MBA: Wait-List Chat — March 11, 2002

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Wait-List Chat 


Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:08:53 PM)
Let's start.

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:08:55 PM)
First I want to welcome you all to's waitlist chat.

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:09:13 PM)
Thanks for joining. Special thanks to Cindy Tokumitsu, an editor, who will be helping me out this evening.

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:09:37 PM)
I'm going to review some material that I provided at last year's wait-list chat and then open the floor to questions.

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:09:45 PM)
First of all realize that receipt of a wait-list letter means you qualified for admission. You passed. You are probably on the wait-list (and not admitted) because they have already admitted applicants with your profile and want diversity in the class. Or they found your qualifications impressive, but found someone else's even more so.

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:09:52 PM)
Second, read the letter for any hints of deficiency in your profile. If the school encourages contact, do so as I will outline in a moment.

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:10:00 PM)
Third and most important if the school encourages contact, give them more reasons to admit you and demonstrate your serious interest in the program. This implies developing a sales campaign or schedule of contact. The exact particulars may vary depending on your school and specialty, but here are suggested components:

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:10:13 PM)
Regular updates from you informing the school of new achievements, initiatives, and developments in your life. These should consist of concise 1-2 page letters that provide the schools with additional reasons to admit you and reinforce the idea of a fit between you and the school.

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:10:23 PM)
Additional letter(s) of recommendation.

howard (ID=30) (Mar 11, 2002 9:10:28 PM)

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:10:32 PM)
Visit the school if possible and offer to meet with adcom members if appropriate for your school and field.

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:10:49 PM)
Ask if there is anything you can do to improve your candidacy. (There usually isn't, but if there is you want to know about it and do it.)

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:11:07 PM)
For tips on the letter's content, please see the essay tip in last month's Odds and Ends at this link

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:11:22 PM)
Have any of your received a wait-list letter or are you here just in case?

t (ID=34) (Mar 11, 2002 9:11:41 PM)
I have received one, at my top choice

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:11:48 PM)
At which school?

lena (ID=35) (Mar 11, 2002 9:11:54 PM)
I have received a waitlist email today...Ph.D. in Social Psychology

BongSoak (ID=31) (Mar 11, 2002 9:11:55 PM)
I have one too.

t (ID=34) (Mar 11, 2002 9:11:58 PM)

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:11:59 PM)
also please indicate if it's b-school, med school, or law school.

t (ID=34) (Mar 11, 2002 9:12:12 PM)

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:12:14 PM)
BongSoak, which school?

lena (ID=35) (Mar 11, 2002 9:12:19 PM)

BongSoak (ID=31) (Mar 11, 2002 9:12:20 PM)
b-school of CMU

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:12:38 PM)
For all of you the good news is that you are still in the running.

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:12:49 PM)
It's not as good as acceptance, but a whole lot better than rejection.

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:13:08 PM)
I would now like to open the floor to questions. You can ask your questions about responding to a wait list letter or other aspects of writing and graduate admissions. Just please indicate the type of program you are applying to since this is a multi-specialty chat.

ELJETFAN (ID=33) (Mar 11, 2002 9:13:25 PM)
Hi Linda. Waitlisted Round 1 @ UMich MBA program.

BongSoak (ID=31) (Mar 11, 2002 9:13:35 PM)
Pete, R1

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:13:37 PM)
El, have you sent in a wait-list letter?

ELJETFAN (ID=33) (Mar 11, 2002 9:13:47 PM)
No. Not yet.

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:13:54 PM)
Did the letters you received recommend any action?

lena (ID=35) (Mar 11, 2002 9:14:02 PM)

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:14:23 PM)
Do you have any questions?

vic (ID=40) (Mar 11, 2002 9:14:28 PM)
Hi Linda .. I got a waitlist letter from Purdue...they didn't recommend any action

BongSoak (ID=31) (Mar 11, 2002 9:14:43 PM)
Linda, I sent additional recommendation to the school. What would be next action?

ABC (ID=32) (Mar 11, 2002 9:14:45 PM)
if I am indifferent to attending b-school this or next year (cbs), do I run a risk of attempting to get off the waitlist this year and then not attending?

