MBA Admissions: Consortium for Graduate Study in Management Chat Transcript

MBA: Consortium Chat (Dec. 10, 2001)

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Chat Transcript:

Linda Abraham (ID=88) (Dec 10, 2001 9:05:16 PM)
Let's start.

Linda Abraham (ID=88) (Dec 10, 2001 9:05:28 PM)
First I want to welcome you all to's Consortium for the Graduate Study of Management Chat.

Linda Abraham (ID=88) (Dec 10, 2001 9:05:35 PM)
I also want to welcome our special guests for this evening:

Linda Abraham (ID=88) (Dec 10, 2001 9:05:43 PM)
Barbara Jones Consortium for the Graduate Study of Management

Linda Abraham (ID=88) (Dec 10, 2001 9:05:54 PM)
Jim Holmen Indiana University

Linda Abraham (ID=88) (Dec 10, 2001 9:06:03 PM)
Laurie Stewart Carnegie Mellon University

Linda Abraham (ID=88) (Dec 10, 2001 9:06:10 PM)
Keith Vaughn University of Southern California

Linda Abraham (ID=88) (Dec 10, 2001 9:06:16 PM)
Betsy Kacizak University of Wisconsin

Linda Abraham (ID=88) (Dec 10, 2001 9:06:23 PM)
Kris Nebel University of Michigan

Linda Abraham (ID=88) (Dec 10, 2001 9:06:31 PM)
Sherry Wallace University of North Carolina

Linda Abraham (ID=88) (Dec 10, 2001 9:06:37 PM)
Sarah Guzman New York University

Linda Abraham (ID=88) (Dec 10, 2001 9:06:57 PM)
I also want to thank Paul Bodine and Cindy Tokumitsu for joining us this evening.

Linda Abraham (ID=88) (Dec 10, 2001 9:07:36 PM)
We encourage dialogue and discussion, but I would like to suggest a structure to make it easier to follow the threads of conversation. So here is the protocol:

Linda Abraham (ID=88) (Dec 10, 2001 9:07:44 PM)
We will post questions and answers to the chat. If you have a question on that material, please type a "?" and then your question. Our guests, other participants, or I will reply. If one of you wants to comment on the current topic, please jump right in. If you want to start a different topic, please type "?".

Linda Abraham (ID=88) (Dec 10, 2001 9:07:52 PM)
If your question or comment relates to a particular school or is directed at a particular person, please be sure to include the individual's name in your question.

Linda Abraham (ID=88) (Dec 10, 2001 9:08:13 PM)
Also, since we really have a full house this evening, I want to suggest that if you see 3 unanswered questions on the screen, you wait to post.

Linda Abraham (ID=88) (Dec 10, 2001 9:08:22 PM)
Final request: We would like to avoid the brief summary of qualifications (or even the long laundry list) followed by the question, "Can I qualify?" Or "What are my chances?" This isn't the forum for that kind of analysis.

Gerard E (ID=102) (Dec 10, 2001 9:08:31 PM)
? What advice can you give a participant that is interested in being a CGSM fellow.

Linda Abraham (ID=88) (Dec 10, 2001 9:08:52 PM)
Other than that limitation, this is your chance to ask questions about the Consortium and these schools' program and admissions policies. But I would like to take advantage of my position as host and ask the first questions.

Kris_UMBS_AdCom (ID=101) (Dec 10, 2001 9:09:07 PM)
G - first thing is to submit a competitive application

djdotcom (ID=81) (Dec 10, 2001 9:09:11 PM)
? for CGSM rep - Since a separate application is required for Berkeley how are my rankings conveyed to them

Ayesha1908 (ID=65) (Dec 10, 2001 9:09:17 PM)
g- start your research on schools EARLY

eluff (ID=30) (Dec 10, 2001 9:09:24 PM)

Ayesha1908 (ID=65) (Dec 10, 2001 9:09:27 PM)

Linda Abraham (ID=88) (Dec 10, 2001 9:09:31 PM)
How can Consortium applicants distinguish themselves from other applicants and each other?

Jorge (ID=55) (Dec 10, 2001 9:09:39 PM)
My question is for NYU - How has Sept 13th affected recruiting at NYU?

Sherry -UNC Admiss (ID=94) (Dec 10, 2001 9:09:56 PM)
Present yourself fully, making sure both the CGSM application and the member schools know you who you are.

Gerard E (ID=102) (Dec 10, 2001 9:10:02 PM)
? A-What makes a competitive app?

Kris_UMBS_AdCom (ID=101) (Dec 10, 2001 9:10:02 PM)
L - I think it is the same for any applicant - do your research, tell your story

Felipe (ID=100) (Dec 10, 2001 9:10:03 PM)
do I have to take the GMAT before the Jan 15 dateline

Charlotta (ID=105) (Dec 10, 2001 9:10:16 PM)
?What is an acceptable range in GMAT scores

Kris_UMBS_AdCom (ID=101) (Dec 10, 2001 9:10:27 PM)
L - have a good sense of what you want from an MBA, and be sure to convey that well in your essays

Betsy_UWM_Adcom (ID=64) (Dec 10, 2001 9:10:29 PM)
Research your schools and programs of interest. Focus on what qualities you can bring to the program

djdotcom (ID=81) (Dec 10, 2001 9:10:55 PM)
? for the schools that require separate are rankings conveyed to you and when

eluff (ID=30) (Dec 10, 2001 9:11:00 PM)
Does anyone have the dates got the GMATs?

Sherry -UNC Admiss (ID=94) (Dec 10, 2001 9:11:12 PM)
CGSM applicants have the same charge as any b-school applicant. They are competing for admission to some of the globe's most desirable schools, and they are competing for a very prestigious fellowship.

EzRawlins (ID=96) (Dec 10, 2001 9:11:19 PM)
I'm an older prospective student with a weak quant. background and weak GMAT scores. How would it look to schools if I quit work to brush up on my quant. skills? I interested in being as competitive as possible, but I 'm not getting any younger either. What do you think?

Kris_UMBS_AdCom (ID=101) (Dec 10, 2001 9:11:41 PM)
E - can you take some quant classes at night rather than stopping work?

Sarah_NYU_Student (ID=86) (Dec 10, 2001 9:11:52 PM)
Jorge, it is my understanding that NYU has not been adversely affected, in terms of the number of applicants at NYU. I don't have much more information other than that, but I'm sure someone in admissions could confirm this. Overall, there is such a wonderful feeling of community at NY and Stern in particular... I'm thrilled to be part of this environment.

Jim_Indiana_Adcom (ID=83) (Dec 10, 2001 9:11:56 PM)
Charlotta-Each school typically will provide you their entering class profile, including average GMAT scores. Remember that averages are averages, some scores will be higher, some lower.

bigcheese (ID=116) (Dec 10, 2001 9:11:58 PM)
Who makes the underlying decision on the fellowship award, the school or the consortium?

Kris_UMBS_AdCom (ID=101) (Dec 10, 2001 9:12:06 PM)
E - we would want to see you being able to handle the rigor while handling demands of other aspects of your life

Kris_UMBS_AdCom (ID=101) (Dec 10, 2001 9:12:13 PM)
B -the school

Betsy_UWM_Adcom (ID=64) (Dec 10, 2001 9:12:18 PM)
EZ consider taking classes while working. Also focus on your other talents in the essays

VA (ID=122) (Dec 10, 2001 9:12:23 PM)
? Can someone explain why the Consortium site is not updated with the correct application status information.

Jim_Indiana_Adcom (ID=83) (Dec 10, 2001 9:12:29 PM)
Big Cheese- The schools each select their own fellowship recipients.

Linda Abraham (ID=88) (Dec 10, 2001 9:12:33 PM)
Sarah, at the Stern chat Julia Min said that applications at Stern were up 30% at first round.

Laurie_CMU_Adcom (ID=80) (Dec 10, 2001 9:12:33 PM)
big cheese - the schools award the fellowships

djdotcom (ID=81) (Dec 10, 2001 9:12:36 PM)
where can the application status be found on the site?

kb (ID=70) (Dec 10, 2001 9:12:44 PM)
? Ms. Jones - how many applications were received for the first deadline?

luis72 (ID=63) (Dec 10, 2001 9:12:46 PM)
?Kris, can you tell us about the MAP and IMAP program? How difficult is it to get into the IMAP?

yusaydat (ID=93) (Dec 10, 2001 9:12:50 PM)
VA-we add more information to the site daily.

Linda Abraham (ID=88) (Dec 10, 2001 9:12:55 PM)
Let's hold the questions a minute.

EzRawlins (ID=96) (Dec 10, 2001 9:12:55 PM)
Thanks , gang!

barbara_cgsm (ID=109) (Dec 10, 2001 9:12:57 PM)

Kris_UMBS_AdCom (ID=101) (Dec 10, 2001 9:13:10 PM)
L - I can talk more about UMBS offline, but about 80 students a yr do IMAP - probably about 140 apply for it

barbara_cgsm (ID=109) (Dec 10, 2001 9:13:12 PM)
kb 235

Ayesha1908 (ID=65) (Dec 10, 2001 9:13:22 PM)
? to admissions people: I got laid off while working on my consortium app, so my resume work experience stops at 10/01. I have since been re-hired, but submitted my apps before landing my present job. how does that factor into the review process?

Memsahib2003 (ID=69) (Dec 10, 2001 9:13:28 PM)
EzRawlins: I was in the same boat when I applied - don't quit your job, bring out other traits in your app that may help strengthen your quant position

Ayesha1908 (ID=65) (Dec 10, 2001 9:13:31 PM)
(sorry Linda, I submitted before I saw that)

vbird (ID=84) (Dec 10, 2001 9:13:31 PM)
? Is there an advantage in applying to only 1 consortium school? Does it "look better" to the AdComm?

Charlotta (ID=105) (Dec 10, 2001 9:13:44 PM)
?I am in an accelerated program at work, Management trainee. Question is do you think 2 years of work experience would be sufficient with this type of program?

DFB (ID=115) (Dec 10, 2001 9:13:57 PM)
Assuming that we are applying to a school. through the Consortium, which application deadline should we be following? Those presented by the schools or the 1/15 date for the Consortium?

Jim_Indiana_Adcom (ID=83) (Dec 10, 2001 9:14:03 PM)
Hi Ayesha- you can certainly contact your schools and provide an update either by e-mail or fax.

Darryl (ID=117) (Dec 10, 2001 9:14:15 PM)
Sherry will UNC accept the recommendation form found in the Consortium application?

Betsy_UWM_Adcom (ID=64) (Dec 10, 2001 9:14:17 PM)
Ayesha you have the chance to explain your situation in the essay or during an interview.

Kris_UMBS_AdCom (ID=101) (Dec 10, 2001 9:14:23 PM)
A - I would hope you gave some explanation in your app about what you were doing in the meantime. If you status

VA (ID=122) (Dec 10, 2001 9:14:26 PM)
yusaydat - if the Consortium finds that something in my application is missing, does that mean I will not make the first round deadline (since you're mailing applications starting on Monday). will I have time to follow up on the missing item?

Sherry -UNC Admiss (ID=94) (Dec 10, 2001 9:14:32 PM)
UNC does not receive the common CGSM application. We are reliant on candidates to tell us if they are also applying for CGSM fellowship. We make admission decision irrespective to what your CGSM school fellowship preference ranking may be. In the spring, before time to match CGSM fellowships with admitted applicants, we will become aware of those who have indicated an interest in receiving CGSM fellowship to UNC.

Kris_UMBS_AdCom (ID=101) (Dec 10, 2001 9:14:40 PM)
A - has changed, I would like to find out about it (if you applied to UMBS) so write to us directly

yusaydat (ID=93) (Dec 10, 2001 9:14:40 PM)
?Linda, what do you want us to do?

Ayesha1908 (ID=65) (Dec 10, 2001 9:14:41 PM)
jim: I submitted by 12/1, so do you suggest a letter and an updated resume? I start my new position on 12/17

djdotcom (ID=81) (Dec 10, 2001 9:14:41 PM)
can anyone answer my question regarding school rankings

Jim_Indiana_Adcom (ID=83) (Dec 10, 2001 9:15:06 PM)
Ayesha- That would be fine!

Linda Abraham (ID=88) (Dec 10, 2001 9:15:06 PM)
Yusaydat, type a ? when you want to post and I will call on you.

gabe (ID=121) (Dec 10, 2001 9:15:16 PM)
Did someone answer the question regarding the # of CGSM apps received by the 12/1 deadline?

yusaydat (ID=93) (Dec 10, 2001 9:15:25 PM)

Kris_UMBS_AdCom (ID=101) (Dec 10, 2001 9:15:33 PM)
VA - you should have had it all in by the deadline, but if not, you should focus on getting it complete as soon as possible.

eluff (ID=30) (Dec 10, 2001 9:15:37 PM)
?Looking for GMAT testing date?

Charlotta (ID=105) (Dec 10, 2001 9:15:39 PM)
?Will GMAT scores count after the deadline, in cases where some people want/need to retake it?

barbara_cgsm (ID=109) (Dec 10, 2001 9:15:41 PM)
gabe the answer is 235

gabe (ID=121) (Dec 10, 2001 9:15:54 PM)
Thanks Barbara.

