba_hopeful (ID=22) (Jun 10, 2002 9:43:15 PM)
you will find quite a few names enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 9:43:15 PM)
Indian heavy - Large Indian Admits...

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:43:16 PM)
Cy, I don't think that's true. MIT, Darden, Columbia, Chicago. all these schools have said specifically that they like reapplicants.

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:43:28 PM)
They believe that reapplicants are truly  interested in their school.

Cy (ID=34) (Jun 10, 2002 9:43:37 PM)
Linda, good to hear. Thanks

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:43:51 PM)
You are correct that wait-list applicants are in a somewhat better position at any school where they reapply.

enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 9:43:57 PM)
Wharton - Strategy anyone??

PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 9:44:01 PM)
Enthu. I wouldn't think in terms of "sweet spot." There aren't any magic formulas. Just package yourself well and highlight your uniqueness. Wharton is big on the team play

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:44:23 PM)
Wharton likes breadth, int'l experience, and teamwork.

mafalda19 (ID=29) (Jun 10, 2002 9:44:39 PM)
how much more important it is to apply in round 1 or 2?

enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 9:44:47 PM)
Thanks. But do they have an abhorrence for the Second MBA?

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:44:49 PM)
To put it in a crass way they want people who will fill multiple checkboxes.

CindyTokumitsuAccepted (ID=25) (Jun 10, 2002 9:44:55 PM)
Wharton also seems to value essays (and therefore people, I assume) that are reflective, probing, to a degree more than other schools.

enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 9:45:10 PM)
Thanks Cindy...

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:45:12 PM)
Someone who is an accountant, and a small business person, and runs marathons, and volunteers for the homeless.

PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 9:45:22 PM)
Abhorrence is a strong word. But I think you would really have to do some explaining

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:45:28 PM)
They don't have to do everything simultaneously, but overtime, they have varied experience.

enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 9:45:47 PM)
Okay... that if I let it be... Don't really explain my second MBA?

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:46:21 PM)
mafalda, apply as soon as possible provided you don't compromise the quality of your application.

PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 9:46:22 PM)
If you apply then you have to explain the second MBA. No way round it.

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:46:35 PM)
It is more important for int'l applicants to apply early because of visa issues.

nisha (ID=38) (Jun 10, 2002 9:47:02 PM)
supervisors I am considering to ask for recommendation are not good writers. What should I do in such a case? I don't want to write it myself. Can provide some help?

enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 9:47:02 PM)
The Wharton graduate is broad-based... How does one differentiate, given the fact that everyone will pretty much mention about the same "checkboxes"...

mafalda19 (ID=29) (Jun 10, 2002 9:47:11 PM)
even if already in the US? CindyTokumitsuAccepted (ID=25) (Jun 10, 2002 9:47:25 PM)
Nisha, yes, we would be happy to help you with the rec.

mba_hopeful (ID=22) (Jun 10, 2002 9:47:38 PM)
Once someone is accepted, when does he/she have to notify the school accepting the offer? (I know it varies from school to school... but any general range?)

enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 9:47:40 PM)
Does offer services for differentiating one's applications.. What are the charges??

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:47:42 PM)
Nisha, we do help with letters of recommendation. After the chat, visit .

PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 9:47:47 PM)
Enthu-- by focusing on your own story. What can make you stand out? Harder for some than for others, but everyone's unique.

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:48:03 PM)
Enthu, yes we do. You can find information about our services at .

PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 9:48:03 PM)
Enthu--we charge extra for giving you a new identity. :-)

enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 9:48:25 PM)
Thanks Paul.

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:48:33 PM)
mba_hopeful that depends somewhat on when you are accepted.

mafalda19 (ID=29) (Jun 10, 2002 9:48:42 PM)
? does working for fortune 50 help? i.e. company that is a big recruiter at all MBA programs? any quid pro quo? mba_hopeful (ID=22) (Jun 10, 2002 9:48:43 PM)
assuming 1st round...

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:48:51 PM)
If you are accepted from one of the rounds, you usually have a few weeks.

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:49:09 PM)
If you are accepted off the wait-list, especially if it's late in the summer, you may not have much time at all.

patty (ID=17) (Jun 10, 2002 9:49:11 PM)

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:49:17 PM)
Hi, Patty.