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:14:50 PM)
Vic, has anything new happened at work or in extra curricular activities?

lena (ID=35) (Mar 11, 2002 9:14:57 PM)
How often people get off those lists--grad-school programs?

vic (ID=40) (Mar 11, 2002 9:15:08 PM)
no nothing much since I had applied just 2 months back

vic (ID=40) (Mar 11, 2002 9:15:23 PM)
I plan to get a peer recommendation...will that help ?

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:15:27 PM)
Bong Soak, you want to call and make sure they received it. You also want to be thinking about asking additional people to send in additional recs. You should also consider visiting CMU if you haven't already done so, perhaps even if you already have done so.

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:16:02 PM)
Vic, yes that will help, especially if the peer is a current student or alum, but the peer doesn't have to be.

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:16:40 PM)
Lena, I don't have statistics, but they do get off. Anecdotal evidence is that if they do nothing, they stay on until they are rejected. If they are proactive, they are more likely, although certainly not assured, to be accepted.

BongSoak (ID=31) (Mar 11, 2002 9:17:44 PM)
Linda, OK, Then, is it good to make my recommender, CMU grad, to call adcom for more recommendation?

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:18:04 PM)
ABC, if you work the wait-list and have people send in recs, and call, etc., and then postpone without a compelling reason, you will not be providing evidence of commitment or character. If something happens that changes your plan, either good or bad, the school can understand. But if you are not committed, maybe you are just better off waiting and applying again next year.

getit08 (ID=26) (Mar 11, 2002 9:18:52 PM)
Linda, I am planning to visit Fuqua, as I only did an alum interview. Any idea how to make the best of the trip?

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:19:12 PM)
Bong, yes, you should ask your recommender to call or submit an additional recommendation, especially if s/he is a CMU alum.

lena (ID=35) (Mar 11, 2002 9:19:34 PM)
About recs: how should they be different from previous ones? I had 4 recs in my application in the beginning, and I do not know whom to ask now.

ELJETFAN (ID=33) (Mar 11, 2002 9:19:37 PM)
Linda, what do you do when you are clueless as to why you were waitlisted? I had a 3.9 GPA undergrad and my work experience is absolutely killer (CFO of dating service, entrepreneur, and 4 years Wall St. including 2 yrs at Goldman Sachs). I was actually insulted when I was waitlisted because I networked like hell at Michigan. My only weaknesses are 660 GMAT (less than 1 standard deviation difference) and community service.

BongSoak (ID=31) (Mar 11, 2002 9:19:44 PM)
Linda. Thanks.

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:19:47 PM)
getit, take a tour, attend a class. Make sure you visit while class is in session. Let your contact person know ahead of time you will be there and offer to meet. Then, after the visit send in a letter and tell them how much the visit confirmed that Fuqua is the right choice for you and why. Obviously send thank you notes to people who took you around.

ErinR. (ID=47) (Mar 11, 2002 9:20:31 PM)
I got deferred at my top school, which is heads and shoulders above the schools I have gotten into so far. What do you think the chances are of really being accepted after a deferral???

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:20:47 PM)
Lena, current recs should emphasize either how weaknesses aren't weakness, what you have done recently, or if from an alum or student, your fit with the program that you are trying to get into.

chem (ID=48) (Mar 11, 2002 9:22:04 PM)
Hi! I am on hold at uofc, I just interviewed. I'm really nervous about how it went.

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:22:10 PM)
El, you just answered your own question. The GMAT and lack of community service. So start volunteering in something important to you and let them know what you are doing. You may not get a A+ for long-term commitment, but at least you are doing something. Regarding the GMAT, if you had an area of weakness, take a class in that area to show you are improving.

chem (ID=48) (Mar 11, 2002 9:22:32 PM)
Can I email the dean who interviewed about my status in the hold pool?

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:23:25 PM)
Erin, I can't answer that. I don't have enough information. I can say as I said above that a proactive response to the wait-list status is more successful than an inactive or passive response, unless the school strongly discourages contact.

vic (ID=40) (Mar 11, 2002 9:23:33 PM)
Is it appropriate to call the school and ask the reason of being waitlisted so that one can improve on that aspect?

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:23:41 PM)
Chem, what would you put in your e-mail?

getit08 (ID=26) (Mar 11, 2002 9:23:51 PM)
Thanks, Linda. Any comments on someone who pointed entrepreneurship as main career goal in this year's app?

chem (ID=48) (Mar 11, 2002 9:24:25 PM)
I just wanted to ask her where I stand (i.e. good chance or not really)

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:24:30 PM)
Vic, you certainly can contact the school, either via phone, e-mail or letter, and ask if there was any specific weakness because you would like to address it. Some schools will tell you.