Ayesha1908 (ID=65) (Dec 10, 2001 9:15:57 PM)
jim: I know that IU only has an email address listed in the back of the consortium app, will that be sufficient?

yusaydat (ID=93) (Dec 10, 2001 9:15:59 PM)
?eluff, explain

Linda Abraham (ID=88) (Dec 10, 2001 9:15:59 PM)
Barbara is that more or less than last year at this time?

supanu (ID=74) (Dec 10, 2001 9:16:05 PM)
kris_umbs - I submitted an optional essay for the 12/01 deadline, how do you suggest I make sure it was received ok?

Jim_Indiana_Adcom (ID=83) (Dec 10, 2001 9:16:32 PM)
Ayesha- you can send it to or to me at

toure (ID=119) (Dec 10, 2001 9:16:32 PM)
Barbara- Are the 235 apps significantly higher than last year?

Kris_UMBS_AdCom (ID=101) (Dec 10, 2001 9:16:38 PM)
S - you can send an email to our office, but it likely arrived fine

Ayesha1908 (ID=65) (Dec 10, 2001 9:17:17 PM)
thanks @ Jim

rrr (ID=110) (Dec 10, 2001 9:17:18 PM)
?Can someone clarify the meaning of "Number of Direct Reports" within the area of "Employment History" on the Consortium Application?

barbara_cgsm (ID=109) (Dec 10, 2001 9:17:19 PM)
Linda that's more by approximately 75 apps.

bigcheese (ID=116) (Dec 10, 2001 9:17:27 PM)
If I am in the home town of the consortium, would it benefit me to set up an interview with you or just go to the school?

djdotcom (ID=81) (Dec 10, 2001 9:17:28 PM)
Barbara - Will schools such as Berkeley who do not receive the consortium application be told where a candidate ranked a particular school?

Linda Abraham (ID=88) (Dec 10, 2001 9:17:29 PM)
Thank you.

kb (ID=70) (Dec 10, 2001 9:17:52 PM)
? Ms. Jones - will the number of fellowships be greater or lower than last year (~310, I think it was)

Sherry -UNC Admiss (ID=94) (Dec 10, 2001 9:17:59 PM)
Darryl, I'm sorry that UNC cannot receive anything from CGSM. It is important for your recommenders to answer the questions we ask on the UNC Kenan-Flagler MBA Application. A common letter attached to our form is fine, however.

Charlotta (ID=105) (Dec 10, 2001 9:18:05 PM)
?What percentage of applications do you expect to reward

luis72 (ID=63) (Dec 10, 2001 9:18:11 PM)
? Barbara, if I want to interview with each individual school, would that delay my Consortium application? (I completed consortium interview with UNC.)

VA (ID=122) (Dec 10, 2001 9:18:15 PM)
? This is directed to any admin. reps. How do you look upon an applicant who has not sent you the school specific essay?

Jim_Indiana_Adcom (ID=83) (Dec 10, 2001 9:18:29 PM)
Charlotta- In most cases, to meet a deadline your application should be complete by that deadline. If you haven't taken the GMAT, or want us to hold your application until you retake the deadline, your application will be considered for a later deadline when it is complete.

Linda Abraham (ID=88) (Dec 10, 2001 9:18:42 PM)
Let's hold the questions. Right now we have questions from rrr, djdotcom, kb, Charlotta, luis 72 and VA.

barbara_cgsm (ID=109) (Dec 10, 2001 9:18:44 PM)
djdotcom not until after you have been admitted and we meet with all the schools in March

kim212 (ID=133) (Dec 10, 2001 9:18:44 PM)
I have a few questions. I am currently obtaining a Masters in Information Technology. does that carry as much weight as the typical MBA?

Jorge (ID=55) (Dec 10, 2001 9:18:48 PM)
Housing question for NYU - I would be looking for affordable housing for my wife and two young children - anything within an hour's commute from the city?

yusaydat (ID=93) (Dec 10, 2001 9:18:51 PM)
bigcheese-we do not interview in our office. feel free to interview with WU

Kris_UMBS_AdCom (ID=101) (Dec 10, 2001 9:18:56 PM)
VA - this is a new recommendation this year - it really helps in giving a sense of why you like a particular school, but I wouldn't expect to receive it from everyone

Sarah_NYU_Student (ID=86) (Dec 10, 2001 9:19:15 PM)

Darryl (ID=117) (Dec 10, 2001 9:19:21 PM)
Sherry-Does UNC give preference to early applicants versus applicants that apply in the final round?

Charlotta (ID=105) (Dec 10, 2001 9:19:26 PM)
?How do you view an applicant not writing the optional essay?

bigcheese (ID=116) (Dec 10, 2001 9:19:31 PM)
Due to the economy, are you finding a record number of applicants this year? If so, would it be best to delay your application for the following semester?

Kris_UMBS_AdCom (ID=101) (Dec 10, 2001 9:19:37 PM)
Kim - you will need to explain in your app why you need an MBA

Linda Abraham (ID=88) (Dec 10, 2001 9:19:39 PM)
Hold your fire please.

Sarah_NYU_Student (ID=86) (Dec 10, 2001 9:19:40 PM)
that's pretty flexible...I would imagine that with a one hour commute you s/b able to find something affordable.

gabe (ID=121) (Dec 10, 2001 9:19:58 PM)
Barbara, I saw that my optional essay #4 in the CGSM had a problem during upload and last night I sent an e-mail with said essay attached to Jackie Ogden. Will it be sent to the schools in my CGSM app?

barbara_cgsm (ID=109) (Dec 10, 2001 9:20:04 PM)
luis72 the interview alone will not hold up the application.

Kris_UMBS_AdCom (ID=101) (Dec 10, 2001 9:20:07 PM)
C - only write the optional essay if you have something to say - something that

Linda Abraham (ID=88) (Dec 10, 2001 9:20:09 PM)
Also, if you are directing your question s to a particular person, please indicate to whom.

Sherry -UNC Admiss (ID=94) (Dec 10, 2001 9:20:10 PM)
dj- it is likely that the schools that do not receive the common application will not know your preference rating until time for the fellowship decisions to be made - early March. There may be some exceptions.

Kris_UMBS_AdCom (ID=101) (Dec 10, 2001 9:20:19 PM)
didn't come up in the rest of the app, any anomalies, etc.

Kevin (ID=95) (Dec 10, 2001 9:20:19 PM)
?Is there any benefit to being a minority in this year's MBA applicant pool?

Ayesha1908 (ID=65) (Dec 10, 2001 9:20:27 PM)
jim: along the lines of updating my resume, since I technically do not start until next Monday, is it best to just outline my responsibilities and give a more thorough explanation in my cover letter?

barbara_cgsm (ID=109) (Dec 10, 2001 9:20:28 PM)
gabe yes

djdotcom (ID=81) (Dec 10, 2001 9:20:32 PM)
thank you

Ayesha1908 (ID=65) (Dec 10, 2001 9:20:42 PM)
explanation of my situation I mean @ jim

djdotcom (ID=81) (Dec 10, 2001 9:20:43 PM)
(but not the answer I wanted :-) )

Charlotta (ID=105) (Dec 10, 2001 9:20:53 PM)
?How many years of work experience do you truly recommend?

Qiana (ID=134) (Dec 10, 2001 9:20:58 PM)
?In general, I've been told that most MBA programs do not accept students without 2-5 years full time experience. However, during undergrad (I'll graduate in 6/02) I've held 5 full time internships with a lot of experience gained from each. Would you recommend that I apply, despite the general consensus?

Kris_UMBS_AdCom (ID=101) (Dec 10, 2001 9:21:02 PM)
K - I am not sure what you are getting at. Clearly we look for diversity in any forms, but that is not limited to race.

Jim_Indiana_Adcom (ID=83) (Dec 10, 2001 9:21:04 PM)
Ayesha- That would be fine.

7empty (ID=120) (Dec 10, 2001 9:21:04 PM)
Are there any Native American CGSM graduates that you can refer to me to talk about their experience?

kim212 (ID=133) (Dec 10, 2001 9:21:09 PM)
I am not sure if I do? I think the MBA is more business oriented where as Information Tech is more technical. I am also doing public Management for the business end of things.

Betsy_UWM_Adcom (ID=64) (Dec 10, 2001 9:21:18 PM)
Charlotta, most schools would like at least 2 years experience

gabe (ID=121) (Dec 10, 2001 9:21:23 PM)
Thanks again, Barbara.

Laurie_CMU_Adcom (ID=80) (Dec 10, 2001 9:21:36 PM)
charlotta - it varies from school to school, but we recommend at least 2 or 3 years

Nelson (ID=131) (Dec 10, 2001 9:21:39 PM)
Barbara, I have to retake the GMAT, However, I already had the interview with the consortium member, I am retaking the GMAT on Jan 11 and I had all the other documents ready. am I still on time for the Jan date line?

kclotman (ID=91) (Dec 10, 2001 9:21:44 PM)
? Barbara: If we submitted for the early deadline, when should we be concerned if we haven't heard back from CGSM or received a card in the mail?

Kris_UMBS_AdCom (ID=101) (Dec 10, 2001 9:21:46 PM)
Kim - you should do some informational interviews with folks that work in the area you are interested in to gauge whether you feel prepared enough without the MBA

Sherry -UNC Admiss (ID=94) (Dec 10, 2001 9:21:53 PM)
darryl- UNC does not necessarily reward earlier applicants. Just be careful not to wait too late. Sometimes applicants in our last round find that the yield of earlier admitted applicants has exceeded forecasts, and therefore, space is not available.

Charlotta (ID=105) (Dec 10, 2001 9:22:00 PM)
?How is a management trainee job (3 years in 18 months) viewed?

Charlotta (ID=105) (Dec 10, 2001 9:22:05 PM)

Charlotta (ID=105) (Dec 10, 2001 9:22:17 PM)
?Are the chances greater?

steff (ID=126) (Dec 10, 2001 9:22:18 PM)
Are there any Emory Grad Students here?

supanu (ID=74) (Dec 10, 2001 9:22:23 PM)
barbara_cgsm when should we start to worry about an incomplete app. if we submitted by 12/01 and we haven't heard from cgsm?

barbara_cgsm (ID=109) (Dec 10, 2001 9:22:25 PM)
7empty yes please send an email to and request this information.

luis72 (ID=63) (Dec 10, 2001 9:22:35 PM)
? Barbara, if I want to interview with each school I am applying to would that delay my application? I already interviewed with UNC (that was also my consortium interview).

Sherry -UNC Admiss (ID=94) (Dec 10, 2001 9:22:44 PM)
Kevin- being a minority is neither a plus or minus. You have to distinguish yourself in the pool, same as all applicants.

Charlotta (ID=105) (Dec 10, 2001 9:22:44 PM)
?Are there any Michigan grads here?

Laurie_CMU_Adcom (ID=80) (Dec 10, 2001 9:22:45 PM)
charlotta - it can be good, depending on the impact you've made in that time

gabe (ID=121) (Dec 10, 2001 9:23:03 PM)
AdComm members, I've heard from MBA students that sometimes you'll let students know

Charlotta (ID=105) (Dec 10, 2001 9:23:08 PM)
Thanks, Laurie. ?Do you think it has more of an advantage?

Kris_UMBS_AdCom (ID=101) (Dec 10, 2001 9:23:09 PM)
C - I don't have any on line with me but we can get you connected with some current students or alums if needed

ChiGuy (ID=123) (Dec 10, 2001 9:23:12 PM)
Kris - How much weight does a quantitative MS degree carry if one did not perform so well on the GMAT. All other data points are competitive.

Sarah_NYU_Student (ID=86) (Dec 10, 2001 9:23:28 PM)
Charlotta, I graduated Michigan Undergrad 1996.

Charlotta (ID=105) (Dec 10, 2001 9:23:33 PM)
Thanks, Kris. I would appreciate that

gabe (ID=121) (Dec 10, 2001 9:23:36 PM)
before Feb, is that true? If so what cases? Sorry for the cutoff

Kris_UMBS_AdCom (ID=101) (Dec 10, 2001 9:23:36 PM)
C - it definitely helps to show you handled the quant rigor in your past academics, so that is a plus

Linda Abraham (ID=88) (Dec 10, 2001 9:23:37 PM)
Does anyone have a question for Betsy regarding Wisconsin?

Laurie_CMU_Adcom (ID=80) (Dec 10, 2001 9:23:58 PM)
charlotta - difficult to say without knowing more specifics, but could be

Darryl (ID=117) (Dec 10, 2001 9:24:17 PM)
Sherry-how does a candidate's background in a particular industry weigh into a decision if at all?

Ann (ID=107) (Dec 10, 2001 9:24:33 PM)
? This question is for Jim of IU. I have not been able to visit IU yet and probably will not be able to before 1/15 (the last cgsm deadline). Would you mind if I sent my IU optional essay to you after I already submitted my CGSM application?

djdotcom (ID=81) (Dec 10, 2001 9:24:33 PM)
was there an answer posted regarding when we should worry about not receiving a card from CGSM regarding application being received

toure (ID=119) (Dec 10, 2001 9:24:34 PM)
what do schools and the consortium board focus on when evaluating re-apps?

barbara_cgsm (ID=109) (Dec 10, 2001 9:24:43 PM)
Kclotman you should start checking now.

Laurie_CMU_Adcom (ID=80) (Dec 10, 2001 9:24:50 PM)
ChiGuy - having a quant MS degree can be a plus in your application

ChiGuy (ID=123) (Dec 10, 2001 9:24:51 PM)
Betsy - How many fellows are currently enrolled? What is your projection for this year?