CindyTokumitsuAccepted (ID=25) (Jun 10, 2002 9:49:28 PM)
mafalda, it helps in that you don't have to spend time explaining about the company in your essays. But otherwise, I don't think it matters as much as what you get out of and contribute to your company.

mba_hopeful (ID=22) (Jun 10, 2002 9:49:44 PM)
well, I am thinking about the situation when I am accepted from my 2nd preference school but wait-listed in my 1st preference school. what should be the strategy then?

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:49:52 PM)
mafalda, the size of your contribution matters more than the size of your employer.

YNMIN (ID=28) (Jun 10, 2002 9:50:09 PM)
? how big a negative is it if I cannot get a rec from my current employer due to the fear of losing my job? my best bet are college profs (graduated 5 years ago). am I toast?

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:50:13 PM)
mba_hopeful, I would need much more information, like which schools are we talking about...

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:50:26 PM)
what is your GPA, GMAT, professional background, etc.

enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 9:50:32 PM)
My friend (RUNA) asks: I haven NO Intl WE. How do I position myself? Is it a big negative? Profile: Indian female, 3 yrs WE, 710 GMAT.

CindyTokumitsuAccepted (ID=25) (Jun 10, 2002 9:50:33 PM)
YNMIN, that's a tough one -- five years is a long time. Is there someone else at your company who could write you a rec?

mba_hopeful (ID=22) (Jun 10, 2002 9:50:36 PM)
Linda: okay - say I have an admit from U of Texas at Austin and was wait-listed in HBS

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:50:51 PM)
enthu, your friend will have to find other ways to distinguish herself.

PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 9:51:00 PM)
YNMIN Anyone else in your company know you well enough to write an LOR?

mba_hopeful (ID=22) (Jun 10, 2002 9:51:01 PM)
my GPA 3.9, GMAT 770, background - 8 yr of work experience in high tech

enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 9:51:05 PM)
RUNA: Like what, Linda?

mba_hopeful (ID=22) (Jun 10, 2002 9:51:09 PM)
and MS in Canada with GPA 4.0

patty (ID=17) (Jun 10, 2002 9:51:14 PM)
Linda, I just signed on. Is this a forum where we can ask questions?

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:51:21 PM)
Probably looking at community services, hobbies, personal story, etc.

josh (ID=40) (Jun 10, 2002 9:51:22 PM)
I am from China but just got my green card. Will I be evaluated against other Chinese applicants or be considered a domestic applicant?

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:51:34 PM)
Yes patty, this is a chat devoted to 2003 MBA admissions.

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:51:47 PM)
Josh, both.

YNMIN (ID=28) (Jun 10, 2002 9:51:50 PM)
yes, but can't really trust anyone not to tell on me.

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:52:06 PM)
mba_hopeful, you have a tough choice.

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:52:20 PM)
I would try to defer UT.

CindyTokumitsuAccepted (ID=25) (Jun 10, 2002 9:52:23 PM)
Josh, I think you'll technically be considered a domestic applicant with a green card (at least at most programs). But the schools will evaluate your application in a meaningful context.

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:52:31 PM)
Have you been rejected off the wait-list at HBS?

mba_hopeful (ID=22) (Jun 10, 2002 9:52:35 PM)
defer for a year you mean?

PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 9:52:36 PM)
YNMIN, I would do everything you can to avoid relying on profs alone for your LORs

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:52:43 PM)
mba-Hopeful, yes.

enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 9:52:46 PM)
Runa: Am a Repplicant... Waitlisted AT CMU... If I get in, do you think I should defer to take another shot at the Top 10?

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:52:55 PM)
Runa, no.

mba_hopeful (ID=22) (Jun 10, 2002 9:52:57 PM)
Linda: no - I have not applied yet to any MBA school

PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 9:53:00 PM)
YNMIN, even if you have to ask someone who you work for at a community/volunteer organization

mba_hopeful (ID=22) (Jun 10, 2002 9:53:03 PM)
just gave my GMAT in April

enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 9:53:23 PM)
Runa: Any specific reasons, Linda?

PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 9:53:28 PM)
Runa. No, I would go to CMU mba_hopeful (ID=22) (Jun 10, 2002 9:53:36 PM)
thanks Linda - I was thinking about the same and hence choose 4 weaker schools which allow for deferral

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:53:37 PM)
mba-Hopeful so the whole HBS UT question is hypothetical?

patty (ID=17) (Jun 10, 2002 9:53:40 PM)
Linda: How does Harvard, Stan and other top schools view finance people (ibanking and private equity exp) that want to go into govt. , politics and or non profit for the long term

enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 9:53:48 PM)
Runa: Why Paul?

PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 9:53:56 PM)
Runa. It's an excellent program!

mba_hopeful (ID=22) (Jun 10, 2002 9:53:59 PM)
Linda: yes - of course... that's what I said too!

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:54:16 PM)
Runa, As Paul said it's excellent, particularly in MIS, your field.

mafalda19 (ID=29) (Jun 10, 2002 9:54:20 PM)
would a rec from a VP who is an HBS grad help more than other recs at HBS?

YNMIN (ID=28) (Jun 10, 2002 9:54:22 PM)
Paul... I am thinking along those lines (other people at work, community) etc... just trying to evaluate my risk because I do not want to loose my job :-)

PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 9:54:36 PM)
Runa, what's the point of risking a definite "in" at CMU?

CindyTokumitsuAccepted (ID=25) (Jun 10, 2002 9:54:36 PM)
Patty, it depends on the strength of your rationale and motivation for making the change, among other things. mba_hopeful (ID=22) (Jun 10, 2002 9:54:37 PM)
just wanted some advice on that general possible scenario when I have admit from 2nd pref but wait-listed in 1st pref

enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 9:54:43 PM)
Runa: MIS is not my field. MC is where I am headed to.

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:54:50 PM)
Patty, if you can explain why you want to switch and base it on experience and solid reason, I don't think they will have a problem with it.

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:55:04 PM)
OK mba_hopeful.

PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 9:55:08 PM)
YNMIN--any way you can broach the topic informally or indirectly with anyone to gauge their response?

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:55:16 PM)
Runa, do you want to do MIS consulting?

enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 9:55:24 PM)
No. MC...

PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 9:55:34 PM)
Runa, CMU is not just a MIS school

enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 9:55:34 PM)
That was Runa Speaking.

enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 9:56:01 PM)
Runa: Thanks.

rmk (ID=43) (Jun 10, 2002 9:56:12 PM)
Hi all, got in late. Don't know if you covered this but I was wondering what Linda thought about what you think the application scenario will be like next year... i.e. better or worse

Thinking (ID=44) (Jun 10, 2002 9:56:13 PM)

enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 9:56:18 PM)
Runa: If I don't get in, what should be my target schools?

YNMIN (ID=28) (Jun 10, 2002 9:56:22 PM)
Paul... I guess I will have to try if I am serious about getting in - seems like more current than profs is pretty darn important, right?

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:56:31 PM)
Runa, in that case, I would contact CMU's career placement center and find out whether CMU graduates were hired for the kind of consulting positions you would like to get. But it is an excellent school and is a shame to throw a way a sure admit for a maybe.

PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 9:56:42 PM)
YNMIN: In a word, yes enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 9:56:57 PM)
Runa: Thanks a lot Linda. That sure helps... YNMIN (ID=28) (Jun 10, 2002 9:57:13 PM)
thanks Paul!

Thinking (ID=44) (Jun 10, 2002 9:57:17 PM)
Linda: I am Chinese, first to graduate from US university, but with a 2.9GPA who had to work and take care of family. I am prepping for the GMAT. Any advice? Is H/S/W out of reach? My work is 5 years of private equity and age 28

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:57:19 PM)
rmk, crystal-ball gazing...

enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 9:57:22 PM)
Runa: Had a VERY positive feedback from Michigan. This made me rethink.

rmk (ID=43) (Jun 10, 2002 9:57:58 PM)
need some foresight. Have applied this year so deciding whether to take a pass

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:58:03 PM)
I think it will be similar because the economy is similar to the economy last year, maybe a little better.

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:58:12 PM)
rmk, have you been admitted?

PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 9:58:24 PM)
Thinking: how good is the US university?

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:58:25 PM)
You're welcome, Runa.

Thinking (ID=44) (Jun 10, 2002 9:58:42 PM)
Paul Bodine US university is Bucknell

PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 9:58:43 PM)
Thinking: everything else in your app would have to be stellar to compensate for the 2.9.

PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 9:58:51 PM)

mafalda19 (ID=29) (Jun 10, 2002 9:59:20 PM)
how much does rec from VP who is an HBS grad help at HBS?

rmk (ID=43) (Jun 10, 2002 9:59:27 PM)
yeah, admitted to one and still waiting on one

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:59:31 PM)
mafalda, it helps, but it doesn't guarantee.

josh (ID=40) (Jun 10, 2002 9:59:36 PM)
I started up a small company wholesaling computer hardware in China and later branched into small auto parts. but my current job is in the IT field. If I mention all the experience in the goal essay, will it sound that I am not too focused?

PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 9:59:38 PM)
Thinking, I would need to know more about you, though, to give you an answer

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 9:59:49 PM)
rmk, if the one that admitted you supports your goals, I would grab it.

Thinking (ID=44) (Jun 10, 2002 9:59:56 PM)
paul - like what

PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 10:00:10 PM)
Thinking: Worst case, you could make HSW your "long-shot schools"

PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 10:00:28 PM)
Thinking: I would have to see your resume to get a better picture of your qualifications

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 10:00:45 PM)
Thinking, can you take classes now and earn As in them to show that when you aren't under so much stress you can perform academically?

mba_hopeful (ID=22) (Jun 10, 2002 10:00:50 PM)
If I know the Senior Director but never worked for him directly, should I take rec from him. Or should I take recs from my senior manager and mentor whom I have directly worked with and who can provide references, with specific examples?

mafalda19 (ID=29) (Jun 10, 2002 10:00:52 PM)
how detailed should my resume be? i.e. have over 10-12 strategy engagements to talk about?

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 10:01:17 PM)
mba_hopeful, get recommendations from those close to you who can comment from personal experience on your work. If you are wait-listed, ask the director (and others) for additional recommendations.

enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 10:01:18 PM)
Runa: Assuming I don't get in: What are the "Reapplication Friendly Schools"?

SoniaMichaelsAccepted (ID=30) (Jun 10, 2002 10:01:20 PM)
josh--is there a thread that draws your experiences together? Can you show a logical progression from one experience to the next? It's OK to have varied experiences as long as you can show how you built on each one and how it connects to the next.

SoniaMichaelsAccepted (ID=30) (Jun 10, 2002 10:01:30 PM)
and to your goals on the whole.

Thinking (ID=44) (Jun 10, 2002 10:01:38 PM)
Paul: private equity experience for 5 years for private family. I trained at JP Morgan. I also spend a lot of time volunteering actively. And aced all the graduate courses in acct., finance, and quant at Morgan

CindyTokumitsuAccepted (ID=25) (Jun 10, 2002 10:01:39 PM)
mafalda, you should summarize the engagements, noting specific accomplishments that demonstrate various qualities/skills, such as interpersonal and leadership skills, etc.

rmk (ID=43) (Jun 10, 2002 10:01:47 PM)
I'm really concerned with economy and what the summer internship situation will look like Summer '03. Don't want to put myself into a tough position.

mba_hopeful (ID=22) (Jun 10, 2002 10:01:54 PM)
so the "title" of the recommender does not really matter?

rmk (ID=43) (Jun 10, 2002 10:02:14 PM)
Also my school is at the upper range of the top 20

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 10:02:29 PM)
mba_hopeful, the title is much less important than his/her relationship to you.

enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 10:02:32 PM)
Runa: My question anyone?

mafalda19 (ID=29) (Jun 10, 2002 10:02:32 PM)
what type of community service is preferable at Stanford? HBS?

mba_hopeful (ID=22) (Jun 10, 2002 10:02:58 PM)
rmk: can't you get a study leave from your company and do the MBA? that way your risk is less

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 10:02:59 PM)
rmk, I can't predict the economy, but as I understand it the internship hunt was actually somewhat easier than the job search. It requires less of a commitment from the firms, but keeps their options open for when they want to start hiring.

PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 10:03:13 PM)
Thinking: I would not tell you that you have no hope. But I would still target schools other than HSW as your main "competitive" schools.

CindyTokumitsuAccepted (ID=25) (Jun 10, 2002 10:03:28 PM)
mafalda, I don't believe that one or another type is preferable. Rather, the quality of your commitment and participation, and the impact you make, will matter more.

PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 10:03:41 PM)
Thinking: I'm not sure the PE for a private family helps you that much either.

nisha (ID=38) (Jun 10, 2002 10:03:50 PM)
In order to support participation in extra-curriculars, do we need to provide certificates also?

YNMIN (ID=28) (Jun 10, 2002 10:03:55 PM)
Applications ask you to list awards - do professional certifications (IBM, Microsoft etc.) count as “awards”, or does it seem like scrapping-the-bottom-of-the-barrel?

mba_hopeful (ID=22) (Jun 10, 2002 10:03:56 PM)
Paul and Linda: given my background and age, do you think I am overly ambitious by trying for Stanford, HBS and Wharton?

enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 10:04:03 PM)
Runa: My current CV is five pages long... Have discussed assignments (8-10) in depth... Do you think it is advisable to shorten it for the US schools?