ErinR. (ID=47) (Mar 11, 2002 9:24:32 PM)
What should I do? Another recommendation? Another writing sample? What do you suggest might help? (it's Brooklyn law school by the way)

lena (ID=35) (Mar 11, 2002 9:24:54 PM)
Is it OK to write letters to PEOPLE like Dean, Department Chair, Director of Graduate program, even if they did not interview you? Something like :" Your school is a top choice for me..."

chem (ID=48) (Mar 11, 2002 9:25:21 PM)
I've already sent them a writing sample and letter describing an upcoming internship at the US patent office.

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:25:23 PM)
Chem, you can try it. Sometimes they'll tell you, especially later on in the year, but I don't think you'll get much information now, because it probably depends on who accepts their offers.

ELJETFAN (ID=33) (Mar 11, 2002 9:25:58 PM)
Do you think community service is really a sufficient reason to preclude someone from B-School?

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:26:38 PM)
Erin, I suggest you give them more reasons to admit you by discussing the initiatives you have undertaken and accomplishments you have achieved since you applied. Also, have your fan club send in additional letters of rec. For law school, they like to see leaders, analyzers, and writers. Have your recommenders discuss your abilities in those areas. If you have an obvious weakness, then ask your recommenders to comment positively on your skills in that area.

pete (ID=27) (Mar 11, 2002 9:27:11 PM)
ELJETFAN, probably you have not differentiated yourself from the other applicants with the same background in the essays, just my 2 cents...?

let_me_in (ID=45) (Mar 11, 2002 9:27:22 PM)
For a b-school waitlist, how much should we rehash the essays? I'm having a hard time with my letter not restating "why school x" or "it's a great fit because."

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:27:50 PM)
El, lack of community service and a low GMAT for your field can definitely hurt you when applying to highly competitive schools in a brutally competitive year. Pete's point is also well taken.

chem (ID=48) (Mar 11, 2002 9:27:52 PM)
Should I try to send uofc any other materials?

t (ID=34) (Mar 11, 2002 9:28:21 PM)
Hi, re B-school: I've sent in a letter addressing my "faults" and promised to attend if offered admission. I've asked a second manager at my company for another rec, and am going to offer to visit the school and interview again. I have also contacted alumni. Any other ideas to impress the committee?

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:28:22 PM)
let, good question. You don't want to rehash the essays. These letters should add value. Give them more info or a different perspective. You can say how recent conversations with students and alums have strengthened your conviction that School X is right for you and vice versa.

rx7rules (ID=46) (Mar 11, 2002 9:28:41 PM)
Linda, do you have any Kellogg school specific recommendations on getting off their waitlist?

ErinR. (ID=47) (Mar 11, 2002 9:28:54 PM)
would it be bad to have the same recommenders write or should I find all new people to write letters for me? I had the best of the best of my professors write the first time, I don't know if I had others write additional letters if they would be strong or not.

chem (ID=48) (Mar 11, 2002 9:29:19 PM)
can you ever appeal a rejection?

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:29:29 PM)
t, you're doing the right things. Keep them up.

ELJETFAN (ID=33) (Mar 11, 2002 9:29:29 PM)
I'm not trying to fight your suggestions, but it is absolutely impossible for someone to have similar experiences to me.

Chinapple (ID=44) (Mar 11, 2002 9:29:47 PM)
Linda, I am waitlisted by Columbia. I was asked to contact the Waitlist Manager every three weeks to confirm that I am still willing to be on the list. It does not offer feedback session concerning why I was waitlisted. I was told that I may send in additional stuff, but please be reminded that the volume won't help. So, should I simply send in some additional info every three weeks?

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:29:51 PM)
rx7, I don't have specific recommendations for Kellogg, but last year on the BW Forum there was an excellent message posted about getting off Kellogg's WL. The number is #11110.25. I think you'll find that message jives with much of the advice I'm giving here.

ELJETFAN (ID=33) (Mar 11, 2002 9:30:14 PM)
I'm scratching my head as to the real problem.