Charlotta (ID=105) (Dec 10, 2001 9:24:53 PM)
?That is my number one school of choice, Sarah. I plan on setting up an interview real soon. Could you give me any pointers? I am from Michigan, and would like to go back to go to the school

Kris_UMBS_AdCom (ID=101) (Dec 10, 2001 9:25:01 PM)
T - we look at how you have strengthened your app from last year

kim212 (ID=133) (Dec 10, 2001 9:25:04 PM)
Kris- I think the MBA is the status quo and no one even considers the other degrees available. I think for information systems its better because you have more technical experience. I will start talking to people. But everyone that I know has an MBA.

ChiGuy (ID=123) (Dec 10, 2001 9:25:20 PM)
Laurie - Funny you say that because its from CMU.

Ayesha1908 (ID=65) (Dec 10, 2001 9:25:23 PM)
? all adcomm regarding layoff situation: I did not mention it in my essays because my company and I were still working out details. my last day of employment will be 12/16, but I stopped working in October. do I need to go into that much detail when I send an updated resume to my schools? (not trying to beat a dead horse, but don't want to waste adcomm's time either)

Laurie_CMU_Adcom (ID=80) (Dec 10, 2001 9:25:25 PM)

Jim_Indiana_Adcom (ID=83) (Dec 10, 2001 9:25:30 PM)
gabe- each school likely has a different timeline for mailing decisions, although if you met the December deadline with a complete application do promise to have your decision mailed no later than early February. Some may get decisions out earlier. It just depends on their process.

VA (ID=122) (Dec 10, 2001 9:25:33 PM)
? barbara_cgsm, is it safe to say that if an applicant does not receive a blue "application complete" status card by this Thursday then something is missing in the application (assume we received the "application received" email from the consortium after the application was submitted electronically)?

kclotman (ID=91) (Dec 10, 2001 9:25:44 PM)
? For all adcoms - How is the process for deciding fellowships different from deciding on admissions?

Lion33 (ID=98) (Dec 10, 2001 9:25:46 PM)
? How does the Consortium and the member school regard former military officers?

EzRawlins (ID=96) (Dec 10, 2001 9:25:52 PM)
Barbara, the CSGM requires that the GMAT be take by 1/11, but the deadline is not until 1/15. Would a GMAT taken by 1/15 make the cut?

Betsy_UWM_Adcom (ID=64) (Dec 10, 2001 9:25:52 PM)
ChiGuy, we have 15 CGSM students, 3 first years are fellows. That number can be higher this fall

barbara_cgsm (ID=109) (Dec 10, 2001 9:26:02 PM)
Luis72 the interview will not delay sending your application to schools.

ChiGuy (ID=123) (Dec 10, 2001 9:26:08 PM)

Charlotta (ID=105) (Dec 10, 2001 9:26:14 PM)
Sarah, yes. This is going so fast, I thought that you indicated that you were a Michigan grad

Linda Abraham (ID=88) (Dec 10, 2001 9:26:26 PM)
Let's hold the questions. Lion33 has posed a question to all guests and there are a number of other questions on the floor/screen.

Kris_UMBS_AdCom (ID=101) (Dec 10, 2001 9:26:31 PM)
A - I would like to know what you plan to do with your time now - volunteering, etc.

tg28 (ID=124) (Dec 10, 2001 9:26:41 PM)
Ms. Jones, I did great in my quantitative courses during my masters degree but not so well in my BA, should I enclose my quantitative courses from the masters in my consortium application? (at least for the same courses that I took during my BA)?

Sarah_NYU_Student (ID=86) (Dec 10, 2001 9:26:50 PM)
Yes, Michigan undergrad...but the undergrad b-school was structured similarly to the grad school program.

Sherry -UNC Admiss (ID=94) (Dec 10, 2001 9:26:53 PM)
darryl- specific industry experience can be one of the factors that distinguishes an applicant. Our goal, like all b-schools, is to enroll a class where there will be people with expertise from many segments of biz, life and the world. Make sure you sell that experience as something that makes you worthwhile to your classmates.

Ayesha1908 (ID=65) (Dec 10, 2001 9:26:56 PM)
Kris: u mean right now or in my letter to the schools?

Laurie_CMU_Adcom (ID=80) (Dec 10, 2001 9:26:57 PM)
lion33 - we have a number of military candidates and they often excel in leadership experiences

toure (ID=119) (Dec 10, 2001 9:27:01 PM)
Kris- So for reapps, the additional recommendation probably holds the most weight?

Michelle Miller (ID=125) (Dec 10, 2001 9:27:16 PM)
? Kris, I was at the Upclose weekend and would like to contact a Hispanic women that was on the student panel. I do not remember her name. Is there anyway I could find a list of those who participated that weekend. I would like to talk to her more about Michigan.

Charlotta (ID=105) (Dec 10, 2001 9:27:26 PM)
?Sarah, how long did you wait before going to NYU for MBA

melanie (ID=67) (Dec 10, 2001 9:27:27 PM)
Betsy? I am from PR and English is our second language. I have experienced some difficulty with the Verbal section of the GMAT. It has impacted negatively my GMAT scores. I understand I meet all other requirements for UWM school admission. Will my GMAT score affect my chances to UWM?

Kris_UMBS_AdCom (ID=101) (Dec 10, 2001 9:27:30 PM)
T - no I would say your telling us what you have been doing this past year and how that has made you a stronger reapp is very crucial.

barbara_cgsm (ID=109) (Dec 10, 2001 9:27:33 PM)
ezrawlins chances are you will make the cut. We give the date of the 11th to insure that we will receive your score report in plenty of time.

kim212 (ID=133) (Dec 10, 2001 9:27:59 PM)
Kris- are you familiar with CMU's MBA program?

Charlotta (ID=105) (Dec 10, 2001 9:27:59 PM)
?Range in GMAT? What is the lowest accepted?

Betsy_UWM_Adcom (ID=64) (Dec 10, 2001 9:28:01 PM)
Melanie, your GMAT is a part of the application, but we look at the entire picture.

EzRawlins (ID=96) (Dec 10, 2001 9:28:01 PM)
Thanks, Barbara- that's good to know.

Kris_UMBS_AdCom (ID=101) (Dec 10, 2001 9:28:06 PM)
Michelle - that was probably Darys.

steff (ID=126) (Dec 10, 2001 9:28:20 PM)
Charlotta where are you from?

Ayesha1908 (ID=65) (Dec 10, 2001 9:28:22 PM)
Kris: did u mean right now or in my letter to the schools?

Betsy_UWM_Adcom (ID=64) (Dec 10, 2001 9:28:32 PM)
Melanie, having an interview is helpful and your ability to communicate in person with us.

Jim_Indiana_Adcom (ID=83) (Dec 10, 2001 9:28:33 PM)
tg28-You should definitely provide info about quant courses taken through your graduate program. You'll need to provide transcripts from both undergrad and graduate programs.

Memsahib2003 (ID=69) (Dec 10, 2001 9:28:55 PM)
Michelle\Kris - it wasn't Darys, hey michelle, we at UpClose. I can't remember her name, but I can find out & let you know

Charlotta (ID=105) (Dec 10, 2001 9:28:59 PM)
Steff-I am from Michigan, currently residing in Atlanta.

Kris_UMBS_AdCom (ID=101) (Dec 10, 2001 9:29:02 PM)
A - in your letter to the schools :)

Ayesha1908 (ID=65) (Dec 10, 2001 9:29:07 PM)
thanks :)

djdotcom (ID=81) (Dec 10, 2001 9:29:08 PM)
? Barbara - when should we be worried about lack of application confirmation from CGSM

steff (ID=126) (Dec 10, 2001 9:29:13 PM)
Have you been to Emory?

Darryl (ID=117) (Dec 10, 2001 9:29:19 PM)
Sherry-How important is it for you to get a recommendation from your current supervisor versus a former supervisor?

tg28 (ID=124) (Dec 10, 2001 9:29:24 PM)
consortium asks for two reference letters, would that be ok sending one from my current job and one from my tutor (college)?

Lion33 (ID=98) (Dec 10, 2001 9:29:27 PM)
? Barbara, have many fellowships do you anticipate this year?

AY101 (ID=111) (Dec 10, 2001 9:29:47 PM)
Laurie, since you can't interview with CMU before you turn in your application will CMU be interviewing CGSM students, or will you just use our interview from the CGSM application

Sherry -UNC Admiss (ID=94) (Dec 10, 2001 9:29:51 PM)
kclotman - good question. Think of it this way. Fellowships are a second cut - even more selective than admission. You have to be incredible to be admitted. Then, we try to find the cream of this already wonderful crop for fellowship. Remember, the CGSM Award is a MERIT fellowship.

melanie (ID=67) (Dec 10, 2001 9:29:52 PM)
Betsy? My husband and I interviewed with Lisa Urban on Nov. 30, 2001 and her feedback was positive.

barbara_cgsm (ID=109) (Dec 10, 2001 9:29:58 PM)
djdotcom if you mailed your application to meet the 12/1 deadline, give us a call

Kris_UMBS_AdCom (ID=101) (Dec 10, 2001 9:30:00 PM)
T - I think having two professional recs serves you better, you could include the tutor as an extra

rebecca (ID=62) (Dec 10, 2001 9:30:02 PM)
?does the full time work experience have to be in business

Charlotta (ID=105) (Dec 10, 2001 9:30:04 PM)
?Range in GMAT?

Michelle Miller (ID=125) (Dec 10, 2001 9:30:05 PM)
? I would like her e-mail if possible-Kris or fellow consortium friend

tg28 (ID=124) (Dec 10, 2001 9:30:11 PM)
thanks Jim-Indiana, for your answer

djdotcom (ID=81) (Dec 10, 2001 9:30:13 PM)
thank you

Betsy_UWM_Adcom (ID=64) (Dec 10, 2001 9:30:14 PM)
Melanie that is great.

VA (ID=122) (Dec 10, 2001 9:30:20 PM)
? Laurie, how many Consortium students did CMU accept last year and how many do you anticipate admitting this year?

Laurie_CMU_Adcom (ID=80) (Dec 10, 2001 9:30:27 PM)
ay101... we are interviewing consortium candidates - send me email for details at

Charlotta (ID=105) (Dec 10, 2001 9:30:27 PM)
?Does anyone know about a chat with Michigan?

Kris_UMBS_AdCom (ID=101) (Dec 10, 2001 9:30:28 PM)
R - no, it is more so the impact you had in the role

luis72 (ID=63) (Dec 10, 2001 9:30:31 PM)
?Kris, are there any students with spouses and children I could speak to? I would love to hear about their experiences at UMBS

ChiGuy (ID=123) (Dec 10, 2001 9:30:33 PM)
Laurie - As you know, the upcoming Challenge (?) Weekend at CMU will happen after the final deadline. Do you expect only CMU applicants to be in attendance?

Flantos (ID=145) (Dec 10, 2001 9:30:34 PM)
How are things looking for Native Americans?

Kris_UMBS_AdCom (ID=101) (Dec 10, 2001 9:30:39 PM)
C - we had a UMBS chat last month

Memsahib2003 (ID=69) (Dec 10, 2001 9:30:44 PM)
Michelle: do you still have the list of all the e-mails of the current students

steff (ID=126) (Dec 10, 2001 9:30:47 PM)
Charlotta: do you mind if I get your email address afterwards?

Jorge (ID=143) (Dec 10, 2001 9:30:52 PM)
Sorry, NYU I got disconnected. But, I did get your message about contacting you about the apartment. $3,600?! Wow! Does that include maid service?

luis (ID=141) (Dec 10, 2001 9:30:54 PM)
Do all schools have the same number of fellowships available?

barbara_cgsm (ID=109) (Dec 10, 2001 9:30:56 PM)
Lion33 its hard to say at this point but certainly no less than last year. We offered 315 last year.

Linda Abraham (ID=88) (Dec 10, 2001 9:31:06 PM)
The transcript from the UMBS chat is online.

Laurie_CMU_Adcom (ID=80) (Dec 10, 2001 9:31:12 PM)
chiguy - we definitely hope to see Consortium candidates at our Challenge Weekend in January!

Kris_UMBS_AdCom (ID=101) (Dec 10, 2001 9:31:26 PM)
L - sure thing. I can connect you with some of our current clan. Contact me at and I can help you with that. Same for Michelle re: Darys

melanie (ID=67) (Dec 10, 2001 9:31:29 PM)
Betsy? Are you a current student or faculty staff?

barbara_cgsm (ID=109) (Dec 10, 2001 9:31:37 PM)
luis the number of fellowships vary from school to school.

rebecca (ID=62) (Dec 10, 2001 9:31:43 PM)
?what is the average age of applicants admitted last year?

Sherry -UNC Admiss (ID=94) (Dec 10, 2001 9:31:45 PM)
lion 33- we have wonderful ex-military (and current military) students in our program each year. Critical is making the adm committee see that you can make the transition from military success to non-military when/if necessary

supanu (ID=74) (Dec 10, 2001 9:31:49 PM)
my manager of two years recently retired, his recommendation should be ok... right? note: no business card!

Charlotta (ID=105) (Dec 10, 2001 9:31:52 PM)
Steff, that will be fine. How do you want me to get it to you? Where are you from?

Betsy_UWM_Adcom (ID=64) (Dec 10, 2001 9:31:54 PM)
Melanie, I am a staff member who works specifically with career services.