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 10:04:10 PM)
Runa, Reapplicant friendly schools: Wharton, Chicago, Columbia, MIT. You may want to look at the chat transcripts from last year, because this question came up a lot last year.

Thinking (ID=44) (Jun 10, 2002 10:04:12 PM)
thx Paul. does the JP Morgan name help?

rmk (ID=43) (Jun 10, 2002 10:04:20 PM)
That's what I had thought as well but I have subsequently heard that this was a pretty tough year.

PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 10:04:25 PM)
Thinking: unless the family is maybe a prominent one? JP Morgan definitely helps no question

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 10:04:28 PM)
enthu/Runa, yes. shorten your CV.

CindyTokumitsuAccepted (ID=25) (Jun 10, 2002 10:04:32 PM)
YNMIN, those are not awards, they're certifications. You can mention them as certifications, on the application or your resume.

SoniaMichaelsAccepted (ID=30) (Jun 10, 2002 10:04:34 PM)
YNMIN--professional certifications don't count as "awards," but you should definitely be able to find a place for them on the application!

mafalda19 (ID=29) (Jun 10, 2002 10:04:37 PM)
of the top 10 which are more likely to be drawn to int'l types, speaking 2-3 foreign languages, having int'l work experience?

enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 10:04:43 PM)

YNMIN (ID=28) (Jun 10, 2002 10:04:53 PM)
thanks Cindy and Sonia!

enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 10:05:15 PM)
What's the time for the Maxx Duffy chat?

Thinking (ID=44) (Jun 10, 2002 10:05:17 PM)
prominent in terms of their pedigree and who they are as we manage a part of Harvard's endowment and the former dean of HBS MacArthurs private foundation money

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 10:05:17 PM)
mafalda, all of them will like it, but Wharton and Columbia come to my mind.

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 10:05:26 PM)
The next chat is at the same time.

PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 10:05:31 PM)
Thinking. Now you're talking!

Thinking (ID=44) (Jun 10, 2002 10:05:38 PM)
but I don't think it matters as they allocate lots of funds to all PE shops

enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 10:05:51 PM)

Thinking (ID=44) (Jun 10, 2002 10:05:52 PM)
my firm is just one of the tons of private equity firms

rmk (ID=43) (Jun 10, 2002 10:05:55 PM)
mbahopeful - I don't work as a traditional employer. Would not be a possibility. Even if I decided not to go this year I would have to leave my current employer because he knows I'm out the door (had to get employer rec)

PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 10:06:05 PM)
Is it your own firm--you run it?

Thinking (ID=44) (Jun 10, 2002 10:06:21 PM)
Paul/Linda: what weight is given to those with Private equity experience and then coupled with PE internationally as well.

Thinking (ID=44) (Jun 10, 2002 10:06:33 PM)
Paul - no I work with 9 partners and I am one of two associates

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 10:06:43 PM)
Thinking, it is impossible to quantify or weight factors, but the more pluses you can have on your application the better off you are.

enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 10:06:45 PM)
Runa: IS R1 app a must for the reapps? CindyTokumitsuAccepted (ID=25) (Jun 10, 2002 10:07:06 PM)
Thinking -- it depends on the relevance of that experience to your goals.

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 10:07:18 PM)
Runa, it is better certainly, but not at the expense of an inferior application.

PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 10:07:23 PM)
Thinking: I personally think PE is more unusual than traditional IB and MC. And international PE is even more non-typical. So it's good.

Thinking (ID=44) (Jun 10, 2002 10:07:23 PM)
I am just trying to figure out how to mitigate the 2.9. I don't think working full time is enough for adcoms.

josh (ID=40) (Jun 10, 2002 10:07:29 PM)
My stats: gmat 740 v83% q99% awa 4.5, ugpa 4.0, ggpa 3.62 in cs.

YNMIN (ID=28) (Jun 10, 2002 10:07:41 PM)
can anyone provide a basic differentiation between how a resume for an MBA application would differ from a resume for job? or are they the same (content, length, style etc.)

enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 10:07:48 PM)
What are the specifics I should take care of while applying at LBS?

enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 10:08:06 PM)
Any LBS "sweet spots"?

josh (ID=40) (Jun 10, 2002 10:08:07 PM)
how much of a shot do I have for Wharton, CMU, NYU and Kellogg?