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:31:34 PM)
Erin, I think it would be better for you to ask for additional recs from others, unless the professor has a connection with the school. Then ask him to write again. Also ask him again, if you really don't have others who can write. Keep in mind that employers, supervisors in community service activities, and peers can also write a rec.

vic (ID=40) (Mar 11, 2002 9:31:42 PM)
I am looking for the e-comm specialization....I had taken the recs from my boss who is an e-comm specialist and another from the school alumna who is also currently in e-comm. My GMAT score is 690. Should I retake it to improve my chances ?

cindy tokumitsu (ID=24) (Mar 11, 2002 9:32:33 PM)
EL -- you also might want to take a critical look at your application, e.g., did you present yourself as well as possible in your essays? Did the essays show insight and contain vivid examples, as well as highlighting your accomplishments?

t (ID=34) (Mar 11, 2002 9:32:38 PM)
Linda, what's the craziest thing you have heard someone do to try to get off of the list?

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:32:53 PM)
Chin, you should certainly be in touch every 3 weeks and you shouldn't send in volumes, but you should keep them posted about changes in your professional and extra-curricular life. Also, if you can identify a weakness, a low GMAT score or grade, then you can address it through classes. CBS, BTW, will normally say if there is a specific weakness that they want addressed.

let_me_in (ID=45) (Mar 11, 2002 9:33:32 PM)
El--I'm in no way affiliated with this place, but if it's that important to you, pay the $ for an accepted evaluation. It does sound like you've got a strong case. Also, if community service is your weakness, you could go so far as to actually contact some community service orgs in the area of your school and include that in your letter. Just my $.02

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:34:28 PM)
I like your idea let-me-in..

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:34:54 PM)
Cindy, can you think of any wacky things people have done to get off the WL?

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:35:12 PM)
Actually, we heard of one overseas client who simply moved to the city where he was waitlisted and said, I'm here. He had a family and he moved his whole household.

chem (ID=48) (Mar 11, 2002 9:35:16 PM)
Linda, do you have any suggestions on supplemental materials to send uofc?

cindy tokumitsu (ID=24) (Mar 11, 2002 9:35:52 PM)
Not so much wacky, but show incredible persistence. Also, really showing that the school in question is THE school for them, again and again, in every which way.

let_me_in (ID=45) (Mar 11, 2002 9:36:07 PM)
How important is it to keep future rounds' notification dates in our minds as timing gates? In other words, should I hustle to get my letter to them before the next rounds notification time? (I'm assuming yes)

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:36:09 PM)
vic, I wouldn't retake a 690. Try to distinguish yourself in other ways. We also have had clients be in touch with the schools religiously every 3 weeks.

vic (ID=40) (Mar 11, 2002 9:36:32 PM)
I got the waitlist letter on Feb I late in following up? It is already 2 weeks since that.

getit08 (ID=26) (Mar 11, 2002 9:36:40 PM)
Let me in, I would say yes.

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:36:42 PM)
Vic, keep following up.

ErinR. (ID=47) (Mar 11, 2002 9:36:51 PM)
also, since applying to all my schools, my dad lost his job and we have had some other economic hardships that COMPLETELY change my financial situation. I am starting to get packages based on the prior # and the $'s not too good or non existent. Should I send them a letter explaining what happened and ask them to reconsider?

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:37:00 PM)
I agree with get it.

let_me_in (ID=45) (Mar 11, 2002 9:37:16 PM)
I guess I kind of knew the answer :-)

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:37:23 PM)
Erin, is this at schools where you have been accepted?

ErinR. (ID=47) (Mar 11, 2002 9:38:01 PM)
yes only received aid packages from schools I have gotten into. So yes I would only send this letter to those schools.

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:38:20 PM)
Sure, let them know your circumstances have changed.

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:38:44 PM)
Any questions?

chem (ID=48) (Mar 11, 2002 9:38:47 PM)

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:38:53 PM)
Go ahead chem.

chem (ID=48) (Mar 11, 2002 9:38:54 PM)
was that last answer for me? suggestions for uofc reg. decision hold. I can send in supp. materials. What should I send?

let_me_in (ID=45) (Mar 11, 2002 9:39:11 PM)
Along the lines of some previous notes, what might be some examples of "nonstandard" things you've heard of that are more or less unrelated to the typical GMAT, fit, differentiation, etc? Although I realize you wouldn't be "recommending" them so to speak.

Chinapple (ID=44) (Mar 11, 2002 9:39:49 PM)
Linda, how would you compare Columbia with Chicago?