Jim_Indiana_Adcom (ID=83) (Dec 10, 2001 9:31:54 PM)
Luis-not all schools have the same number of fellowships. The majority of each school's fellowships are funded by the schools themselves, which is why we have different numbers of fellowships.

Sarah_NYU_Student (ID=86) (Dec 10, 2001 9:31:57 PM)
Jorge... no, but there are 4 of us and for the space & location it's reasonable. Plus there are broker fees sometimes. I'm sure you could find something more affordable.

Michelle Miller (ID=125) (Dec 10, 2001 9:32:02 PM)
Okay Kris, thank you.

Lion33 (ID=98) (Dec 10, 2001 9:32:07 PM)
thanks, Barbara & Sherry.

Charlotta (ID=105) (Dec 10, 2001 9:32:09 PM)
Thanks, Sarah, I will contact you!

tg28 (ID=124) (Dec 10, 2001 9:32:19 PM)
My work experience is mainly in Public Policy, since I have a Masters Degree in Public Policy, is that experience as valuable as experience from business in general when assessing the application?

Charlotta (ID=105) (Dec 10, 2001 9:32:47 PM)
?With the downturn in the economy, how has that impacted the number of applications so far?

Betsy_UWM_Adcom (ID=64) (Dec 10, 2001 9:32:49 PM)
tg28, professional experience is always good.

ChiGuy (ID=123) (Dec 10, 2001 9:32:53 PM)
Barbara - Are there any plans to add additional schools to the CGSM roster next year?

steff (ID=126) (Dec 10, 2001 9:32:56 PM)
Barbara: One of the essay questions asks that you describe a professional accomplishment, what if your work experience hasn't been extensive. What should we do?

tg28 (ID=124) (Dec 10, 2001 9:33:02 PM)
thank you Betsy

Kris_UMBS_AdCom (ID=101) (Dec 10, 2001 9:33:05 PM)
Tg - would likely be, but we will look to you to tell us what you think is useful and how it ties to your goals.

barbara_cgsm (ID=109) (Dec 10, 2001 9:33:06 PM)
So far applications seem to be up

steff (ID=126) (Dec 10, 2001 9:33:06 PM)
Charlotta: I'm from NY

colombiansupremo (ID=127) (Dec 10, 2001 9:33:15 PM)
Barbara - What are the odds that an applicant who gets admitted to his/her first choice school would be awarded the fellowship? Are these chances enhanced if the person applies early? Thank you.

Lion33 (ID=98) (Dec 10, 2001 9:33:15 PM)
?Barbara, what does your typical fellow "look" like?

Laurie_CMU_Adcom (ID=80) (Dec 10, 2001 9:33:17 PM)
rebecca - at CMU average age is about 28 when students joined our program this year.

Betsy_UWM_Adcom (ID=64) (Dec 10, 2001 9:33:19 PM)
tg28, you must show the schools your transferable skills and communicate your leadership and team work abilities.

steff (ID=126) (Dec 10, 2001 9:33:29 PM)
Charlotta: and I want to apply to Michigan and Emory.

rebecca (ID=62) (Dec 10, 2001 9:33:34 PM)
thank you

jeff (ID=130) (Dec 10, 2001 9:33:34 PM)
Haas requires CGSM applicants to submit the Berkeley application by Dec.14. Does this mean the CGSM application must be submitted by Dec.14 also?

barbara_cgsm (ID=109) (Dec 10, 2001 9:33:36 PM)
chiguy there are no plans at this time to add schools next year.

Charlotta (ID=105) (Dec 10, 2001 9:33:39 PM)
Steff-my e-mail address is

ChiGuy (ID=123) (Dec 10, 2001 9:33:43 PM)

Sherry -UNC Admiss (ID=94) (Dec 10, 2001 9:33:45 PM)
darryl- if you have good reasons for not using current employer (such as not wanting to tell them you are considering leaving), then no problem. Just make sure you give us enough info in an essay (required or optional) to let us know that there are not performance related issues keeping you from using current employer.

VA (ID=122) (Dec 10, 2001 9:33:45 PM)
? barbara, when should I call to ask for the status of my app. I am told to wait since you guys are still working on apps. but if I wait until someone from the Consortium tells me something is missing it may be too late.

rebecca (ID=62) (Dec 10, 2001 9:33:51 PM)
?will being much younger be a hindrance in the application process

Darryl (ID=117) (Dec 10, 2001 9:34:01 PM)
thanks sherry

rico (ID=147) (Dec 10, 2001 9:34:05 PM)

AY101 (ID=111) (Dec 10, 2001 9:34:15 PM)
Barbara, I felt that I could improve my GMAT score by taking it one more time, which I will do on Wed. After that my application will be complete. If I send out the app this weekend will it sit in the CGSM office until the rest of the Jan. 15 apps are received.

tg28 (ID=124) (Dec 10, 2001 9:34:15 PM)
yes, I'm positive my experience is transferable to management in general, thanks again

djdotcom (ID=81) (Dec 10, 2001 9:34:22 PM)
VA is your application status according to the CGSM website still not updated?

VA (ID=122) (Dec 10, 2001 9:34:37 PM)
djdotcom, yes.

Betsy_UWM_Adcom (ID=64) (Dec 10, 2001 9:34:38 PM)
rebecca, age is not focus but experience and what you can bring to a program is.

EzRawlins (ID=96) (Dec 10, 2001 9:34:38 PM)
Sherry- this is probably a silly question that you get all the time- but I'll ask it anyway. On paper, UNC is my top choice, but could my wife find a life in Chapel Hill? She's a lawyer with a great skill set, but I'm afraid she'll divorce me if I move her to Chapel Hill.

Jim_Indiana_Adcom (ID=83) (Dec 10, 2001 9:34:44 PM)
Lion33- each school selects their own fellows, so there is no "typical" fellow, although they are all talented, motivated MBA candidates with great potential.

rebecca (ID=62) (Dec 10, 2001 9:34:45 PM)
thank you

Charlotta (ID=105) (Dec 10, 2001 9:34:45 PM)

djdotcom (ID=81) (Dec 10, 2001 9:34:45 PM)
mine is also "blank"

Flantos (ID=145) (Dec 10, 2001 9:34:49 PM)
Barbara, is it too late to start applying? I have only recently found out about consortium and made my mind up to pursue it.

Kris_UMBS_AdCom (ID=101) (Dec 10, 2001 9:34:57 PM)
rebecca - not as long as you can demonstrate your leadership and achievements

Charlotta (ID=105) (Dec 10, 2001 9:34:59 PM)
Sarah-Thanks a lot.

Lion33 (ID=98) (Dec 10, 2001 9:35:08 PM)
thanks, Jim

tg28 (ID=124) (Dec 10, 2001 9:35:11 PM)
Ms. Jones, sorry If this question was posted before, how many applicants is expecting consortium for this year?

luis (ID=141) (Dec 10, 2001 9:35:22 PM)
Jim and Barbara thanks for your reply. Is there anyone from Berkeley on the chat? Or does anyone know how many Consortium students get accepted at Haas?

Charlotta (ID=105) (Dec 10, 2001 9:35:24 PM)
?Downturn in the economy......number applications received so far?

Laurie_CMU_Adcom (ID=80) (Dec 10, 2001 9:35:34 PM)
rebecca - many schools like to see at least 2-3 years experience, age isn't the factor and experience is

rebecca (ID=62) (Dec 10, 2001 9:35:44 PM)

Ayesha1908 (ID=65) (Dec 10, 2001 9:35:44 PM)
? adcomms: I have been researching scholarships, and some of the scholarships I have found e.g. Datatel Scholars require the SCHOOL to submit the app. how do I handle this since I have not yet been admitted anywhere?

barbara_cgsm (ID=109) (Dec 10, 2001 9:35:47 PM)
steff this question is better answered by the schools to which you are applying. The Consortium does not participate in the admission decision. I would suggest that you contact the admissions people at your schools of choice.

djdotcom (ID=81) (Dec 10, 2001 9:36:14 PM)
Any Haas adcomm out there?

Sherry -UNC Admiss (ID=94) (Dec 10, 2001 9:36:21 PM)
EzRawlins - Have you visited Chapel Hill. Most people don't want to leave. I'm happy to have some partners of current students contact your wife. Email me at the office at:

steff (ID=126) (Dec 10, 2001 9:36:24 PM)
thank you will do

toure (ID=119) (Dec 10, 2001 9:37:11 PM)
barbara- do you expect to award the same number of scholarships this year?

Linda Abraham (ID=88) (Dec 10, 2001 9:37:14 PM)
Any questions for Jim_Indiana?

kim212 (ID=133) (Dec 10, 2001 9:37:14 PM)
Laurie- Is it too late to pursue applying for the Spring semester and I have not even taken the GMATS?

Charlotta (ID=105) (Dec 10, 2001 9:37:45 PM)
?What is the outlook on accepted applications right now? Is it more of an advantage to apply for early decision rather than late?

Laurie_CMU_Adcom (ID=80) (Dec 10, 2001 9:37:49 PM)
Kim - we only start in Fall semester and it is not too late to apply.

melanie (ID=67) (Dec 10, 2001 9:37:50 PM)
Betsy? I am scheduled to retake the GMAT on Dec. 27. if I am still not satisfied with my score should I schedule to retake it and send the scores directly to UWM even after the CGSM deadline of Jan. 15?

barbara_cgsm (ID=109) (Dec 10, 2001 9:37:53 PM)
Flantos if you feel that you can put together a quality application by January 15, it is not too late. Remember, you have to take the GMAT if you have not already done so as well as gather letters of recommendation, etc. It is not impossible, but you want to make certain that your application is competitive.

gabe (ID=121) (Dec 10, 2001 9:38:00 PM)
Regarding employers, I used references from my prior employer because I had been with my current one for only 4 months when it was time to apply. When the AdComm looks at my resume/CGSM app, will they realize that?

Kris_UMBS_AdCom (ID=101) (Dec 10, 2001 9:38:07 PM)
c - it is an app by app process. I don't see a big difference in Dec 1 vs. Jan 15

tg28 (ID=124) (Dec 10, 2001 9:38:24 PM)
I haven't taken the GMAT either, but I think is ok as far as you take it before Jan 1st

Linda Abraham (ID=88) (Dec 10, 2001 9:38:27 PM)
Any questions for Keith_USC?

Charlotta (ID=105) (Dec 10, 2001 9:38:30 PM)
Thanks Kris.

kb (ID=70) (Dec 10, 2001 9:38:32 PM)
? Barbara, will the consortium be adding schools next year? Are you still in "expansion mode?"

Betsy_UWM_Adcom (ID=64) (Dec 10, 2001 9:38:35 PM)
melanie, I would send your GMAT scores to all schools in which you applied.

Ann (ID=107) (Dec 10, 2001 9:38:38 PM)
? Jim Indiana Univ., I'm not sure if I am still in your queue, but will it be okay if I submit my CGSM IU essay after 1/15? I will not be able to visit IU before then.

Flantos (ID=145) (Dec 10, 2001 9:38:56 PM)
Thanks Barbara

kim212 (ID=133) (Dec 10, 2001 9:39:03 PM)
Thanks Laurie-that gives me time to really think about my decision. I am really confused. Do you think that I can gain the same technical skills in an MBA program?

Nelson (ID=131) (Dec 10, 2001 9:39:11 PM)
Barbara, I took the GMAT but it was not good, I also did the interview and it went well, Can I wait until Jan 11(where I am taking the GMAT again) to apply or should I apply now ?

EzRawlins (ID=96) (Dec 10, 2001 9:39:13 PM)
Sherry- I have not. I live in NYC (which is not an excuse) I'll Email you at work. I did meet a Chapel Hill alum that really blew me away with his enthusiasm for the school.

Betsy_UWM_Adcom (ID=64) (Dec 10, 2001 9:39:14 PM)
melanie, after the deadline date if you take it again at the end of January.

jeff (ID=130) (Dec 10, 2001 9:39:15 PM)
?CGSM: Considering the Haas application must be submitted by Dec.14, must the CGSM application also arrive before the January deadline?

Jim_Indiana_Adcom (ID=83) (Dec 10, 2001 9:39:16 PM)
Ann-that should be fine. Just try to get it to us by the end of the month.

rebecca (ID=62) (Dec 10, 2001 9:39:17 PM)
that is my question too

Sherry -UNC Admiss (ID=94) (Dec 10, 2001 9:39:29 PM)
All of you - please keep in mind that the number of CGSM applications should not be a huge concern to you. You are competing for admission within each school's entire applicant pool. You are not just competing against other CGSM applicants. For the fellowship, yes, the pool is other CGSM applicants, but again, it is driven by the individual school's pool.

rebecca (ID=62) (Dec 10, 2001 9:39:29 PM)
about the technical experience

Darryl (ID=117) (Dec 10, 2001 9:39:44 PM)
This question is for the entire board. Do you group applicants based on similar backgrounds and then rate the applicant? For example, will you compare engineers with engineers... etc...

Ann (ID=107) (Dec 10, 2001 9:39:45 PM)
Thanks, Jim!

Traci (ID=140) (Dec 10, 2001 9:40:00 PM)
Good question Darryl!!!

Kris_UMBS_AdCom (ID=101) (Dec 10, 2001 9:40:00 PM)
D - you give us too much credit - it is really app by app.

Laurie_CMU_Adcom (ID=80) (Dec 10, 2001 9:40:08 PM) is possible to build your tech skills as much as you want, while building your business leadership skills by choosing electives that interest you.