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 10:08:11 PM)
Thinking, we have worked with applicants who had

Thinking (ID=44) (Jun 10, 2002 10:08:44 PM)
what do you mean work with applicants?

SoniaMichaelsAccepted (ID=30) (Jun 10, 2002 10:09:03 PM)
josh--beyond statistics, a lot depends on your goals, your experiences, how well you establish "fit" with these schools. So it's hard to say.

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 10:09:08 PM)
YNMIN, Paul and Cindy have written articles about that for Odds 'N Ends if you look at some of the back issues. Do either of you remember which issue?

CindyTokumitsuAccepted (ID=25) (Jun 10, 2002 10:09:13 PM)
YNMIN, they're similar, but not necessarily the same. In an MBA resume, it's good to clarify specific responsibilities, so that you don't have to explain everything in your essays. And you want to have a good "strategic alignment" between how you present info in your resume and in your essays. They should complement each other.

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 10:09:39 PM)
Thinking, is an admissions consultancy and essay editing service.

enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 10:09:51 PM)
LBS question anyone?

Thinking (ID=44) (Jun 10, 2002 10:09:53 PM)
what is the cost?

PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 10:10:03 PM)
YNMIN, also the fact that the apps give you space to provide some of the details normally put in a resume gives you more options than a job hunter normally has

Thinking (ID=44) (Jun 10, 2002 10:10:12 PM)
that sounds great since English is my 3rd language

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 10:10:16 PM)
Our services and fees are at .

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 10:10:32 PM)
Sure enthu. We'll try.

enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 10:10:34 PM)
Linda, what is the acceptance rate of

PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 10:10:50 PM)
Thinking. What are your first two? Cantonese and Mandarin?

Thinking (ID=44) (Jun 10, 2002 10:10:54 PM)

Cy (ID=42) (Jun 10, 2002 10:11:15 PM)
Just out of curiosity, do you have a schedule harassment service? Someone to hassle you and keep you on top of revision schedules so that essays are done, edited and revised in time for early submission?

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 10:11:19 PM)
Enthu, we haven't calculated yet for 2002, but for previous years our clients were accepted at a rate over 50% above most schools' overall acceptance rates.

YNMIN (ID=28) (Jun 10, 2002 10:11:26 PM)
thanks, Cindy and Paul!

enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 10:11:41 PM)
Thanks Linda.

SoniaMichaelsAccepted (ID=30) (Jun 10, 2002 10:11:42 PM)
Cy--we prefer to think of it as encouragement rather than harassment! :-)

CindyTokumitsuAccepted (ID=25) (Jun 10, 2002 10:11:47 PM)
Cy, that service is included in our regular services!

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 10:11:48 PM)
Cy, we're royal pains in the neck.

mba_hopeful (ID=22) (Jun 10, 2002 10:11:55 PM)
Linda: do you provide paid consultancy on school selection as well?

PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 10:12:08 PM)
Value-added! :-)

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 10:12:27 PM)
mba_hopeful, yes.

Cy (ID=42) (Jun 10, 2002 10:12:37 PM)
Great to hear, If I don't get accepted off the waitlists this year, I'm sure I'll hire you for the encouragement service alone.

uclalola (ID=47) (Jun 10, 2002 10:12:40 PM)
when will applications for fall 2003 be available?

josh (ID=40) (Jun 10, 2002 10:12:51 PM)
what distinguish yours from Sandy's service?

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 10:12:52 PM)
Cy, hopefully, you won't need us.

enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 10:12:54 PM)
Any specific LBS " sweet spots" ?

Thinking (ID=44) (Jun 10, 2002 10:13:13 PM)
Sandy is very expensive from what I hear and see on the site.

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 10:13:16 PM)
uclalola, some essay questions are already available.

PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 10:13:20 PM)
Enthu: strong finance profile and international exposure

rmk (ID=43) (Jun 10, 2002 10:13:25 PM)
Linda, do you always suggest that applying in the first round is the best strategy?

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 10:13:37 PM)
Wharton is for sure, and I think CBS, and Chicago or Kellogg.

PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 10:13:43 PM)
Sandy who?

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 10:13:46 PM)
Anybody want to correct me on those schools?

enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 10:13:54 PM)
I don't have a finance profile... How do I make up for the LBS profile?

uclalola (ID=47) (Jun 10, 2002 10:13:57 PM)
Linda, do you know what school are available? Cornell?

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 10:14:10 PM)
I don't know about Cornell, but I don't think so yet.