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:39:59 PM)
Chem, Send them a letter saying why you specifically want to attend U of Chicago, how it supports your goals, and what has happened in your life to make you a better candidate.

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:40:25 PM)
let-me in, I'm not sure I understand your question.

chem (ID=48) (Mar 11, 2002 9:40:28 PM)
well, to be honest their IP selections are completely sub par

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:40:37 PM)
Chin, MBA?

Chinapple (ID=44) (Mar 11, 2002 9:40:50 PM)
yes, the MBA program

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:41:02 PM)
If you are interested in IP and they are sub par, then why pursue it, chem?

chem (ID=48) (Mar 11, 2002 9:41:18 PM)
scholarship in other areas and rank

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:41:49 PM)
Chin, CBS and Chicago are both excellent schools, particularly strong in finance. CBS has the advantage and disadvantage of its Manhattan location.

let_me_in (ID=45) (Mar 11, 2002 9:42:25 PM)
I dabble in the practice of pushing the envelope in many things (crazy essays, odd interview questions, "unrecommended" correspondence with admissions) so I'm considering other options outside of my letter and next rec. Nothing too out there, just trying to think.

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:42:33 PM)
Chem, if you are on hold you don't yet have a scholarship.

chem (ID=48) (Mar 11, 2002 9:42:34 PM)
the job prospects coming from Chicago are better than any other school that I'm applying to

ELJETFAN (ID=33) (Mar 11, 2002 9:42:39 PM)
Linda, here is what I am struggling with: Michigan pre-judged my application and essays. I got to know them so well (MBA Forum, etc.) that they drew false conclusions about my application. They wanted my essays to talk about my experience working as CFO for dating service. Told me this point blank, but I had already submitted my essays. I instead spoke entirely about my experience on Wall St., which directly supports my career objective of getting into investment management. The person I have stated my case to, Gwyneth Bailey, is the exact same person who totally prejudged me.

chem (ID=48) (Mar 11, 2002 9:42:51 PM)
scholarship ---as in academics

let_me_in (ID=45) (Mar 11, 2002 9:43:04 PM)
It's worked so far (more or less), but this WL has got me...???

chem (ID=48) (Mar 11, 2002 9:43:11 PM)
as in Posner, Nussbaum

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:43:25 PM)
chem, that's a good answer, then focus on how you want their academic focus and want to work at certain firms that recruit there.

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:44:40 PM)
let-me-in, I'm not quite sure what to tell you. Certainly, distinguishing yourself positively from your competition is a great idea. Just don't' go too far out there. So far you obviously haven't.

t (ID=34) (Mar 11, 2002 9:44:48 PM)
Linda, has this year been the most competitive you've seen for b-school? It seems like they say this every year!!!

let_me_in (ID=45) (Mar 11, 2002 9:45:01 PM)
fair enough...

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:45:25 PM)
El, I'm not sure this is the kind of issue we can address here. Also I don't think that happened in every school you applied to, so something else must be going on.

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:45:47 PM)
t, yes.

vic (ID=40) (Mar 11, 2002 9:45:56 PM)
Linda, I got an email from University of Notre Dame asking to schedule an interview....does that mean that I am almost there or does the school call every MBA applicant for interview?

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:46:04 PM)
We definitely are seeing more people wait-listed this year than in previous years.

ErinR. (ID=47) (Mar 11, 2002 9:46:18 PM)
why do you think that is happening?

BongSoak (ID=31) (Mar 11, 2002 9:46:38 PM)
Linda, you mean b-schools do judge easily.

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:46:41 PM)
vic, schools have different policies about interview invitations, but if an interview is by invitation only, an invitation definitely implies that you have gotten past some kind of cut.

BongSoak (ID=31) (Mar 11, 2002 9:47:04 PM)
Sorry, do not judge easily.

ELJETFAN (ID=33) (Mar 11, 2002 9:47:28 PM)
OK, how is this for community service? My cousin has cancer and is going through chemo. I'm going to move out to LA, help her keep her business going, and then help her sell the business. Service, but in a different sense.

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:47:51 PM)
Erin, because applications are up at almost all professional programs and the schools, especially the b-schools, are not sure whether there are really more applicants or whether a slightly higher number of applicants are applying to significantly more schools to increase their chances of admissions.

getit08 (ID=26) (Mar 11, 2002 9:48:22 PM)
how does one support the statement "I specifically want to attend A school", other than talking about reputation, location, culture, and maybe learning environment?