Charlotta (ID=105) (Dec 10, 2001 9:40:14 PM)
?Is there any way we can call the the Consortium to get feedback from our interviews?

barbara_cgsm (ID=109) (Dec 10, 2001 9:40:18 PM)
ay101 we will ship your application as soon as we process it

Betsy_UWM_Adcom (ID=64) (Dec 10, 2001 9:40:23 PM)
Darryl, it is based on each school and their app pool

Qiana (ID=134) (Dec 10, 2001 9:40:42 PM)
? for all adcomm - I'm interested in pursuing an MBA with an International Business focus... however I don't have strong foreign language skills (I realized too late in college what I wanted to do, and didn't have time to take the courses). Are any MBA programs flexible enough where I can learn another language while there?

kim212 (ID=133) (Dec 10, 2001 9:40:56 PM)
Thanks. Is there anyway that I can contact you for more questions?

kclotman (ID=91) (Dec 10, 2001 9:40:59 PM)
? Jim - You once mentioned that attending minority students weekends was a sign of keen interest in the school (as does submitting optional essays). Do you match up weekend participants to students who are applying?

luis72 (ID=63) (Dec 10, 2001 9:41:01 PM)
? Kris - what is UMBS doing to maintain/improve the quality of its MBA program?

Yrunga (ID=108) (Dec 10, 2001 9:41:09 PM)
Jim_Indiana - I met you the weekend of the Minority event. You drew a great map of campus for me :) My question is about GMAT score. I know you look at the application as a whole, but how much does your score truly affect your ability to be admitted?

Kris_UMBS_AdCom (ID=101) (Dec 10, 2001 9:41:10 PM)
Q - it might be tough to learn something from scratch, but there are opportunities to work on your language.

Marcus (ID=72) (Dec 10, 2001 9:41:14 PM)
Keith: I'm interest in USC (entrepreneurship and management). Should I set up a second interview with USC?

Laurie_CMU_Adcom (ID=80) (Dec 10, 2001 9:41:16 PM)
Qiana - we offer 4 languages as electives in the MBA program.

Betsy_UWM_Adcom (ID=64) (Dec 10, 2001 9:41:19 PM)
Qiana, our program has elective courses where you can add language skills...

Sherry -UNC Admiss (ID=94) (Dec 10, 2001 9:41:25 PM)
ez- I have found that New Yorkers become Chapel Hill's biggest devotees. We are a wonderful place in which to spend 2 years, regardless of where you want to be long term. I look forward to hearing from you.

Betsy_UWM_Adcom (ID=64) (Dec 10, 2001 9:41:42 PM)
we also offer classes on "business" level languages

Kris_UMBS_AdCom (ID=101) (Dec 10, 2001 9:41:51 PM)
L - we are constantly reviewing our offerings and making changes based on input from the community

ChiGuy (ID=123) (Dec 10, 2001 9:41:52 PM)
Adcom - Have any students been accepted into your program who have ranked it other than 1 or 2?

Jim_Indiana_Adcom (ID=83) (Dec 10, 2001 9:41:57 PM)
Kclotman-When we review applications we certainly know who attended our weekend (just as we know about others who may have expressed interest in other ways).

melanie (ID=67) (Dec 10, 2001 9:42:00 PM)
Barbara? One of my references was filled by a former work colleague and her contact information has changed. Should I send the new information and how? Email?

barbara_cgsm (ID=109) (Dec 10, 2001 9:42:04 PM)
Nelson you can send your application now and let us know that you want it held until we get your 1/11 GMAT

Nelson (ID=131) (Dec 10, 2001 9:42:33 PM)
Thanks, Barbara

toure (ID=119) (Dec 10, 2001 9:42:41 PM)
Jim- how is the number of consortium scholarships awarded at each school determined?

barbara_cgsm (ID=109) (Dec 10, 2001 9:42:46 PM)
melanie email that information to .

Qiana (ID=134) (Dec 10, 2001 9:42:55 PM)
Betsy - is UWM having any visitation programs soon? I have family in Milwaukee, so it'd be easy for me to come up there for one, if applicable.

Ayesha1908 (ID=65) (Dec 10, 2001 9:42:55 PM)
?jim: I submitted my optional essay via email, but never received a confirmation of receipt. figuring that the office is extremely busy, at what point would it be good to check and see if that was received?

tg28 (ID=124) (Dec 10, 2001 9:43:07 PM)
Barbara, I'm a little confused, if I'm taking the GMAT on December 19th, is it ok to send the whole application before Jan 15th or do you recommend sending it before?

Charlotta (ID=105) (Dec 10, 2001 9:43:20 PM)
?do you suggest to apply via e-mail, or just mail it off?

Sarah_NYU_Student (ID=86) (Dec 10, 2001 9:43:24 PM)
Qiana, from a student's perspective, this may be a very difficult task... between studying, job search, and socializing there's not a lot of time left over... but nothing's impossible. There really is A LOT to do... group meetings, club activities, researching companies you want to work for... the list goes on.

Betsy_UWM_Adcom (ID=64) (Dec 10, 2001 9:43:26 PM)
Qiana, we welcome visits year round and will work with your schedule and when you are in town...

Sherry -UNC Admiss (ID=94) (Dec 10, 2001 9:43:38 PM)
darryl -at UNC, we don't have such a system. I will say, however, that experience teaches us how to compare diff backgrounds without doing it in such a formal way as you've described

Betsy_UWM_Adcom (ID=64) (Dec 10, 2001 9:43:44 PM)
please feel free to e-mail me at to set up a visit

Charlotta (ID=105) (Dec 10, 2001 9:43:46 PM)
?How can we get the feedback that we received from the interviews?

gabe (ID=121) (Dec 10, 2001 9:43:50 PM)
AdComm - regarding TOEFL. If an applicant gets a verbal score of 32+ in the GMAT even though English is his/her 2nd language. Is the TOEFL needed?

Charlotta (ID=105) (Dec 10, 2001 9:44:06 PM)
?How much are the interviews with the consortium weighed?

luis72 (ID=63) (Dec 10, 2001 9:44:27 PM)
? to all admissions directors: I have not been able to visit all of the schools I am applying to because of time and money constraints. How else can I show my interest and compete with prospective students who visited you?

Kris_UMBS_AdCom (ID=101) (Dec 10, 2001 9:44:29 PM)
C - you won't get specific feedback on your interview performance

Jeff Reid (ID=132) (Dec 10, 2001 9:44:29 PM)
How much is the GMAT weighed in the app process?

Marcus (ID=72) (Dec 10, 2001 9:44:39 PM)
For All Adcoms: What do you consider to be a significant GMAT score improvement? Above 50? Above 20?

barbara_cgsm (ID=109) (Dec 10, 2001 9:44:45 PM)
tg28 if all you are waiting for is the GMAT, you can send your application now. We will hold it until your GMAT arrives.

Jim_Indiana_Adcom (ID=83) (Dec 10, 2001 9:44:53 PM)
Y-hope the map worked... The GMAT is one factor among many. We will certainly look for other strengths to balance a lower score. A score too low (and I don't know what too low is...) may be hard to balance.

Betsy_UWM_Adcom (ID=64) (Dec 10, 2001 9:44:55 PM)
Charlotta, interviews are part of the big picture. they can help to answer questions that might not be addressed in your essays

Qiana (ID=134) (Dec 10, 2001 9:44:57 PM)
Thanks Betsy. Is there someone in particular I should contact about setting up a visit?

Kris_UMBS_AdCom (ID=101) (Dec 10, 2001 9:45:14 PM)
L - do your research, express your interest in your school specific essay, network with grads from the program in your city

ATLMBA (ID=73) (Dec 10, 2001 9:45:16 PM)
?How many people applied last year through the consortium?

Sherry -UNC Admiss (ID=94) (Dec 10, 2001 9:45:18 PM)
Qiana- at UNC many of our MBA students are enrolled in Working Spanish (several levels). You also would be able to take classes at the undergrad school, which offers the full range of language courses.

Betsy_UWM_Adcom (ID=64) (Dec 10, 2001 9:45:19 PM)
Qiana, you can contact me directly at

Charlotta (ID=105) (Dec 10, 2001 9:45:20 PM)
Thanks Betsy

Jeff Reid (ID=132) (Dec 10, 2001 9:45:23 PM)
What is considered high on the GMAT? low?

Laurie_CMU_Adcom (ID=80) (Dec 10, 2001 9:45:23 PM)
luis - one way is to contact the schools and make sure they know your interest - send a separate essay.

Charlotta (ID=105) (Dec 10, 2001 9:45:41 PM)
?What is a good score improvement on the GMAT?

Kris_UMBS_AdCom (ID=101) (Dec 10, 2001 9:45:52 PM)
Marcus - it is more the total score vs. the improvement

Lion33 (ID=98) (Dec 10, 2001 9:45:55 PM)
?Adcom, as someone who lives in very rural New Mexico, I am concerned with how not doing an interview is portrayed. Can you please shed some light on this for me?

Yrunga (ID=108) (Dec 10, 2001 9:46:05 PM)
Thanks Jim_Indiana: ALSO, what three qualities/skills make an applicant a good match with Kelley?

Ayesha1908 (ID=65) (Dec 10, 2001 9:46:14 PM)
? jim did u see my last question?

steff (ID=126) (Dec 10, 2001 9:46:15 PM)
Betsy: would you mind if I contacted you as well, I'm in a similar position as Qiana

Qiana (ID=134) (Dec 10, 2001 9:46:16 PM)
Betsy - -will do. That definitely sounds like something I'm interested in.

Kris_UMBS_AdCom (ID=101) (Dec 10, 2001 9:46:17 PM)
Lion - you can always do a phone interview with a school (at least we have them and I think most do)

rebecca (ID=62) (Dec 10, 2001 9:46:22 PM)
?do we send the separate essay through the consortium or to the school directly

Betsy_UWM_Adcom (ID=64) (Dec 10, 2001 9:46:27 PM)
steff, that would be great

Kris_UMBS_AdCom (ID=101) (Dec 10, 2001 9:46:37 PM)
Rebecca - to the school directly

Lion33 (ID=98) (Dec 10, 2001 9:46:37 PM)
Thanks, Kris

Laurie_CMU_Adcom (ID=80) (Dec 10, 2001 9:46:40 PM)
rebecca - you can send them to schools directly

Charlotta (ID=105) (Dec 10, 2001 9:46:50 PM)
?What seems to have been the most difficult of all the associated schools to get into?

EzRawlins (ID=96) (Dec 10, 2001 9:46:57 PM)
What are some of the other benefits to being in the Consortium (aside from the fellowship)? I've heard about the job fair and the social opportunities- have I missed anything?

luis72 (ID=63) (Dec 10, 2001 9:47:04 PM)
? Kris, there are no consortium alumni who attended UMBS living in Miami (as far as I can see in the consortium website.) Can I get the name's of some graduates who are not part of the consortium?

Sherry -UNC Admiss (ID=94) (Dec 10, 2001 9:47:08 PM)
chiguy- for sure. UNC admits applicants based on how competitive their applications are relative the other applicants in the pool.

Jim_Indiana_Adcom (ID=83) (Dec 10, 2001 9:47:12 PM)
Hi Toure- Each consortium school gets an equal share of the "pie," money from Consortium corporate sponsors. Schools also contribute their own money to add more fellowships. We currently have 49 Consortium fellows (first and second years combined). The money from the consortium pays for about 6 or 7 of them. The balance are paid for by IU.

steff (ID=126) (Dec 10, 2001 9:47:13 PM)
thank you!

Betsy_UWM_Adcom (ID=64) (Dec 10, 2001 9:47:22 PM)
ez, networking with other students across the US and employers

Qiana (ID=134) (Dec 10, 2001 9:47:26 PM)
Thanks Sherry - if I take classes at the undergrad school, would those use up my electives?

tg28 (ID=124) (Dec 10, 2001 9:47:26 PM)
Thanks, Barbara, but I'm still working on my essays, do you recommend me to apply as soon as possible, I mean, if I apply for the regular deadline, does that jeopardize my chances with consortium or with the Universities?

Kris_UMBS_AdCom (ID=101) (Dec 10, 2001 9:47:27 PM)
Ez - the networking via the Consortium is unmatched - the orientation program is phenomenal

rrr (ID=110) (Dec 10, 2001 9:47:44 PM)
Linda - I am an applicant with less than a years work experience, graduating almost a year and a half ago. I was recently laid off. Initially, I had trouble finding employment and currently the search has resumed. How will this be viewed by the Consortium and member schools.

kb (ID=70) (Dec 10, 2001 9:47:55 PM)
? Laurie, what factors led CMU to join the consortium? Is it a competitive process?

Sarah_NYU_Student (ID=86) (Dec 10, 2001 9:48:01 PM)
Ez... the CGSM's orientation program in the summer is fantastic!! I already had a dozen friends at NYU before I arrived!

Lion33 (ID=98) (Dec 10, 2001 9:48:06 PM)
? Barbara, is the fellowship just for tuition or does it include a stipend, too?

barbara_cgsm (ID=109) (Dec 10, 2001 9:48:14 PM)
tg28 no you don't compromise your position by submitting 1/15

Linda Abraham (ID=88) (Dec 10, 2001 9:48:14 PM)
I'm not with the Consortium so I'll let one of our guests respond directly.