Thinking (ID=44) (Jun 10, 2002 10:14:13 PM)
Regarding Recommendations: What should they say and is there a strategy for each one?

PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 10:14:21 PM)
Enthu. I would need to see your resume, etc. to know whether you need to compensate for anything at LBS

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 10:14:46 PM)
Thinking, check out .

Thinking (ID=44) (Jun 10, 2002 10:14:52 PM)
I ask because two people asked me to write it

enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 10:14:52 PM)
Right Paul... Will that be a paid service?

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 10:14:55 PM)
We also have had articles in back issues of Odds 'N Ends.

SoniaMichaelsAccepted (ID=30) (Jun 10, 2002 10:14:56 PM)
rmk--rule of thumb is to apply as early as possible IF you're submitting the best possible application. Better to submit an amazing second-round app than a "just OK" first round app!

uclalola (ID=47) (Jun 10, 2002 10:14:59 PM)
what does early decision mean?

PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 10:15:09 PM)
Enthu, yes we would charge for that.

Thinking (ID=44) (Jun 10, 2002 10:15:22 PM)
I visited HBS - it is so international. Is there a quota system of acceptance?

enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 10:15:28 PM)
Okay... Shall send a pvt mail to you.

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 10:15:29 PM)
Have you had enough or should we continue for a little longer?

Thinking (ID=44) (Jun 10, 2002 10:15:40 PM)
little longer

PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 10:15:58 PM)
Enthu: Be glad to work with you!

CindyTokumitsuAccepted (ID=25) (Jun 10, 2002 10:16:01 PM)
Thinking: they should answer the questions in the application, providing illuminating examples. They should give fresh insight into you as a person and professional. the strategy should align with your overall application strategy for a specific school. The recs should complement other info but not be redundant.

enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 10:16:02 PM)
What are the "sweet spots" for Kellogg?

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 10:16:03 PM)
The best way to sign up for our service is to visit Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 10:16:10 PM)
E-mail works fine too.

enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 10:16:14 PM)
Thanks Paul.

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 10:16:28 PM)
Kellogg, teamwork, general management, community services.

uclalola (ID=47) (Jun 10, 2002 10:16:33 PM)
thanks for your time

PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 10:16:35 PM)
Enthu: community, community, marketing, and community

Thinking (ID=44) (Jun 10, 2002 10:16:42 PM)
thank you

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 10:16:46 PM)
Also, I want to warn about the idea of "sweet spots" or mantras.

enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 10:16:59 PM)
Thanks. Got it.

mba_hopeful (ID=22) (Jun 10, 2002 10:17:04 PM)
yeah - thanks Cindy, Linda, Paul and Sonia for your time and valuable advice

PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 10:17:08 PM)
Enthu: actually Linda's reply was more accurate

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 10:17:24 PM)
They are definitely concepts that you want to emphasize but the adcom members are not stupid. it isn't just sweet spots or buzz words. They want to see substance.

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 10:17:34 PM)
Paul, I thought yours was great! :-)

enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 10:17:41 PM)
Is Kellogg on a downward spiral? I  haven't heard great things about the school lately? Have you?

PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 10:17:48 PM)
Thanks :)

Cy (ID=42) (Jun 10, 2002 10:18:00 PM)
Do you usually suggest that recommenders send a single letter or do all the school-specific forms? This year I asked them to do the school-specific responses, but specifically reduced the number of schools to which I applied to three so that I didn't overburden my recommenders. If I want to apply to more schools next year (maybe 5 or so), is a single common letter from each recommender OK?

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 10:18:02 PM)
Enthu, as far as I know it is a great school. I haven't heard anything about it going down. But wait for the BW rankings in October.

enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 10:18:21 PM)

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 10:18:39 PM)
Cy, I actually addressed that briefly above. You can check the transcripts from last year.

Cy (ID=42) (Jun 10, 2002 10:18:50 PM)
Linda, oops sorry. Thanks all for the help.

rmk (ID=43) (Jun 10, 2002 10:19:04 PM)
Thanks Linda, Paul, and Cindy.

enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 10:19:05 PM)
What are the "sweet spots" for Darden?

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 10:19:20 PM)
Cy,Many school expressed a strong preference for their specific form. At the same time, you have to have real expectations for your recommender. You may want to review the transcripts to see which schools were tougher on that point. As I recall MIT was fine with a letter and not a form, but others had strong preferences going the other way.