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:48:38 PM)
BongSoak, I think they have a tough job. They say quite openly that many rejected applicants are qualified.

Chinapple (ID=44) (Mar 11, 2002 9:48:49 PM)

let_me_in (ID=45) (Mar 11, 2002 9:49:10 PM)
What are your thoughts on how to notify a school you'll be visiting if you've already visited and interviewed? Should I mention it in my letter? Should I even tell the adcom? Or just send a generic note to the admissions office saying something like "I'd like the chance to meet.."

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:49:11 PM)
El, it's better than nothing, which is what you have now.

Chinapple (ID=44) (Mar 11, 2002 9:49:20 PM)
Maybe you could try to get the reasons personal, for example certain courses or professors that you are particularly interested in, my 2 cents

ELJETFAN (ID=33) (Mar 11, 2002 9:49:32 PM)

cindy tokumitsu (ID=24) (Mar 11, 2002 9:49:49 PM)
Getit08--go into detail in 1-2 of the areas; for example, describe how the SPECIFIC academic program meets your SPECIFIC learning needs and show/explain how.

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:49:58 PM)
getit, talk about how the school's culture, values, goals, environment, mesh with your values, experience, and most importantly, goals.

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:50:15 PM)
Chin, excellent suggestion!

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:50:26 PM)
Sorry, El, I didn't mean to be harsh.

ELJETFAN (ID=33) (Mar 11, 2002 9:50:49 PM)
That's OK. Perhaps I need to drink a beer and lighten up a little.

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:51:24 PM)
You also made it sound, and on some level I hope this is true, like it's a little bit manufactured for the schools. If it is true, it would help.

hemant (ID=62) (Mar 11, 2002 9:52:02 PM)
Hello, I am an international applicant, was wait-listed at a b-school about 20 days ago, they did not provide any reason and said I would be considered in the next round; they did not ask for any further information though I asked them if they needed me to provide anything. I did send an additional professional recommendation last week.....and waiting?

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:52:46 PM)
Hemant plan a program of regular contact and additional info. You don't have to limit yourself to one additional rec. Presumably your fan club is dying to deluge them with letters of recommendation over the next few months.

hemant (ID=62) (Mar 11, 2002 9:53:19 PM)
alright, what can I talk to them about now?

let_me_in (ID=45) (Mar 11, 2002 9:53:34 PM)
Linda: may I request you look at my previous q?

ELJETFAN (ID=33) (Mar 11, 2002 9:53:50 PM)
Here's a question you can answer. I personally know my waitlist contact. Should I write my letter directly to her and is it a good idea to personalize it based on our prior conversations?

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:55:10 PM)
let-me-in, send a separate letter letting them know that you will visit on Date ABC and offer to meet with them. Then visit, attend classes, take a tour ( if you haven't already done so). Attend some clubs of interest to you.

Chinapple (ID=44) (Mar 11, 2002 9:55:11 PM)
How long the additional essay / recommendation should be?

Manju (ID=63) (Mar 11, 2002 9:55:15 PM)
I am visiting an advisor at an university tomorrow to discuss about my situation. I have 3 years of experience at Cisco Systems, and am rated among top 10% in the company with excellent recommendations. I have a Masters of Sciences and Bachelors in IT. Last month I took GMAT in a rush and messed up the score. How can I convince the advisor to consider me for Admission?

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:55:28 PM)
El, yes, I think so.

let_me_in (ID=45) (Mar 11, 2002 9:55:30 PM)

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:55:44 PM)
Chin, 1-2 pages. Don't write books. Keep them short and sweet.

hemant (ID=62) (Mar 11, 2002 9:56:07 PM)

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:56:50 PM)
Manju, that is very tough to do if you are more than 40 points below the schools GMAT average or really low on either the verbal or quantitative score, especially the latter. You're best bet is probably to retake it.

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:57:45 PM)
Any questions?

lena (ID=35) (Mar 11, 2002 9:57:49 PM)
Linda: Do you think that scores GRE, GMAT, LSAT play the crucial role in getting off WL?

hemant (ID=62) (Mar 11, 2002 9:57:50 PM)
Linda, I think I will call them and ask them again if there was anything I could offer them more

Manju (ID=63) (Mar 11, 2002 9:57:58 PM)
Do you have a percentage of people who have retaken the score and have found improvement? I tried to look for this, could not find. I believe I can do better.