Kris_UMBS_AdCom (ID=101) (Dec 10, 2001 9:48:20 PM)
rrr - you will have to make a strong case on your leadership and what you have been able to achieve in this period of time

toure (ID=119) (Dec 10, 2001 9:48:22 PM)
Thanks Jim!

ChiGuy (ID=123) (Dec 10, 2001 9:48:25 PM)
Thanks Sherry.

tg28 (ID=124) (Dec 10, 2001 9:48:26 PM)
thank you so much, Barbara

rrr (ID=110) (Dec 10, 2001 9:48:27 PM)

barbara_cgsm (ID=109) (Dec 10, 2001 9:48:33 PM)
lion33 the fellowship is tuition and fees.

Jim_Indiana_Adcom (ID=83) (Dec 10, 2001 9:48:37 PM)
Ayesha-e-mail me at and I will check to see if we have the optional essay.

Ayesha1908 (ID=65) (Dec 10, 2001 9:48:42 PM)
ok no problem

EzRawlins (ID=96) (Dec 10, 2001 9:48:45 PM)
Thanks-what's the orientation program like?

Lion33 (ID=98) (Dec 10, 2001 9:48:46 PM)
Thanks, Barbars

Breakmaster (ID=156) (Dec 10, 2001 9:48:47 PM)
Question: Can I email my school-specific essays directly to the schools or do they have to be sent via email? Thanks.

Laurie_CMU_Adcom (ID=80) (Dec 10, 2001 9:48:56 PM)
hi kb - we've wanted to be a member of the Consortium for a long time - it provides great opportunities for our students!

Ayesha1908 (ID=65) (Dec 10, 2001 9:48:57 PM)
thanks @ jim

Charlotta (ID=105) (Dec 10, 2001 9:49:02 PM)
?Someone please answer the question on the lowest/Highest GMAT scores?

Linda Abraham (ID=88) (Dec 10, 2001 9:49:12 PM)
Charlotta, please repost.

Kris_UMBS_AdCom (ID=101) (Dec 10, 2001 9:49:16 PM)
Breakmaster - for Michigan either email or regular mail is ok

colombiansupremo (ID=127) (Dec 10, 2001 9:49:22 PM)
Barbara - what is the percentage of applicants admitted by their first choice school, who are awarded the fellowship?

Jim_Indiana_Adcom (ID=83) (Dec 10, 2001 9:49:29 PM)
Yrunga-sorry for the late response. Three qualities: team player, motivated, focused.

Charlotta (ID=105) (Dec 10, 2001 9:49:37 PM)
?What is the lowest GMAT score reported for a fellowship?

Yrunga (ID=108) (Dec 10, 2001 9:49:53 PM)
JIM: no worries, thank you

barbara_cgsm (ID=109) (Dec 10, 2001 9:50:00 PM)
colombiasupremo we don't track that

Charlotta (ID=105) (Dec 10, 2001 9:50:03 PM)
?With the downturn in the economy, what impact has that had on the applications thus far?

Stephanie (ID=153) (Dec 10, 2001 9:50:04 PM)
Barbara, I have been out of school for eight years. How will this be viewed by the Consortium and member schools?

Marcus (ID=72) (Dec 10, 2001 9:50:07 PM)
Kris: I went to UMBS undergrad and Michigan if my first choice for my first choice. Given that the Consortium Essays are not specific, should I write an essay specifically for UMBS. Tell professor Afuah I said hello!

Sarah_NYU_Student (ID=86) (Dec 10, 2001 9:50:07 PM)
EZ...There is a job fair at the end...many people already had offers for summer internships before school even started. There were also several social activities, speakers, & panels.

EzRawlins (ID=96) (Dec 10, 2001 9:50:21 PM)

Kris_UMBS_AdCom (ID=101) (Dec 10, 2001 9:50:23 PM)
Marcus - yes, please do, and I will

Qiana (ID=134) (Dec 10, 2001 9:50:28 PM)
Sarah - thanks for your perspective. I didn't realize there was so much out of classroom commitments on time as well.

Sherry -UNC Admiss (ID=94) (Dec 10, 2001 9:50:33 PM)
qiana- each school will be different. We allow students to apply 12 credit hours of elective courses outside the MBA Program toward the MBA Degree. Many students take more hours, however - they just don't count toward the MBA. Depends on how big a load you want to take.

ATLMBA (ID=73) (Dec 10, 2001 9:50:46 PM)
?Barbara, how many people applied last year to the Consortium?

luis72 (ID=63) (Dec 10, 2001 9:50:47 PM)
? Sherry - I visited UNC, interviewed there and have kept in touch with several students. What else can I do to show you my interest in KFBS?

Laurie_CMU_Adcom (ID=80) (Dec 10, 2001 9:50:56 PM)
Charlotta - applications have increased this year

Jim_Indiana_Adcom (ID=83) (Dec 10, 2001 9:51:05 PM)
Stephanie- while our entering class has an average of 5 years, remember that means some have more, some have less. 8 years shouldn't be a problem.

Michelle Miller (ID=125) (Dec 10, 2001 9:51:06 PM)
? Kris- I realize IMAP is an option for international experience, but how often do students study abroad for a semester or so. Is one program more popular than another? Any reasons for either?

gabe (ID=121) (Dec 10, 2001 9:51:12 PM)
Repost for AdComm - if a candidate does very well in the verbal part of the GMAT and English is his/her 2nd language is the TOEFL necessary?

dperry (ID=151) (Dec 10, 2001 9:51:28 PM)
Hi Kris, I'd like to visit and interview on campus and have that serve as my consortium interview. do I need to do anything other than schedule the interview directly with UMBS?

barbara_cgsm (ID=109) (Dec 10, 2001 9:51:32 PM)
Stephanie it has no bearing on your application. The average age of our students is 27. The range is 21-39.

Linda Abraham (ID=88) (Dec 10, 2001 9:51:37 PM)
Luis72, in your essays you can show how UNC supports your goals and is a match for your educational style.

Charlotta (ID=105) (Dec 10, 2001 9:51:37 PM)
?will more awards be given due to the increased number of applicants, or does that mean more of a negative impact?

AY101 (ID=111) (Dec 10, 2001 9:51:43 PM)
barbara when you say fees does that include mandatory computers or books?

Yrunga (ID=108) (Dec 10, 2001 9:51:49 PM)
JIM and other Adcomm's: As far as fellowships go, do you make any distinction on the ethnicity of the applicant? Do you allot a certain number of fellowships for Hispanics, African-Americans and Native-Americans?

tonjiz (ID=137) (Dec 10, 2001 9:51:50 PM)
What books or software is a good resource to prepare for the GMAT? I am taking it 1/4.

tg28 (ID=124) (Dec 10, 2001 9:51:57 PM)
gabe, I asked for the same and the TOEFL is required by the Universities, not by the Consortium, so I took it

Kris_UMBS_AdCom (ID=101) (Dec 10, 2001 9:52:06 PM)
Michelle - you can currently choose from over 10 study abroad programs, but we also have William Davidson internships, Global project courses, etc. I think LBS is probably one of the most popular, but I don't know for sure

Breakmaster (ID=156) (Dec 10, 2001 9:52:09 PM)
If there is someone from NYU and Carnegie Mellon: Can I send my school-specific essays directly to the schools??? These are the optional essays that are part of the Consortium application but must be sent directly to the school. Thanks Univ. of Mich. for your answer!

Kris_UMBS_AdCom (ID=101) (Dec 10, 2001 9:52:22 PM)
Yrunga - we do not have a distinction

Charlotta (ID=105) (Dec 10, 2001 9:52:26 PM)
tonjiz-I would recommend the official guide to the GMAT by ETS. Go to their web site

Laurie_CMU_Adcom (ID=80) (Dec 10, 2001 9:52:31 PM)
hi Breakmaster - you can send CMU essays to me at

Breakmaster (ID=156) (Dec 10, 2001 9:52:33 PM)
Correction: Can I send them via email?

Jim_Indiana_Adcom (ID=83) (Dec 10, 2001 9:52:35 PM)
Gabe-check with each school-policies may vary. At Indiana, U.S. citizens and permanent residents are not required to take the TOEFL, even if English is their second language.

tonjiz (ID=137) (Dec 10, 2001 9:52:43 PM)
thanks Charlotta

gabe (ID=121) (Dec 10, 2001 9:52:46 PM)
Thanks tg, Jim!

Kris_UMBS_AdCom (ID=101) (Dec 10, 2001 9:53:05 PM)
dperry - you can contact us on the web and arrange to join us for "your Day at Michigan" it includes a tour a class, etc

Linda Abraham (ID=88) (Dec 10, 2001 9:53:06 PM)
Any questions re: Wisconsin or NYU?

Sherry -UNC Admiss (ID=94) (Dec 10, 2001 9:53:11 PM)
charlotta- your question is not easy, nor will it be same answer for each school. Each school will admit candidates (including the CGSM applicants) whose GMAT scores cover a wide range. At UNC, we admitted last season a range from 530 to 800. Now, I'd be dishonest if I suggested there were many admits on that bottom end, but there were some. Several have enrolled and are performing well in our very competitive curriculum.

tg28 (ID=124) (Dec 10, 2001 9:53:17 PM)
Gabe, NYU, Virginia and Michigan ask for the TOEFL

rico (ID=149) (Dec 10, 2001 9:53:22 PM)
Sarah? If accepted to NYU I would be very interested in studying at ESADE in Barcelona for a semester. Do you know the level of language proficiency of those who have gone to a Spanish speaking university? Basically, do you have to speak as a native speaker to qualify?

Breakmaster (ID=156) (Dec 10, 2001 9:53:27 PM)
Thanks Laurie.

Sarah_NYU_Student (ID=86) (Dec 10, 2001 9:53:34 PM)
tonjiz, I used found it very helpful practicing with software, it's very different from pen & paper. I think as long as the study materials have some kind of software it will provide you with enough material/preparation.

Jim_Indiana_Adcom (ID=83) (Dec 10, 2001 9:53:35 PM)
Yrunga-while we like to have representation from all populations, we do not have set targets for numbers of fellowships by ethnicity

Qiana (ID=134) (Dec 10, 2001 9:53:41 PM)
Sherry - may I contact you later with questions?

Laurie_CMU_Adcom (ID=80) (Dec 10, 2001 9:53:41 PM)
you're welcome, Breakmaster :-)

luis72 (ID=63) (Dec 10, 2001 9:53:45 PM)
? Laurie - can you provide me with a list of CMU alumni in the Miami area?

Stephanie (ID=153) (Dec 10, 2001 9:53:46 PM)
Barbara, I fed-ex my application on Nov. 30. Will I still be considered for the early application process? Dec. 30th was on a Saturday.

barbara_cgsm (ID=109) (Dec 10, 2001 9:53:54 PM)
AY101 that does not include computers or books. It includes any matriculation fees charged by the schools (i.e. activities fees, etc.)

Laurie_CMU_Adcom (ID=80) (Dec 10, 2001 9:54:00 PM)
sure Luis - send me email at

craig (ID=97) (Dec 10, 2001 9:54:07 PM)
?Is 53 too far outside the age range for a traditional MBA student?

barbara_cgsm (ID=109) (Dec 10, 2001 9:54:11 PM)
Stephanie yes

Darryl (ID=117) (Dec 10, 2001 9:54:13 PM)
This question is for the entire board. Will too much work experience weigh against you in any way?

Sherry -UNC Admiss (ID=94) (Dec 10, 2001 9:54:28 PM)
stephanie- we enroll many students with 8 yrs or more work experience post undergrad. Your challenge is to show that you have progressed well in that time AND that you have very sound reasons for pausing now to get the MBA.

Qiana (ID=134) (Dec 10, 2001 9:54:36 PM)
Wisc. & NYU question: Do you have classes related to African American or African studies?

Charlotta (ID=105) (Dec 10, 2001 9:54:38 PM)
?I am having some difficulties with one of the essays. Is there anyone that I can speak to regarding this? Maybe someone that can look it over. I

Kris_UMBS_AdCom (ID=101) (Dec 10, 2001 9:54:43 PM)
Craig - it isn't traditional but that doesn't mean it wouldn't work. It will be up to you to tell your story.

Ayesha1908 (ID=65) (Dec 10, 2001 9:54:45 PM)
? NYU I will be visiting the school this coming Wednesday for a tour of the business school. how much time is allotted for the tour or does it depend on the group? the reason I am asking is becauseI would like to explore on my own, and I also want to meet with a few people at the school.

Stephanie (ID=153) (Dec 10, 2001 9:54:47 PM)
Thank you.

Linda Abraham (ID=88) (Dec 10, 2001 9:54:53 PM)
I know someone ;-)

gabe (ID=121) (Dec 10, 2001 9:54:56 PM)
About GMAT prep, I downloaded the ETS software and my GMAT score was the average of the 2 tests included in the software. Go to and download powerprep it's free.

Laurie_CMU_Adcom (ID=80) (Dec 10, 2001 9:54:57 PM)
Darryl, with more experience, you have to show more accomplishments/progress

Marcus (ID=72) (Dec 10, 2001 9:54:59 PM)
Adcom: Is it possible to get accepted and not be awarded a fellowship? Is it possible to be put on the waiting list?

EzRawlins (ID=96) (Dec 10, 2001 9:55:07 PM)
Does a blown interview kill a CSGM application. I interviewed at a University after driving about 8 hours. I probably came off like off like Mr. Rogers after one too many cocktails.

