2004 Indiana Kelley MBA Admissions Chat with Jim Holmen

2004 Indiana Kelley MBA Admissions Chat with Jim Holmen

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Linda Abraham (Feb 5, 2004 10:09:33 AM)
First I want to welcome you all to Accepted.com's Indiana University Kelley School of Business admissions chat.

Linda Abraham (Feb 5, 2004 10:09:44 AM)
I want to introduce the Indian team that's here today to field your question:  Jim Holmen, Director of Admissions and Financial Aid, Laurie Stearn, Sr. Assoc. Director of Graduate Career Services, Eunice Donovan, Assoc. Director of Graduate Career Services.

Linda Abraham (Feb 5, 2004 10:10:15 AM)
Patti Cudney, second year Marketing major. Patti is a graduate of U.C. Berkeley with a degree in Political Science. She previously worked as a Senior Account Executive with a public affairs consulting firm in San Francisco.

Linda Abraham (Feb 5, 2004 10:10:23 AM)
Steve Netter, second year Finance major, is a graduate of Indiana University with a degree in Marketing. He previously worked as Manager of Trading Services for Ameritrade Holding Corp. in New Jersey.

Linda Abraham (Feb 5, 2004 10:10:32 AM)
Rhasheda Nixon, second year Marketing major, is a graduate of Tuskegee University with a degree in Chemical Engineering. She previously worked as a Product Engineer with Ford Motor Company.

vb (Feb 5, 2004 10:10:45 AM)
I have a question regarding financial information; in the online application, there was a question about breakup of how is one going to arrange finances...I am hoping to get some kind of scholarship and then finalize everything, so I have given some approximate numbers there and will finalize them after I get an acceptance; is that okay?  Also, I am hoping its ok if I submit the supporting documents after I get a positive answer on my application from Kelley.

JimHolmenKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:11:28 AM)
vb-we need evidence of financial support from international students before we can provide the I-20 (visa documentation), but you can send it later, after receiving an admission decision.

cali001 (Feb 5, 2004 10:11:40 AM)
What are the steps Kelley is taking to improve their ranking? What ranking do you expect in this year's US News ranking?

Linda Abraham (Feb 5, 2004 10:11:56 AM)
I would like to start by asking Patti, Steve, and Rhasheda to tell us a little about what they did over the summer, and hope to do after graduation.

PattiCudneyKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:12:07 AM)
Ok, I'll start.  I worked at IBM in marketing this summer and I'm looking to get into retail marketing after I graduate in May.

SteveNetterKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:13:03 AM)
I worked in strategic planning at CenterPoint Energy in Houston this summer. I will be joining Intel after graduation as a Sr. Financial Analyst.

JimHolmenKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:13:14 AM)
cali--Its' hard to predict rankings, but the Kelley School is doing quite a bit to enhance its curriculum. We are rolling out a revised core next fall. We have a strong Leadership Development Institute, and unique Academies.

Linda Abraham (Feb 5, 2004 10:13:57 AM)
Steve, is that the kind of position you hoped to get when you decided to go to b-school?

SteveNetterKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:14:22 AM)
It was Linda - Intel was a company I targeted and the position is exactly what I was looking for.

WK (Feb 5, 2004 10:14:31 AM)
What percent of the 2004 class has job offers?

cali001 (Feb 5, 2004 10:14:59 AM)
Hi Steve, if you don't mind, can you share your pre MBA background with us?

EuniceDonovanKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:15:04 AM)
WK-We just started collecting employment data from our second year class, so we do not have those statistics yet.

GeoffW (Feb 5, 2004 10:15:30 AM)
What is the volume of applications so far this year compared to previous years?

SteveNetterKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:15:48 AM)
Sure Cali001. Before coming to Kelley, I worked in sales & marketing for a dotcom in NYC, then moved over to Datek Online, now part of Ameritrade, and managed their trading services department out of NJ.

Linda Abraham (Feb 5, 2004 10:15:53 AM)
Steve and Patti, what do you like best at Kelley? What would you like to see improved?

JimHolmenKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:16:21 AM)
GeoffW- after a record number of applications for Fall 2002, applications have dropped each of the last two years. Quality is still high, but applications are down. We have two deadlines to go, so were not sure where we'll be at the end.

PattiCudneyKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:16:26 AM)
I like the Academies a lot, and it's something we're making a larger part of the curriculum this fall. I'm in the Sports and Entertainment Academy and have learned a lot.  I also think the people here are amazing.

cali001 (Feb 5, 2004 10:16:44 AM)
Steve, so you didn't have any finance background, but did you major in finance?

SteveNetterKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:16:47 AM)
I concur with everything Patti just said.

Linda Abraham (Feb 5, 2004 10:16:47 AM)
Patti, could you tell us a little bit about how the Academies work?

SteveFan (Feb 5, 2004 10:17:02 AM)
Can you tell us a little about the Sports and Entertainment Academy, Patti?

SteveNetterKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:17:20 AM)
Cali001 - I had a marketing/customer service background and came to Kelley to make the switch to finance. I am a finance major.

dan1 (Feb 5, 2004 10:17:43 AM)
When will decisions from the Dec. deadline be released?

PattiCudneyKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:17:52 AM)
The best way for me to describe the Academies is a cross between a club and a class. The Sports Academy has guest speakers, one law class, consulting projects and a white paper. Steve and I actually worked on a project together for the Houston Texans over the past year.  You get amazing contacts within your field of interest - Consumer Marketing, Investment Management, Healthcare, etc.

cali001 (Feb 5, 2004 10:18:00 AM)
So change is not that impossible; so happy to hear that!

JimHolmenKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:18:27 AM)
dan1-we're stuffing the decision packets today, and expect to have them in the mail tomorrow.

SteveNetterKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:18:36 AM)
Many students make a career switch when they go for their MBA, so it's definitely a viable option Cali001.

cali001 (Feb 5, 2004 10:19:29 AM)
What are the consulting companies looking for?  I am currently in telecom marketing, and want to switch to technology consulting; is it a viable idea?

SteveFan (Feb 5, 2004 10:19:34 AM)
What do you want to do after you graduate, Patti? Do you hope to work in the business side of the sports and entertainment world?

PattiCudneyKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:20:14 AM)
I am looking into retail marketing, but when I first got here I was definitely focused on sports marketing. I still have a dream of being the first female Commissioner of the NFL.

Rich (Feb 5, 2004 10:20:18 AM)
I applied to Kelley through the Consortium for Graduate Study in Management. I met the December 1st deadline. Have you started mailing out decision letters?

Linda Abraham (Feb 5, 2004 10:20:48 AM)
Eunice, how is recruiting going for the class of 2004?

JimHolmenKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:20:57 AM)
Rich-first round decisions should hit the mail tomorrow!

Rich (Feb 5, 2004 10:21:14 AM)

PattiCudneyKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:21:16 AM)
cali001 - I know AT Kearney and Deloitte were on campus this year. There's also a Management Consulting Club which does a lot of outreach and networking in the industry.  Eunice - were there others?

GeoffW (Feb 5, 2004 10:21:29 AM)
Do you notify applicants of merit awards with the initial application decision?  If not, when are those mailed?

EuniceDonovanKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:21:30 AM)
Linda, in regard to recruiting, we are seeing signs of improvement in the market. However companies continue to be cautious in their hiring.

SteveFan (Feb 5, 2004 10:21:36 AM)
Patti, what internship did you have over the summer? Did that influence your change?

Linda Abraham (Feb 5, 2004 10:21:51 AM)
Eunice, what are the signs of improvement?

JimHolmenKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:22:04 AM)
Geoff--merit aid awards follow the admit mailing by a couple of weeks.

PattiCudneyKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:22:37 AM)
Steve, I was in marketing at IBM. It influenced my decision in that I don't want to work in technology, but I decided pretty soon after arriving here and being involved in the Academy that I'd rather delay my entry into sports business.

EuniceDonovanKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:22:42 AM)
Patti - Design Forum was also on campus last semester. In addition, the Consulting Academy is visiting several consulting firms in Chicago today and tomorrow.

SteveFan (Feb 5, 2004 10:23:21 AM)
Why do you want to delay entering the sports field? Is it hard to get into right now?

Linda Abraham (Feb 5, 2004 10:23:59 AM)
Steve, are there any factors that you believe particularly helped you obtain that job offer?

cali001 (Feb 5, 2004 10:24:10 AM)
Patti: Do you expect more companies to come later this year? I have been going through the KMC (Kelley Management Consulting Club) website for the last few days and I got a bunch of information.  Is there any selection process to join the club?

PattiCudneyKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:24:18 AM)
Steve, it's a hot area, but the opportunities for people with an MBA aren't easy to find. They also don't pay as well and you don't get an opportunity to use as much of your b-school training as I'd like. So I want to build up my resume as a marketer before moving into sports.

silly (Feb 5, 2004 10:24:25 AM)
Patti, do all the consulting companies hire internationals?

Linda Abraham (Feb 5, 2004 10:24:37 AM)
Jim, how do you use the interview in the admissions process?

SteveFan (Feb 5, 2004 10:24:46 AM)
Interesting. Thanks, Patti.

PattiCudneyKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:25:08 AM)
The club actually used to be an Academy, but now as a club anyone can join after they pay their MBA Association dues. Companies may still come this school year, but Eunice probably has a better handle on that.

SteveNetterKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:25:16 AM)
Linda--Besides my charm and wit? Well, my internship gave me some practical strategy and finance experience that Intel liked.  Besides that, the curriculum here at Kelley prepared me to excel in Intel's difficult technical interviews.

PattiCudneyKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:25:44 AM)
silly - I know a few international students who are working for consulting firms, but again I'd defer to Eunice in terms of any career recruiting questions.

Linda Abraham (Feb 5, 2004 10:26:14 AM)
Steve, could you repeat where you interned?

EuniceDonovanKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:26:20 AM)
Linda - we are in the process of pulling together our first report on offer status so we don't have data now. However, the companies that call in are more upbeat and we are hearing informally from our second year students about offers they are receiving.

JimHolmenKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:26:25 AM)
Linda- the interview provides us an additional opportunity to get to know a candidate, and to better understand their interest in an MBA in general, and the Kelley MBA program in particular. We also can learn more about what they can contribute to the Kelley MBA community.

Linda Abraham (Feb 5, 2004 10:26:31 AM)
Did you feel that Indian's Career Services were helpful? If so, in what way?

SteveNetterKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:26:32 AM)
Linda -- I interned at CenterPoint Energy in Houston, TX.

dan1 (Feb 5, 2004 10:26:32 AM)
The deadlines that are given for financial aid, for example March 1-is that only for grants, assistantships etc, or is that for loans as well? I would assume that there is more time to apply for loans.

PattiCudneyKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:27:07 AM)
Career Services is very helpful - both providing interviews on campus as well as resources to help in an off-campus job search.

SteveFan (Feb 5, 2004 10:27:10 AM)
How should one approach letters of recommendation when they work in a family business?

Linda Abraham (Feb 5, 2004 10:27:59 AM)
Follow up to SteveFan's question, how are the letters used in the evaluation process?

SteveNetterKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:27:59 AM)
Linda -- Career Services was integral in my obtaining the Intel offer. Intel took part in our on campus recruiting which opened the door for me to be seen by some high level people.

PattiCudneyKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:28:02 AM)
SteveFan - do you have any clients or companies you've worked with who know you well enough to write a recommendation? That's one idea.

JimHolmenKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:28:06 AM)
dan1-all admits are considered for merit aid (scholarships and assistantships). There is no additional application. The March 1 deadline is for need-based aid (loans), but the deadline is just for submission of the FAFSA to the government. It applies more to undergrads then grads. March 1 doesn't matter to us.

SteveFan (Feb 5, 2004 10:29:10 AM)
I probably have a few clients who would be happy to write a recommendation letter for me. Thanks for the suggestion.

SteveNetterKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:29:16 AM)
Linda -- recommendation letters are a great way for our admissions counselors to get another perspective on the applicant.

JimHolmenKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:29:25 AM)
With respect to recommendations when you work in a family business, try to find recommenders you aren't related to! Perhaps clients or customers that you have had significant experience with.

EuniceDonovanKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:29:36 AM)
Silly - ATK hired two international students last year for internships and Deloitte has hired international students in the past. Much of student success in the job market depends on their individual qualifications, background, and ability to articulate how they can add value to a company.

WK (Feb 5, 2004 10:29:46 AM)
Jim - Did you also see a decrease in the pool of international applicants?

Linda Abraham (Feb 5, 2004 10:29:48 AM)
Jim, you mean a recommendation from your grandmother won't cut it?

SteveFan (Feb 5, 2004 10:30:23 AM)
What if I had one recommendation from a family member and two from clients?

JimHolmenKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:30:25 AM)
Believe it or not, we have received recommendations from parents. They always seem a bit biased...

WK (Feb 5, 2004 10:30:26 AM)
What would you like to see in an applicant with a technical background?

JimHolmenKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:30:38 AM)
SteveFan-that would work.

cali001 (Feb 5, 2004 10:30:40 AM)
Eunice: Is it possible to apply from outside (using the alumni network) and get into consulting firms?

SteveFan (Feb 5, 2004 10:30:48 AM)
Did you read those recommendations, Jim?  Did they get accepted?

JimHolmenKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:31:03 AM)
WK-we've seen decreases on both the domestic and international side.

EuniceDonovanKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:31:30 AM)
cali001- Can you please clarify your question?

WK (Feb 5, 2004 10:31:35 AM)
Patti - Will there be any new academies created this year, such as e-commerce?

PattiCudneyKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:31:42 AM)
Applicants with technical backgrounds are generally good on the quantitative side, so it's nice to show balance in other business skills such as management, writing, teamwork, etc.

Rich (Feb 5, 2004 10:32:01 AM)
Do you know the number of Consortium Fellowships Kelley will offer this year?

Linda Abraham (Feb 5, 2004 10:32:09 AM)
Eunice, how is recruiting and hiring going for international students?

JimHolmenKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:32:22 AM)
SteveFan- we read everything we receive. One of the recommendations I received from a father was actually a negative recommendation! Perhaps he had an ulterior motive of keeping his son home and working...

PattiCudneyKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:32:23 AM)
There will be new Academies as they are expanded to all students - B2B Marketing, Corporate Finance, Operations Management, and the Healthcare Academy is renamed Life Sciences Academy.