Thinking (ID=44) (Jun 10, 2002 10:19:35 PM)
CY good ?

mba_hopeful (ID=22) (Jun 10, 2002 10:19:52 PM)
Most schools have 2 yr programs... but some have less. I know Kelley is one of the top 20 which has a 15 month MBA program. any other top 20 school with

Thinking (ID=44) (Jun 10, 2002 10:20:22 PM)
in terms of applications - Is multi app or embark ok?

enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 10:20:23 PM)
Darden's placement news? Anyone?

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 10:20:46 PM)
mba_hopeful: CBS, Cornell, Kellogg, INSEAD and I think LBS, but I'm not sure about LBS.

enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 10:20:49 PM)
Runa: For reapps,, do we need to send fresh rec letters?

PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 10:20:49 PM)
Thinking: both are fine, yes

Thinking (ID=44) (Jun 10, 2002 10:20:55 PM)
a friend from Darden is at Merrill Sales and trading

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 10:20:59 PM)
Multi-app is out of business I think. Embark is fine.

PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 10:21:05 PM)
I stand corrected

enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 10:21:07 PM)
Thanks, Thinking.

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 10:21:11 PM)
Runa, check with the schools.

enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 10:21:23 PM)
Runa: thanks, Linda

enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 10:21:42 PM)
Darden," sweet spots" ?

rmk (ID=43) (Jun 10, 2002 10:21:43 PM)
One more question, I am pretty sure this is no but is there any scenario where one could transfer among programs or any programs that consider it

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 10:22:10 PM)
enthu, social skills and teamwork. General management school.

Thinking (ID=44) (Jun 10, 2002 10:22:11 PM)
any outlook for this years apps? are they going to be up or flat?

mba_hopeful (ID=22) (Jun 10, 2002 10:22:24 PM)
European schools have 1 yr program. do they have same job placement stats as the USA schools? If it was same, then the return/ investment is surely much higher for them?

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 10:22:27 PM)
rmk: highly, highly unlikely, but I know it isn't impossible.

enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 10:22:28 PM)

PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 10:22:39 PM)
Enthu: also intimate, non-urban academic environment

enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 10:22:45 PM)
Is Darden a good place for MC?

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 10:23:02 PM)
mba_hopeful, my understanding is that it's harder to get a job in the US coming from a European school, but not impossible.

enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 10:23:15 PM)
What do you mean by "intimate" ?

CindyTokumitsuAccepted (ID=25) (Jun 10, 2002 10:23:21 PM)
enthu, yes, I believe so.

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 10:23:44 PM)
Enthu, but I'm not sure how much Bain, McKinzie, recruit there.

PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 10:24:22 PM)
Enthu: Smallish in terms of number of students

Cy (ID=42) (Jun 10, 2002 10:25:00 PM)
Thank you all again.

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 10:25:03 PM)
I want to thank all of your for participating and sharing your concerns and questions. I hope you found the answers and input both from the staff and other participants valuable. I especially want to thank Paul Bodine, Cindy Tokumitsu, and Sonia Michaels for participating this evening.

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 10:25:11 PM)
For more advice on admission strategy, please explore the Web site, especially the MBA section at . To learn about’s services, please visit .

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 10:25:24 PM)
Our next chat for 2003 Re-applicants will feature Maxx Duffy, former HBS admissions director and currently head of Maxx Associates, an MBA admissions consultancy. The chat will take place on July 17 at 6:00 PM Pacific Time/ 9:00 PM Eastern Time/2:00 AM GMT at .

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 10:25:33 PM)
We look forward to seeing you there. If you have any feedback or questions on this chat, please feel free to e-mail .

enthu_cutlet (ID=37) (Jun 10, 2002 10:25:50 PM)
Thanks everyone.

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 10:26:00 PM)
You're welcome!

PaulBodineAccepted (ID=26) (Jun 10, 2002 10:26:01 PM)
Good luck to everyone! Let us know  if we can help you.

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 10:26:31 PM)
Good luck with your applications!

CindyTokumitsuAccepted (ID=25) (Jun 10, 2002 10:26:33 PM)
Good luck to all the applicants! I hope we can help you with the process.

SoniaMichaelsAccepted (ID=30) (Jun 10, 2002 10:26:36 PM)
Yes, good luck!

mafalda19 (ID=29) (Jun 10, 2002 10:27:11 PM)
Paul, Linda and Cindy....thanks for the advice!

Linda Abraham (ID=32) (Jun 10, 2002 10:27:20 PM)
You're welcome. Good night.

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