Kris_UMBS_AdCom (ID=101) (Dec 10, 2001 9:55:12 PM)
Marcus - yes to both of those

Betsy_UWM_Adcom (ID=64) (Dec 10, 2001 9:55:16 PM)
Q, we do outside of the school of business. because you have electives within the program you can take them outside the b-school

Breakmaster (ID=156) (Dec 10, 2001 9:55:18 PM)
Is there a representative from NYU that can answer my question regarding sending my school-specific essay directly to the school via email?

kclotman (ID=91) (Dec 10, 2001 9:55:20 PM)
? For Adcoms - What extra fees usually have to be paid before school begins? Buying all books? Laptop, etc.? When does financial aid usually kick in?

Charlotta (ID=105) (Dec 10, 2001 9:55:21 PM)
Linda, was that in regards to my essay question?

Linda Abraham (ID=88) (Dec 10, 2001 9:55:28 PM)
Yes Charlotta.

Sherry -UNC Admiss (ID=94) (Dec 10, 2001 9:55:32 PM)
Luis- thanks for your interest. Just keep staying in touch with us. We love hearing from you. Feel free to contact me anytime at

Jim_Indiana_Adcom (ID=83) (Dec 10, 2001 9:55:43 PM)
Marcus-yes it is possible to be accepted and not awarded a fellowship

Charlotta (ID=105) (Dec 10, 2001 9:55:43 PM)
Can I get your e-mail address to discuss in further detail?

MSKWJ01 (ID=159) (Dec 10, 2001 9:55:55 PM)
I am currently in the process of applying to MBA Schools through the CGSM, but I am becoming discouraged because a lot of the schools push the full time two year work experience requirement and I will only have two years by August of next year.

Linda Abraham (ID=88) (Dec 10, 2001 9:55:58 PM)
Charlotta, .

Kris_UMBS_AdCom (ID=101) (Dec 10, 2001 9:55:58 PM)
kclotman - we try to get you funding by the first week or so, but you will need cash on hand for the first few weeks to get things set up

Kris_UMBS_AdCom (ID=101) (Dec 10, 2001 9:56:19 PM)
MSKW - it is more what you have done rather than just the years

ChiGuy (ID=123) (Dec 10, 2001 9:56:22 PM)
Linda - Are you offering a discount to CGSM applicants?? :-)

Laurie_CMU_Adcom (ID=80) (Dec 10, 2001 9:56:23 PM)
kclotman - students are able to use their financial aid to purchase school laptops and books, etc

MSKWJ01 (ID=159) (Dec 10, 2001 9:56:27 PM)
What are your suggestions Barbara?

7empty (ID=120) (Dec 10, 2001 9:56:33 PM)
When doing an on-campus interview (e.g. Tuck), is it important to identify myself as a CGSM applicant?

Sarah_NYU_Student (ID=86) (Dec 10, 2001 9:56:34 PM)
Rico & Breakmaster, I do not know the answer to your questions, but if you send me an e-mail at, I can make sure it gets to the right person.

Charlotta (ID=105) (Dec 10, 2001 9:56:48 PM)
Thanks, Linda. I will be in touch with you shortly (tomorrow). I appreciate the help!

Ayesha1908 (ID=65) (Dec 10, 2001 9:57:02 PM)
? adcomms: some schools require the purchase of a laptop. if you already have a laptop, can you get a discount on the required software ?

Linda Abraham (ID=88) (Dec 10, 2001 9:57:02 PM)
ChiGuy, provides free advice and resources to all via the Web site. :-) No discount on that.

Breakmaster (ID=156) (Dec 10, 2001 9:57:05 PM)
Thanks Sarah.

rico (ID=149) (Dec 10, 2001 9:57:13 PM)
Sarah, thanks.

kclotman (ID=91) (Dec 10, 2001 9:57:16 PM)
? Kris - How much do you usually recommend for school related expenses until fin aid is distributed?

Laurie_CMU_Adcom (ID=80) (Dec 10, 2001 9:57:19 PM)
mskwj - we count your experience up till the time you would join school

Sherry -UNC Admiss (ID=94) (Dec 10, 2001 9:57:21 PM)
gabe-each school's TOEFL requirement may be diff. Check with school's individually. At UNC, you will need the TOEFL regardless of your GMAT if you did not complete a degree in a university that is located in a country where English is the official first language

Ayesha1908 (ID=65) (Dec 10, 2001 9:57:30 PM)
?sarah I posted a question about NYU, am I still in your queue?

Kris_UMBS_AdCom (ID=101) (Dec 10, 2001 9:57:36 PM)
Ayesha - you can get your laptop configured by our Computing Services - I am not sure on the software question.

Ayesha1908 (ID=65) (Dec 10, 2001 9:57:43 PM)
ok thanks @ kris

Michelle Miller (ID=125) (Dec 10, 2001 9:57:50 PM)
Kris - Thank you for answering a few questions. I will to contact you by e-mail to find out Darys information.

Qiana (ID=134) (Dec 10, 2001 9:57:55 PM)
If any prospective MBA students want to network (especially those in Chicago) email me at, I'd love to trade ideas with you! To all the adcomms: THANKS for all your feedback - I'll be contacting a lot of you soon with more questions... I have to go now.

Ayesha1908 (ID=65) (Dec 10, 2001 9:57:57 PM)
that answers my question @ kris

Laurie_CMU_Adcom (ID=80) (Dec 10, 2001 9:57:59 PM)
ayesha - there are some deals available for software for students

Kris_UMBS_AdCom (ID=101) (Dec 10, 2001 9:58:03 PM)
Michelle - great.

Ayesha1908 (ID=65) (Dec 10, 2001 9:58:08 PM)
thanks @ laurie!

gabe (ID=121) (Dec 10, 2001 9:58:24 PM)
Thanks Sherry.

Laurie_CMU_Adcom (ID=80) (Dec 10, 2001 9:58:27 PM)
good luck, Qiana!

Floyd Houston (ID=152) (Dec 10, 2001 9:58:30 PM)
Barbara, I submitted my application online prior to the Dec 1 deadline. However, my GMAT is not scheduled until Jan 4'02. Will my application not be reviewed until my GMAT scores are in, even though all recommendations, transcripts and essays are in. FEH

Lion33 (ID=98) (Dec 10, 2001 9:58:31 PM)
?Sherry, what are the big things UNC is looking for from its applicants?

Jim_Indiana_Adcom (ID=83) (Dec 10, 2001 9:58:39 PM)
Ayesha-the computer question is a bit more complicated at IU! Contact me directly...

Sarah_NYU_Student (ID=86) (Dec 10, 2001 9:58:39 PM)
Ayesha...I'm sorry, could you repeat the question?

toure (ID=119) (Dec 10, 2001 9:58:39 PM)
sarah- has it been extremely tough this year for landing a summer internship?

Ayesha1908 (ID=65) (Dec 10, 2001 9:58:48 PM)
jim: you know that I will :)

Charlotta (ID=105) (Dec 10, 2001 9:58:50 PM)
Thanks everyone! Linda and Sarah, I will be in touch!

Ayesha1908 (ID=65) (Dec 10, 2001 9:58:50 PM)

Linda Abraham (ID=88) (Dec 10, 2001 9:59:06 PM)
Sounds good Charlotta.

melanie (ID=67) (Dec 10, 2001 9:59:17 PM)
Barbara? Who will inform us if we have been awarded a scholarship the CGSM or the School?

gabe (ID=121) (Dec 10, 2001 9:59:18 PM)
When is the deadline to submit the optional school-specific essays?

Jim_Indiana_Adcom (ID=83) (Dec 10, 2001 9:59:23 PM)
Floyd- your application is not complete, and can't be reviewed until we have a GMAT score.

barbara_cgsm (ID=109) (Dec 10, 2001 9:59:35 PM)
msdwj01 I agree with Kris. If your work experience shows progressive responsibility and leadership ability, you should not be discouraged.

EzRawlins (ID=96) (Dec 10, 2001 9:59:37 PM)
Last question for Sherry. The deadline for UNC application part one is coming up. What are the benefits to filing part one? Do you need GMAT scores to file this one?

Gerard E (ID=102) (Dec 10, 2001 9:59:42 PM)
? Jim_Indiana? Can we talk offline so that I can schedule a campus interview?

Sarah_NYU_Student (ID=86) (Dec 10, 2001 9:59:53 PM)
Toure...well, the process just began. I think the job search has been difficult for everyone, but our office of career development is very supportive, as are other students.

Laurie_CMU_Adcom (ID=80) (Dec 10, 2001 9:59:55 PM)
gabe - you should target Jan 15

Breakmaster (ID=156) (Dec 10, 2001 9:59:56 PM)
Question for Univ. of Michigan: Should I send my school-specific email to the general MBA mailbox or can I send it to a specific person? Thanks.

kb (ID=70) (Dec 10, 2001 10:00:11 PM)
?Sarah, are more students pursuing brand marketing because of the economy?

gabe (ID=121) (Dec 10, 2001 10:00:22 PM)
Thanks, Laurie.

Laurie_CMU_Adcom (ID=80) (Dec 10, 2001 10:00:28 PM)
you're welcome :-)

Jim_Indiana_Adcom (ID=83) (Dec 10, 2001 10:00:46 PM)
Melanie- I'll jump in for Barbara. You will be notified by each school independently with an admission decision. The Consortium Office notifies candidates of the Fellowship award the first week of April.

Yrunga (ID=108) (Dec 10, 2001 10:00:58 PM)
CGSM _ How long does it typically take for you to receive the GMAT score report?

melanie (ID=67) (Dec 10, 2001 10:01:06 PM)
Thanks -Jim!

Kris_UMBS_AdCom (ID=101) (Dec 10, 2001 10:01:11 PM)
Breakmaster - direct it to and ask them to have it added to your file. Be sure to include your full name in the email so they can get it to the AA that handles your piece of the alpha

Breakmaster (ID=156) (Dec 10, 2001 10:01:42 PM)
Thanks Kris.

tg28 (ID=124) (Dec 10, 2001 10:01:47 PM)
To all the admissions representatives, how much would be the weight of a Masters in Public Policy when assessing an application for an MBA?

Jim_Indiana_Adcom (ID=83) (Dec 10, 2001 10:01:48 PM)
Yrunga- ETS usually gets official score reports out in about two weeks.

Sherry -UNC Admiss (ID=94) (Dec 10, 2001 10:01:56 PM)
craig- I don't think any school has an age max. You may face some concern about how much b-school is going to help you advance your career. Some of the companies that recruit MBA students may not be so interested in hiring people who have achieved beyond a certain level. Just make sure you do an effective job of telling the adm comm why you want an MBA.

Marcus (ID=72) (Dec 10, 2001 10:01:56 PM)
Kris: Do schools consider your intention when looking at your credentials. For instance, if a person is considering entrepreneurship or OB, being quantitatively savvy is not necessarily needed. No?

Linda Abraham (ID=88) (Dec 10, 2001 10:02:01 PM)
I just spoke to Barbara Jones, and we will go for an extra five minutes and end at 5 minutes after the hour. so please post your last questions.

Yrunga (ID=108) (Dec 10, 2001 10:02:04 PM)
Perfect, thank you again!

barbara_cgsm (ID=109) (Dec 10, 2001 10:02:10 PM)
Melanie the Consortium will notify you the first week in April if you are a fellowship winner

Kris_UMBS_AdCom (ID=101) (Dec 10, 2001 10:02:12 PM)
tg-depends on what you want to do and how you relay that in your apps

Betsy_UWM_Adcom (ID=64) (Dec 10, 2001 10:02:16 PM)
tg28, it is not the degree but the experience

Sarah_NYU_Student (ID=86) (Dec 10, 2001 10:02:17 PM)
kb...I don't think so. There are a lot of students looking at I-banking, consulting, marketing, media & entertainment.

ChiGuy (ID=123) (Dec 10, 2001 10:02:20 PM)
Qiana - I miss it. Let me read it.

Bill (ID=163) (Dec 10, 2001 10:02:36 PM)
Though it is required that we interview with a Consortium rep. does anyone know if its problematic if we also interview directly with Consortium Schools after 1/15??

marylandgrad97 (ID=165) (Dec 10, 2001 10:02:37 PM)
Does the consortium have a min GPA and GMAT score requirement?

kclotman (ID=91) (Dec 10, 2001 10:02:42 PM)
? Adcomms - Ballpark idea of how much cash is needed before school starts?

Kris_UMBS_AdCom (ID=101) (Dec 10, 2001 10:02:48 PM)
Marcus - hard to say - you still need to get through the core. Clearly if someone wants IBanking and their quant is poor we have greater concerns

tg28 (ID=124) (Dec 10, 2001 10:03:04 PM)
sarah-nyu, could I get your e-mail? I'm planning to apply to NYU

Betsy_UWM_Adcom (ID=64) (Dec 10, 2001 10:03:10 PM)
Bill, I would try to interview prior even if it over the phone.

Kris_UMBS_AdCom (ID=101) (Dec 10, 2001 10:03:16 PM)
BIll -it will be harder to get it matched with your app at that point

Sherry -UNC Admiss (ID=94) (Dec 10, 2001 10:03:23 PM)
mskw - some students with just 2 years of experience contribute more than those with 5 years more. You just concentrate on what you have to offer. Ask MBA grads for feedback on what you may have to offer and their outlook on how you might be perceived by classmates

Naz (ID=150) (Dec 10, 2001 10:03:27 PM)
Sarah, has NYU been active in community activities and the development of local businesses, are there organizations that have this emphasis?