SteveFan (Feb 5, 2004 10:32:25 AM)
How is the adjustment for international students in the beginning?

cali001 (Feb 5, 2004 10:32:26 AM)
Eunice: Lets say I am interested in BAIN, and I apply from outside with the help of an alumni in BAIN.  Is it possible to get into BAIN this way?

Paul_Bodine (Feb 5, 2004 10:32:27 AM)
What's the biggest mistake applicants make in their essays?

SteveNetterKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:32:58 AM)
Paul_Bodine -- Not differentiating themselves and misspelling Kelley :)

GeoffW (Feb 5, 2004 10:32:58 AM)
What is the most unusual thing you have read in an essay?

JimHolmenKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:33:15 AM)
Rich- we're hoping for 24 Consortium fellowships for first year's.

PattiCudneyKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:33:32 AM)
SteveFan - we have a great orientation process to help international students adjust and because it's such a team-based environment there's automatic inclusion from the start.

RhashedaNixonKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:33:33 AM)
Hi Rich, I am also a Consortium student at Kelley. If you have any more questions let me know as well.

Rich (Feb 5, 2004 10:33:43 AM)
How many Consortium applications did you receive?

EuniceDonovanKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:34:28 AM)
Linda - as with students at all schools, conducting a US job search is very challenging for international students because of the economy and the number of H1B visas being significantly decreased.

PattiCudneyKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:34:40 AM)
GeoffW - we actually like to read question 3 about the road trip participants and have seen a lot of interesting combinations of people.

RhashedaNixonKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:34:41 AM)
As of now, our applications from the Consortium are still coming in.

JimHolmenKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:34:46 AM)
Rich- we don't know how many yet.  We receive them slowly from the Consortium Office as they pull all the pieces and parts together, make copies, and forward them to the schools.

Linda Abraham (Feb 5, 2004 10:34:56 AM)
If an applicant has a less than desirable GPA and wants to show that he or she can now perform in an academic environment, is the applicant better off taking classes in a traditional environment or in a distance learning program, where perhaps he or she could take more classes because the program is self-paced?

Linda Abraham (Feb 5, 2004 10:35:38 AM)
For Rhasheda, Steve, and Patti: What do you like best at Kelley? What would you like to see improved?

PattiCudneyKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:35:40 AM)
Linda - do you mean prior to enrolling in an MBA program or as their MBA program?

JimHolmenKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:35:43 AM)
Linda- we'd see value in either format (traditional or distance learning).

EuniceDonovanKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:35:47 AM)
International students who are able to adapt to the US market and can communicate their skills and experience to employers effectively increase their probability of success. We have several initiative and workshops in place to provide support to our international student job seekers.

PattiCudneyKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:35:51 AM)
The people are definitely the best asset.

Linda Abraham (Feb 5, 2004 10:35:58 AM)
Patti, both.

SteveNetterKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:36:15 AM)
Linda -- The student/faculty interaction is unmatched by any other top program. It's a huge plus.

Linda Abraham (Feb 5, 2004 10:36:44 AM)
Eunice, do you also provide assistance if the int'l student wants to return to his or her home country or work elsewhere abroad?

PattiCudneyKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:36:50 AM)
I didn't have a lot of quant background and thought about taking pre-MBA classes but didn't. Thanks to the team-based learning environment here I think I learned a LOT more than I would have in a self-paced environment where I wouldn't have as much interaction with classmates.

cali001 (Feb 5, 2004 10:37:26 AM)
How different will the core be in 2004 from 2003?  Will there be only minor changes or a revamp?

RhashedaNixonKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:37:29 AM)
Linda, I really enjoy the people as Patti mentioned. I like the collaborative environment and the accessible faculty. Tuskegee was a very small institution and Kelley, even though it is on a big campus, feels like a small close knit environment.

Linda Abraham (Feb 5, 2004 10:37:46 AM)
Steve, what kind of interaction? Do faculty members come to student events, hang out in the student lounge, or are they available in their offices? What makes it different?

JimHolmenKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:38:19 AM)
cali001- the core is moving to one semester (from a semester and a half) allowing more flexibility for students to begin taking what they want second semester.  The curriculum and core will also more formally include leadership, career, and professional development.  You can learn more by visiting our website (www.kelley.indiana.edu/mba).

EuniceDonovanKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:38:44 AM)
cali001 - Many MBA recruiting companies (consulting firms included) have core schools at which they recruit. Although Bain does not come to campus, using our alumni network, faculty/career services, and other contacts can help get your foot in the door. The Consulting Academy and career services provides workshops and resources to help prepare you for a job search in this industry.

SteveNetterKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:38:53 AM)
Linda -- We have student/faculty mixers, as well as the professors have an open door policy for students to come and chat or ask questions. For example, one of our finance professors worked at Intel while on sabbatical from Kelley, so I talked to him several times during my interview process.  Plus, we have a faculty auction during which members of the Kelley faculty put up dinners, events, etc. for bidding, with the proceeds going to charity. The faculty and the students both attend this event off campus and it's a great time.

PattiCudneyKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:38:56 AM)
cali001 - in addition to what Jim said, the Academies will also now be for all students.

RhashedaNixonKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:39:22 AM)
There are several students that have been to several faculty member's houses for different events. The faculty here REALLY get involved in the extra-curricular activities the MBAA plans.

cali001 (Feb 5, 2004 10:39:32 AM)
Jim: So I would assume there will be more opportunities to take electives in first year; is this correct?

SteveFan (Feb 5, 2004 10:39:44 AM)
How was the application value in Round 1? Was it down from last year?

JimHolmenKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:40:01 AM)
Applications were down in the first (and second) rounds.

PattiCudneyKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:40:15 AM)
cali001 - yes, you will be able to take electives at the start of the second semester instead of waiting until the latter half of that semester.

SteveFan (Feb 5, 2004 10:40:48 AM)
So are you going to accept more people in the last rounds?

EuniceDonovanKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:41:11 AM)
Linda - In regard to international students conducting a home country search, one of the initiatives we are currently working on is to develop an international contact database so that these students can connect with the appropriate recruiting contacts at companies of interest in their home country.

dan1 (Feb 5, 2004 10:41:34 AM)
How is the volume relative to 2000- 2002 - not just last year?

Linda Abraham (Feb 5, 2004 10:41:38 AM)
Thanks Eunice. Do you think the database will be functioning by next year?

JimHolmenKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:41:42 AM)
SteveFan--too early to tell. As a previously mentioned, although numbers are down overall, the quality of those who have applied is high.

WK (Feb 5, 2004 10:42:15 AM)
Jim - Thank you. A question about essays: What order do you follow when reviewing essays, by the essay number or randomly? I noticed Kelley's #2 is about impact on past employers, and #4 is about contribution to Kelley MBA community, while many schools want applicants to address contribution in the second essay.

Linda Abraham (Feb 5, 2004 10:42:17 AM)
Jim, when you talk about "quality," are you referring to GMAT, GPA, work experience?

JimHolmenKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:42:26 AM)
dan1- I don't have specific numbers. We haven't been tracking applications by comparison to 3 or 4 years ago, just in relation to the last two.

EuniceDonovanKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:42:54 AM)
Linda - The database is a work in progress and we are planning to share the info. we have gathered thus far in a few weeks.

JimHolmenKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:43:02 AM)
Linda- yes, all the quantifiable, and less quantifiable measures are strong.

SteveNetterKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:43:08 AM)
WK - We read all essays cover to cover. There's no specific order.

Linda Abraham (Feb 5, 2004 10:44:10 AM)
For Patti, Steve, and Rhasheda: What do you wish you would have done before starting your MBA that would have made the beginning/transition easier? Did you do anything especially effective that helped you?

cali001 (Feb 5, 2004 10:44:14 AM)
When will the classes start? I think it is first week of September; any advice when I should move there?

PattiCudneyKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:44:35 AM)
I'm definitely glad I visited campus before I started - it gave me a better feel for Bloomington coming from San Francisco.

JimHolmenKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:44:46 AM)
cali- Jumpstart begins Aug. 9, international orientation Aug. 12, and orientation for everyone Aug. 14. Classes begin Aug. 30.

SteveNetterKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:44:59 AM)
Linda -- Unfortunately, I ended work on a Friday and started orientation the next Tuesday. So I would suggest taking some time off to recharge and to get ready to hit the program head on.

PattiCudneyKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:45:01 AM)
You should move in early August, maybe sooner depending on the availability at local apartment complexes.

RhashedaNixonKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:45:24 AM)
Cali001- I made the mistake of quitting work in August and moving down here 4 days later. Most people come in late July. I definitely recommend coming early so that you can get settled.

GeoffW (Feb 5, 2004 10:45:38 AM)
Are there any apartment complexes which are well suited for MBA students?

SteveFan (Feb 5, 2004 10:45:43 AM)
To the students, what clubs are you active in?

PattiCudneyKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:45:52 AM)
Geoff, Woodbridge, Fountain Park, Steeplechase and The Fields.

SteveNetterKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:46:07 AM)
SteveFan -- mostly the Finance Guild.

PattiCudneyKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:46:14 AM)
I'm in the Marketing Club and Graduate Women in Business.

cali001 (Feb 5, 2004 10:46:31 AM)
How I can use the next 6 months so that I am prepared best for the classes?

PattiCudneyKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:46:42 AM)
All three of us are also in the Sports and Entertainment Academy.

Linda Abraham (Feb 5, 2004 10:46:44 AM)
Jim, how do you view applications from applicants who had previously declined an offer of admission from you?

JimHolmenKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:46:57 AM)
Geoff- housing is easy to find in Bloomington, and affordable. MBAs are highly sought after tenants!

cali001 (Feb 5, 2004 10:46:58 AM)
Can I be a member of both the consulting and marketing club?

PattiCudneyKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:47:03 AM)
cali, spend quality time with your family and friends - because you get busy!

PattiCudneyKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:47:19 AM)
cali001 - yes. You can be a member of 2 clubs.

SteveFan (Feb 5, 2004 10:47:21 AM)
How do you become part of the Sports and Entertainment academy?

SteveNetterKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:47:29 AM)
Cali001 -- Don't get too stressed out over the next 6 months. You'll have enough once you get here. But just try to sharpen your mind. Read some books, both pleasure and business related, start trying to think critically, and have fun.

RhashedaNixonKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:47:36 AM)
Stevefan- I am in Marketing club, BMBAA, Net Impact, Graduate Women in Business and The Strategic Leadership Club. However, I am not fully active in all. You have to pick and choose which ones to be actively involved in and which ones you might just attend events

Linda Abraham (Feb 5, 2004 10:47:38 AM)
Eunice, along the lines of cali's question, are there steps prospective students can take before they get to Indiana which will help them with their internship and permanent job search next year and the year after?

PattiCudneyKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:47:51 AM)
Steve, it's an application process, which I think is changing due to the expansion of the Academy system. Information will come to admitted students once it's available.

JimHolmenKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:48:02 AM)
Linda- each year we have a few reapplicants who had been offered admission, but turned us down. Our decision depends on why they turned us down the first time, and how they have used the time since their last application.

SteveFan (Feb 5, 2004 10:48:16 AM)
What is the Graduate Women in Business club?

cali001 (Feb 5, 2004 10:49:16 AM)
So it is advisable to get an apartment nearest to the school?

PattiCudneyKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:50:07 AM)
If you don't have a car, yes. Woodbridge and Fountain Park are right on the bus line. If you have a car then it doesn't matter as much. Overall, Bloomington isn't that big so distance isn't a matter unless transportation is an issue.

RhashedaNixonKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:50:15 AM)
It's a support club for women. However, we have had men join in the past. We do a lot of activities in the community, helping admissions with recruiting events and we also have guest speakers and recruiters speak on women's issues in the workforce.

JimHolmenKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:50:20 AM)
cali- many of the apartment complexes most popular with students are a mile and a half or so from campus. All students are provided a city bus pass as part of their student fees, and bus service is pretty good in Bloomington.

Linda Abraham (Feb 5, 2004 10:50:31 AM)
What is the role of students in the admissions process?

cali001 (Feb 5, 2004 10:50:41 AM)
Is the parking in the campus free?

EuniceDonovanKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:50:58 AM)
Linda - we recommend that they try to focus in on what they want to do career-wise. Also, we encourage them to begin thinking about how they want to present their professional accomplishments on a resume or in an interview. In addition, we recommend that they maintain the personal and professional networks they have developed thus far and to also begin networking with people in companies and industries of interest to them.

PattiCudneyKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:51:05 AM)
We all had the opportunity to serve as hosts for perspective students last year, and the three of us are now on the the Admissions Committee.

JimHolmenKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:51:27 AM)
We have seven second year students who serve as admission counselors, facilitating interviews and serving as full members of the admissions committee. They all applied, were interviewed, selected, and trained.

Linda Abraham (Feb 5, 2004 10:51:38 AM)
Patti, do you actually review applications and make recommendations?

Linda Abraham (Feb 5, 2004 10:51:58 AM)
I guess from Jim's answer, your answer is "yes!"

JimHolmenKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:52:00 AM)
cali--there is a fee for a parking pass.

PattiCudneyKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:52:09 AM)
Yes, Steve, Rhasheda and I are all Admissions Counselors and make recommendations to Jim. As he said, we're all trained well.

cali001 (Feb 5, 2004 10:52:24 AM)
What is the number of students in last 2 years, and what is the expected number of students this year?

Linda Abraham (Feb 5, 2004 10:52:29 AM)
For anyone who reads applications, what makes a candidate jump off the page -- in a positive way?

Linda Abraham (Feb 5, 2004 10:52:44 AM)
cali, do you mean enrolled students or applicants?

JimHolmenKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:52:49 AM)
cali--were looking to bring in a class of about 250, the same as the past two years.

cali001 (Feb 5, 2004 10:52:53 AM)
I am just trying to find out how the economy has affected the class size.

SteveFan (Feb 5, 2004 10:53:11 AM)
Do most applicants interview on campus? Is it seen as a downside if you don't come to Kelley to interview?

PattiCudneyKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:53:12 AM)
Linda, showing us something different about themselves - not just the same things most applicant have.....leadership, work experience, drive to succeed. What TRULY makes people different is what I like to see.