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:58:20 PM)
Lena, not usually because if you are on the wl, the school has usually decided you have the academic qualifications to be admitted. Some schools, CBS comes to mind, will specifically advise a wait-listed applicant to retake the GMAT if they are concerned about it.

Manju (ID=63) (Mar 11, 2002 9:58:28 PM)
I am really low at Verbal but good at Quantitative.

lena (ID=35) (Mar 11, 2002 9:58:38 PM)
Thank you

let_me_in (ID=45) (Mar 11, 2002 9:59:08 PM)
How much WL correspondence should be done by letter vs. email? All?

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 9:59:09 PM)
Manju, I don't have stats. Anecdotally, most people do go up, but definitely not all. That's why I don't recommend retaking if you don't think it will go up. I do recommend taking classes in business writing, communications, and English if your verbal score is low.

Manju (ID=63) (Mar 11, 2002 9:59:17 PM)
Thanks Linda. That should be helpful.

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 10:00:18 PM)
let-me-in, I don't have a recommended number, but I would mix the media, and also call occasionally.

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 10:01:02 PM)

hemant (ID=62) (Mar 11, 2002 10:01:05 PM)
Linda, I think I will call them and ask them if they would need anything more from me

let_me_in (ID=45) (Mar 11, 2002 10:01:07 PM)
I realize there's no secret formula, but I also don't want to break an unwritten rule.

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 10:01:13 PM)
H, sounds good.

hemant (ID=62) (Mar 11, 2002 10:01:20 PM)

getit08 (ID=26) (Mar 11, 2002 10:01:22 PM)
Let me in: FYI, Fuqua wants everything in writing. But I called and I think it made a mark on the coordinator's mind

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 10:01:29 PM)
let_me _in, I'm unaware of such a rule. Again, I recommend a mix. I also recommend that you try to follow their instructions.

lena (ID=35) (Mar 11, 2002 10:01:37 PM)
I think sending "real paper" is important...

let_me_in (ID=45) (Mar 11, 2002 10:02:05 PM)
Thanks (all)

vic (ID=40) (Mar 11, 2002 10:02:11 PM)
Linda, what do b-schools look for in an interview especially when they schedule it for as short a time as 30 minutes

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 10:02:30 PM)
Vic, they're looking for different things. Verbal skills, especially for non-native English speakers or people from fields not know for verbal skills. They are looking for interpersonal skills and body language and just a general feel you get when meeting someone. They are also looking to see if you have done your homework on the school and have good reasons as to why you want to go there. That is a key question on many b-school interviews. If you want more interview info, please visit our interview feedback database. We are also launching an interview coaching and mock interview service.

ELJETFAN (ID=33) (Mar 11, 2002 10:02:44 PM)
Linda, it has been seven weeks since I received my waitlist letter. Anything special to mention because it's been so long? I wasn't sure how to respond and I kind of wanted to do a takeaway on Gwyneth.

ErinR. (ID=47) (Mar 11, 2002 10:02:53 PM)
Do you think I should send another writing sample (it certainly is one of my strong points) to the law schools that have wait listed me? Do you think it would help? If so, what kind of writings samples should I send?

whoa! (ID=66) (Mar 11, 2002 10:04:03 PM)

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 10:04:33 PM)
Hi whoa.

vic (ID=40) (Mar 11, 2002 10:04:36 PM)
Linda thanks....that was a big help!!!!

whoa! (ID=66) (Mar 11, 2002 10:04:38 PM)
sorry to join so late

Chinapple (ID=44) (Mar 11, 2002 10:04:40 PM)
As to interview, I have got a very challenging one with a Wharton alumna. People all say that Wharton's interview is the most standard one. But my interviewer just shot questions out of nowhere. How could they ever compare applicants using such a different interviewing style?

let_me_in (ID=45) (Mar 11, 2002 10:04:46 PM)
getit: Not sure your specifics, what did you say when you called? Not sure exactly what I would say

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 10:05:09 PM)
Erin, I don't see how it could hurt. Just don't send anything too long and do send in something that reflects your analytical or persuasive writing skills.

lena (ID=35) (Mar 11, 2002 10:05:14 PM)
Linda: one more?