Rich (Feb 5, 2004 10:53:29 AM)
Is there any way to view my admission status online?

PattiCudneyKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:53:42 AM)
Rich - sorry, but no.

JimHolmenKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:53:50 AM)
SteveFan- many applicants interview on campus, and we interviewed others while on the road recruiting. We offer some phone interviews by invitation to applicants.

RhashedaNixonKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:54:03 AM)
For me if the essays are original, different and well planned that lets me know they put time and effort into their application.

WK (Feb 5, 2004 10:54:12 AM)
When reading applications, what's your reaction when you find typos, or even misspelling of school names?

JimHolmenKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:55:03 AM)
WK--while I am understanding, a number of typos and misspellings makes me question the candidates attention to detail and sometimes even their interest if they didn't take the time to polish their application.

SteveNetterKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:55:33 AM)
WK - we notice them, but it ultimately will not make the decision for us. Remember, the essays tell us about you but also show us how well your written communication skills have developed. By misspelling words or putting the wrong school name puts a negative light on the essays. Just make sure to spell Kelley correctly.

GeoffW (Feb 5, 2004 10:55:43 AM)
Do you offer feedback to candidates who are declined admission?

JimHolmenKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:56:16 AM)
GeoffW--for those who request feedback, we will provide written critiques during the summer, after we complete the current admissions cycle.

Linda Abraham (Feb 5, 2004 10:56:40 AM)
Do you have advice for wait-listed applicants?

SteveFan (Feb 5, 2004 10:57:24 AM)
How do you evaluate reapplicants?

JimHolmenKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:57:39 AM)
Linda- wait list candidates should make sure we know that they are still interested! They are welcome to send any new or updated information that may strengthen their candidacy. If they didn't interview, perhaps they should consider making a campus visit.

Linda Abraham (Feb 5, 2004 10:57:50 AM)
Eunice, do you see fields or industries where hiring is picking up or where it is still really lagging?

PattiCudneyKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:57:59 AM)
Steve, we look to see if they received feedback and if they've made efforts to address those areas. We also like to see an updated resume and, if applicable, updated essays and recommendations.

SteveFan (Feb 5, 2004 10:58:32 AM)
Do you conduct new interviews for a reapplicant?

Linda Abraham (Feb 5, 2004 10:59:05 AM)
Jim, are wait listed applicants compared to applicants in later rounds?

EuniceDonovanKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:59:07 AM)
Linda - life sciences is picking up. We've also seen banking and consulting beginning to turn around. Telecomm is still lagging.

JimHolmenKelley (Feb 5, 2004 10:59:26 AM)
SteveFan- for reapplicants, we take a look at what factors were less competitive in their previous application, and then take a look at what they have done to strengthen deficiencies. What have they accomplished since their last application? We will consider interviewing a reapplicant.

WK (Feb 5, 2004 10:59:28 AM)
Eunice - thank you for your answer earlier. Are there many students seeking technical positions in the finance industry?

SteveFan (Feb 5, 2004 11:00:02 AM)

cali001 (Feb 5, 2004 11:00:25 AM)
Do you have any document describing the revised core?

GeoffW (Feb 5, 2004 11:00:27 AM)
Is the MBA program involved with the BioCrossroads Initiative in Indiana for the life sciences industry?

JimHolmenKelley (Feb 5, 2004 11:00:32 AM)
Linda- while most waitlist decisions are made after we see how we are doing towards meeting our enrollment goals (usually in late-May), I do keep my eye on the wait list and see how they stack up to applicants in later rounds.

EuniceDonovanKelley (Feb 5, 2004 11:00:40 AM)
WK- Most of our students are looking for finance or marketing related positions. Not many that I know of are seeking technical positions.

PattiCudneyKelley (Feb 5, 2004 11:00:51 AM)
cali001 - the updated core is in the view-book.  It is also on the website.

SteveFan (Feb 5, 2004 11:01:42 AM)
What support do you have for students with families?

cali001 (Feb 5, 2004 11:01:43 AM)
Eunice: What percent of the class generally goes for consulting?

PattiCudneyKelley (Feb 5, 2004 11:02:08 AM)
SteveFan - we have a Partners Club which is a great resource for students with partners and/or children.

EuniceDonovanKelley (Feb 5, 2004 11:02:28 AM)
GeoffW-Yes, one of Career Services' initiatives for this fall is to host a Life Sciences Symposium and we are partnering with BioCrossroads to put this event together.

cali001 (Feb 5, 2004 11:02:30 AM)
Patti:  Can you please give me the link?

PattiCudneyKelley (Feb 5, 2004 11:02:54 AM)
www.kelley.edu/mba/curriculum/currdesign.cfm .

WK (Feb 5, 2004 11:03:01 AM)
Jim, what types of assistantships are available to first year students?

GeoffW (Feb 5, 2004 11:03:06 AM)
What percentage of grads remain in Indiana after attending Kelley?

JimHolmenKelley (Feb 5, 2004 11:03:14 AM)
SteveFan- we have an active group called the Partner's Club for spouses and partners of MBAs. They are a very active organization, and current members help entering partners as well. We also have a staff member who serves as a relocations coordinator, helping families get information about everything from day care to housing.

PattiCudneyKelley (Feb 5, 2004 11:04:22 AM)
GeoffW - a lot of students stay in the Midwest since most of our core recruiting companies are located in this area. As for Indiana specifically, I'm not sure. My roommate definitely is - she's going into finance at Eli Lilly.

JimHolmenKelley (Feb 5, 2004 11:04:28 AM)
WK- our grad assistant assignments in the Business School range from teaching assistantships to research assistantships with a professor to more administrative responsibilities within an office in the Business School.

EuniceDonovanKelley (Feb 5, 2004 11:05:04 AM)
GeoffW- If you go to the career services website (www.kelley.iu.edu/gcs) you can see a geographic breakdown of where Kelley students work after graduation.

SteveFan (Feb 5, 2004 11:05:13 AM)
Thank you to everyone from Kelley and Accepted.com for this great chat!

WK (Feb 5, 2004 11:05:43 AM)
Jim - Is it possible for an first-year student to find assistantships from other departments? Will you discourage this?

GeoffW (Feb 5, 2004 11:05:44 AM)
Jim -- What range of tuition/fees do the assistantships normally cover?

cali001 (Feb 5, 2004 11:06:15 AM)
When is admitted students weekend?

PattiCudneyKelley (Feb 5, 2004 11:06:23 AM)
Feel free to keep in touch: pcudney@indiana.edu .

SteveNetterKelley (Feb 5, 2004 11:06:27 AM)
If you have any additional questions, you can email me at snetter@indiana.edu .

PattiCudneyKelley (Feb 5, 2004 11:06:31 AM)
Admitted Students Weekend is 4/16-18.

JimHolmenKelley (Feb 5, 2004 11:06:32 AM)
Assistantships have values of between $6,000 and $13,000 for 6 to 12 hours of work a week (part fee remission, part stipend).

RhashedaNixonKelley (Feb 5, 2004 11:06:40 AM)
My email is rhnixon@indiana.edu  if anyone has questions after the chat.

JimHolmenKelley (Feb 5, 2004 11:06:53 AM)
We don't encourage assistantships outside of the School of Business, but it is up to the students.

PattiCudneyKelley (Feb 5, 2004 11:06:54 AM)
Steve and I are planning the weekend so it's bound to be a lot of fun!

Linda Abraham (Feb 5, 2004 11:07:00 AM)
Thank you again all for participating this evening. Special thanks to Jim, Laurie, Eunice, Patti, Steve, and Rhasheda for joining us this evening.

EuniceDonovanKelley (Feb 5, 2004 11:07:06 AM)
cali001 - 15% of the Class of 2000 and 7% in the Class of 2003 went into consulting.

Linda Abraham (Feb 5, 2004 11:07:07 AM)
We look forward to seeing you at future admissions events. Coming up:

SteveNetterKelley (Feb 5, 2004 11:07:20 AM)
Linda -- Thanks for having us.

JimHolmenKelley (Feb 5, 2004 11:07:28 AM)
Feel free to e-mail me with any other questions (jholmen@indiana.edu) .

Linda Abraham (Feb 5, 2004 11:07:33 AM)
Best Practices for 2005 MBA Admissions (http://www.accepted.com/ecommerce/teleseminar.aspx ) on February 11. Accepted.com is hosting its first teleseminar, which will focus on what you can do NOW to improve your chances for next year.

JimHolmenKelley (Feb 5, 2004 11:07:36 AM)
Thanks all...

EuniceDonovanKelley (Feb 5, 2004 11:07:37 AM)
Thank you Linda for facilitating this chat. Best of luck to all of you! Laurie & Eunice (GCS)

PattiCudneyKelley (Feb 5, 2004 11:07:42 AM)
Thanks Linda!

Linda Abraham (Feb 5, 2004 11:07:46 AM)
Wait-list Chat -- On Tuesday February 17, 2004 at 6:00 PM PST (7:00 PM Mountain Time; 8:00 PM Central Time; 9:00 PM EST), I will provide the Five Key Steps for Wait-listed Applicants. If you would love to attend the school(s) that waitlisted you, then you can't miss this chat. You need to know these five critical steps if you want to change your status from "Wait-listed" to Accepted. Please check http://www.accepted.com/chat/schedule.htm#mba  for details.

RhashedaNixonKelley (Feb 5, 2004 11:07:49 AM)
Linda, thanks for organizing this!

Linda Abraham (Feb 5, 2004 11:07:50 AM)
You're all very welcome.

Linda Abraham (Feb 5, 2004 11:08:00 AM)
Good luck with your applications!

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