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 10:05:18 PM)
You're welcome.

lena (ID=35) (Mar 11, 2002 10:05:27 PM)
Do schools rank WL people?

whoa! (ID=66) (Mar 11, 2002 10:06:01 PM)
?I'm also the one with interview problem, it turned out I got hanged because my interview result, that I hadn't shown enough eagerness to be in their school, any advice?

getit08 (ID=26) (Mar 11, 2002 10:06:05 PM)
LMI: I basically called about my visit. I guess something that you need to talk to them about

t (ID=34) (Mar 11, 2002 10:06:10 PM)
Why wouldn't a school rank the w/l? Mine doesn't

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 10:06:17 PM)
Chin, I don't have the answer to your question. I do know that the Wharton interview provides data for Wharton, but it is not make or break unless you really blow it.

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 10:06:39 PM)
Go ahead, lena.

pete (ID=27) (Mar 11, 2002 10:06:51 PM)
hope I am not repeating an asked question, but anyone here waitlisted without even an interview?

let_me_in (ID=45) (Mar 11, 2002 10:07:02 PM)
Thanks. Maybe I'll call about visit #2, see if I can bring them lunch or something...

lena (ID=35) (Mar 11, 2002 10:07:09 PM)
Do schools rank WL people?

Chinapple (ID=44) (Mar 11, 2002 10:07:11 PM)
pete, I am one at Columbia

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 10:07:12 PM)
Whoa, send in a thank you to the interviewer and succinctly state in the note why you want to attend the school.

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 10:07:45 PM)
Lena, different schools have different policies, but to my knowledge, at least this early in the game, most do not.

ErinR. (ID=47) (Mar 11, 2002 10:07:58 PM)
thanks Linda, I have a lot of good ideas now :)

whoa! (ID=66) (Mar 11, 2002 10:08:05 PM)
would that be sufficient? I'm living in Asia, should I think about flying there and give them a visit?

lena (ID=35) (Mar 11, 2002 10:08:05 PM)
Thank you Linda

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 10:08:10 PM)
Good, I'm glad this has been worthwhile.

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 10:08:30 PM)
Whoa, it is hard to say it will do the trick, but a visit would definitely show commitment and serious interest.

Manju (ID=63) (Mar 11, 2002 10:08:33 PM)
Linda, will be on a negative side, if I apply closer to the deadline?

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 10:08:49 PM)
Manju, it is a negative because there are fewer spaces available at the end.

Manju (ID=63) (Mar 11, 2002 10:09:04 PM)

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 10:09:32 PM)
Last 3 questions...

ELJETFAN (ID=33) (Mar 11, 2002 10:09:49 PM)
Linda, thanks for your help. Gwyneth Slocum Bailey: prepare to be sold. I'm going to turn this into one rip-roaring hootenanny.

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 10:10:01 PM)
Go for it el. good luck!

lena (ID=35) (Mar 11, 2002 10:10:07 PM)
Linda, thank you for all your info!!!

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 10:10:12 PM)
You're welcome.

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 10:10:14 PM)
Thank you again all for participating this evening.

whoa! (ID=66) (Mar 11, 2002 10:10:14 PM)
how soon will this chat transcript be posted? I missed so much of it due to connection problems

ELJETFAN (ID=33) (Mar 11, 2002 10:10:24 PM)
Miller Time

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 10:10:26 PM)
Probably it will be posted early next week.

lena (ID=35) (Mar 11, 2002 10:10:31 PM)
Good luck to all you guys!!!

whoa! (ID=66) (Mar 11, 2002 10:10:47 PM)
thanks, looking forward to that then

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 10:11:03 PM)
I want to mention that's editors are available to advise on and edit wait-list letters. If you are interested, please visit Registration .

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 10:11:21 PM)
Finally, I would really appreciate feedback from all of you on tonight's chat. Please send your comments, criticisms, and suggestions for future chats to .

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 10:11:31 PM)
Have a very good evening! Good luck with your applications! Let me know if you get in.

Chinapple (ID=44) (Mar 11, 2002 10:12:32 PM)
Thanks, Linda

cindy tokumitsu (ID=24) (Mar 11, 2002 10:12:35 PM)
Good luck, all!

Linda Abraham (ID=25) (Mar 11, 2002 10:12:43 PM)
Good luck and good night!

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