Linda Abraham (ID=88) (Dec 10, 2001 10:03:32 PM)
I'd like to suggest that all the adcomm people post an e-mail address where applicants can follow up with question on the chat?

luis72 (ID=63) (Dec 10, 2001 10:03:38 PM)
Thank you to all of the admission representatives and Barbara for your great feedback. Goodbye.

jeff (ID=130) (Dec 10, 2001 10:03:50 PM)
?Kris_UMBS_AdCom: What is the placement rate of your students who concentrate in Healthcare Management?

EzRawlins (ID=96) (Dec 10, 2001 10:03:52 PM)
Dear Sherry,

melanie (ID=67) (Dec 10, 2001 10:03:54 PM)
Signing off! Thanks to all! Betsy, hope to see you in Sept. 2002!

tg28 (ID=124) (Dec 10, 2001 10:03:59 PM)
I think Linda's idea is great

Linda Abraham (ID=88) (Dec 10, 2001 10:04:04 PM)
Thank you.

EzRawlins (ID=96) (Dec 10, 2001 10:04:07 PM)
What's the pesky application part I for? Laurie_CMU_Adcom (ID=80) (Dec 10, 2001 10:04:12 PM)
Send CMU email to - looking forward to hearing from anyone with questions!

Betsy_UWM_Adcom (ID=64) (Dec 10, 2001 10:04:14 PM)
Good luck Melanie. Please let me know if you have other questions

Linda Abraham (ID=88) (Dec 10, 2001 10:04:17 PM)
What would you think if future chats are moderated?

Carlos (ID=129) (Dec 10, 2001 10:04:17 PM)
?Hello, as far as the consortium application is there any benefit in applying with as much time as possible prior to Jan 15 or is there no difference in consideration if it is sent right before the deadline? (i.e. rolling admissions or set deadline?)

Sarah_NYU_Student (ID=86) (Dec 10, 2001 10:04:20 PM)
tg28 & anyone else w/ NYU

Ann (ID=107) (Dec 10, 2001 10:04:22 PM)
thanks to all the rep.s and organizers

Linda Abraham (ID=88) (Dec 10, 2001 10:04:23 PM)
This is getting a little chaotic.

Kris_UMBS_AdCom (ID=101) (Dec 10, 2001 10:04:28 PM)
Jeff - I would guess it is the same as our general group - 98+ we have a great program that you can tap into the school of public health too

ChiGuy (ID=123) (Dec 10, 2001 10:04:30 PM)

gabe (ID=121) (Dec 10, 2001 10:04:33 PM)
How much does having computer skills (programming/hardware) in your skill set help you these days when applying for the MBA, if a candidate has an interest in Finance?

Kris_UMBS_AdCom (ID=101) (Dec 10, 2001 10:04:40 PM)

Betsy_UWM_Adcom (ID=64) (Dec 10, 2001 10:04:43 PM)
a facilitator would be nice

barbara_cgsm (ID=109) (Dec 10, 2001 10:04:45 PM)
marylandgrad97 there is no minimum GPA or GMAT requirement. You should look at the profiles of the schools you are interested in to see what the their students look like.

Sherry -UNC Admiss (ID=94) (Dec 10, 2001 10:04:50 PM)
ez- no penalty for not sending part one in advance of part two - it just helps us process apps faster. It's also a way we know who is out there and who may need to be invited to interview. Don't have to have GMAT to send in part one. Part one is only: resume, data sheet, application fee.

Ayesha1908 (ID=65) (Dec 10, 2001 10:04:54 PM)
thanks to all adcomms and students and potential applicants! jim, I hope to see you in fall 2002!

Jim_Indiana_Adcom (ID=83) (Dec 10, 2001 10:04:55 PM)
Send Kelley School of Business (Indiana) questions to

Yrunga (ID=108) (Dec 10, 2001 10:05:05 PM)
Thanks Linda for setting this up and for all school and CGSM representatives for answering questions. Jim, nice chatting with you again, Happy Holidays!

Linda Abraham (ID=88) (Dec 10, 2001 10:05:05 PM)
That's what I mean Betsy. I think these have grown such that I need to moderate more.

EzRawlins (ID=96) (Dec 10, 2001 10:05:15 PM)

rico (ID=149) (Dec 10, 2001 10:05:17 PM)
Barbara, I have been reading some daunting figures concerning the increase in applications received by various schools, like 90-75-65% increases. I have a stat from an old info (2000?) book listing approx. 1000 applicants and 300 fellowships. Do you by chance know this years figures, in particular % increase?

marylandgrad97 (ID=165) (Dec 10, 2001 10:05:18 PM)
thanks Barbara

kb (ID=70) (Dec 10, 2001 10:05:19 PM)
Linda, a moderated chat would be nice...

Betsy_UWM_Adcom (ID=64) (Dec 10, 2001 10:05:22 PM)
Wisconsin, for general questions or

Sarah_NYU_Student (ID=86) (Dec 10, 2001 10:05:39 PM)
Naz, yes... there is a project called Stern Rebuilds that specifically addresses this. It is a new group that students organized after the events of 9/11

Linda Abraham (ID=88) (Dec 10, 2001)
Thank you again all for participating this evening. Special thanks to all the Consortium representatives here this evening.

Linda Abraham (ID=88) (Dec 10, 2001)
We look forward to seeing you at future chats. Here is a list of currently scheduled chats:

Linda Abraham (ID=88) (Dec 10, 2001 10:05:40 PM)
December 20: Tuck; January 7: Wharton; January 16: Darden; January 22: McCombs

Kris_UMBS_AdCom (ID=101) (Dec 10, 2001 10:05:41 PM)
Thanks everyone - Go Blue! ;)

Linda Abraham (ID=88) (Dec 10, 2001 10:05:43 PM)
You're welcome.

kclotman (ID=91) (Dec 10, 2001 10:05:47 PM)
Thanks, Jim. I'll email my other questions. Thanks, Linda!!!

Linda Abraham (ID=88) (Dec 10, 2001 10:05:50 PM)
Please check our chat schedule for exact times and details.

toure (ID=119) (Dec 10, 2001 10:05:52 PM)
this was helpful. Thanks!

MSKWJ01 (ID=159) (Dec 10, 2001 10:05:53 PM)

Linda Abraham (ID=88) (Dec 10, 2001 10:05:57 PM)
Have a very good evening! Good luck with your applications!

Linda Abraham left the chat at this point, and a number of the Consortium representatives were kind enough to stay. The remainder of the discussion with them appears below.

cindy tokumitsu (ID=103) (Dec 10, 2001 10:05:52 PM)
Good luck to all the applicants!

barbara_cgsm (ID=109) (Dec 10, 2001 10:06:12 PM)
Carlos there is no difference in consideration if the deadline is met

chb16 (ID=106) (Dec 10, 2001 10:07:11 PM)
?What happens if more than one school is interested in having you attend their school? Will you just be offered a fellowship from you top choice school?

Betsy_UWM_Adcom (ID=64) (Dec 10, 2001 10:07:45 PM)
chb16, you can be offered admission to multiple schools but a fellowship to only one...

Floyd Houston (ID=152) (Dec 10, 2001 10:07:49 PM)
Barbara, would you suggest moving the GMAT up to complete the application sooner. Is Jan. 4 considered late?

Betsy_UWM_Adcom (ID=64) (Dec 10, 2001 10:08:01 PM)
the fellowship may or may not be with your first choice school.

tg28 (ID=124) (Dec 10, 2001 10:08:07 PM)
I couldn't attend any event organized by consortium so far, is that taken into consideration by consortium?

Jim_Indiana_Adcom (ID=83) (Dec 10, 2001 10:08:15 PM)
chb16- e-mail me ( or call at 1-800-994-8622 and I'll explain in more detail... Jim Holmen

EzRawlins (ID=96) (Dec 10, 2001 10:08:29 PM)
Why does CGSM prohibit joint degrees?

chb16 (ID=106) (Dec 10, 2001 10:08:33 PM)
?How is it determined which school the fellowship will come from?

marylandgrad97 (ID=165) (Dec 10, 2001 10:08:37 PM)
If I understand correctly. If you are awarded a fellowship, it will be based on the order of the schools you get in and have decided as your 6 top choices?

barbara_cgsm (ID=109) (Dec 10, 2001 10:08:37 PM)
Floyd Houston not if you think you need the time. Jan 4 should be time enough

Betsy_UWM_Adcom (ID=64) (Dec 10, 2001 10:08:43 PM)
tg28, you are here.

barbara_cgsm (ID=109) (Dec 10, 2001 10:09:00 PM)
tg28 no those sessions have no bearing on your application

Sherry -UNC Admiss (ID=94) (Dec 10, 2001 10:09:05 PM)
ez, part one of the UNC app is really meant to help us provide for you better. For instance, if we know you are interested in UNC and we are coming to your area, we can invite you to join us for receptions, info session, etc. Don't worry, though. It's nothing you have to do. Your choice.

ChiGuy (ID=123) (Dec 10, 2001 10:09:05 PM)
Barbara - Is McKinsey & Company a sponsor?

tg28 (ID=124) (Dec 10, 2001 10:09:07 PM)
thanks Betsy!

tg28 (ID=124) (Dec 10, 2001 10:09:17 PM)
thanks Barbara

gabe (ID=121) (Dec 10, 2001 10:09:19 PM)
Repost - how is having computer skills viewed by the Business Schools these days, even if an applicant is interested in Finance and not IT?

MSKWJ01 (ID=159) (Dec 10, 2001 10:09:36 PM)
Hi Jim, I am very interested in IU can I e-mail you with further questions I have?

EzRawlins (ID=96) (Dec 10, 2001 10:09:40 PM)
Sherry- great, get it off this week.

EzRawlins (ID=96) (Dec 10, 2001 10:09:49 PM)
I'll get it off this week

Jim_Indiana_Adcom (ID=83) (Dec 10, 2001 10:10:05 PM)
Mskw - please do (

rico (ID=149) (Dec 10, 2001 10:10:06 PM)
Repost-By how much have applications for the Fellowship increased this year?

barbara_cgsm (ID=109) (Dec 10, 2001 10:10:14 PM)
chiguy they just dropped out, but we expect they will return when the economy improves

Stephanie (ID=153) (Dec 10, 2001 10:10:14 PM)
Barbara, I was not happy with my GMAT score. I am scheduled to take it again in late Dec. Should I send my scores again?

Laurie_CMU_Adcom (ID=80) (Dec 10, 2001 10:10:24 PM)
gabe - tech skills can be a real asset for candidates interested in finance

marylandgrad97 (ID=165) (Dec 10, 2001 10:10:34 PM)
Is there anyone from Berkley on line?

jeff (ID=130) (Dec 10, 2001 10:10:35 PM)
?Kris_UMBS_AdCom: Is it difficult to switch over to a dual degree program (MBA/MPH) after your first year? Will this considerably increase the number of years in study?

ChiGuy (ID=123) (Dec 10, 2001 10:10:38 PM)
Thanks Barbara.

Sherry -UNC Admiss (ID=94) (Dec 10, 2001 10:10:47 PM)
Thanks to all participants. If you'd like to reach me for further questions about CGSM or UNC, in particular, do so at: Good night.

chb16 (ID=106) (Dec 10, 2001 10:10:57 PM)
?If multiple schools accept an applicant, how is it decided where the fellowship will come from?

kb (ID=70) (Dec 10, 2001 10:11:05 PM)
rico: Barbara answered this earlier... 235 apps were received at the first deadline, up 75 from last year

Jim_Indiana_Adcom (ID=83) (Dec 10, 2001 10:11:14 PM)
chb16-this is where your rankings come in.

barbara_cgsm (ID=109) (Dec 10, 2001 10:11:20 PM)
Stephanie send us your Dec scores. Schools take the highest score.

rico (ID=149) (Dec 10, 2001 10:11:33 PM)
Barbara, thanks, sorry I entered a little late.

MSKWJ01 (ID=159) (Dec 10, 2001 10:11:34 PM)
Barbara, I am not a good standardized test taker how much weight will that have on the application?

Jim_Indiana_Adcom (ID=83) (Dec 10, 2001 10:11:38 PM)
Your highest preference school that you have been admitted to has the first chance to offer you a fellowship

EzRawlins (ID=96) (Dec 10, 2001 10:12:01 PM)
Jeff- CGSM does not support joint degree seekers (that I know of). btw UNC also has a kick butt public health program

Jim_Indiana_Adcom (ID=83) (Dec 10, 2001 10:12:05 PM)
If they don't, your next highest ranked school that you have been admitted to has the chance to offer a fellowship.

Stephanie (ID=153) (Dec 10, 2001 10:12:09 PM)
That's great news. Thank you.

tg28 (ID=124) (Dec 10, 2001 10:12:20 PM)
Barbara, what happens if I get accepted by the second or the third but not by my first choice?

Jim_Indiana_Adcom (ID=83) (Dec 10, 2001 10:12:23 PM)
and so on down the line.

barbara_cgsm (ID=109) (Dec 10, 2001 10:12:38 PM)
mskwj01you should talk with the schools to which you are applying.

chb16 (ID=106) (Dec 10, 2001 10:12:48 PM)
Thank you Jim. I was a little confused about that. I will be very careful about my rankings :-)

MSKWJ01 (ID=159) (Dec 10, 2001 10:13:00 PM)
Jim, is the GMAT score weighted heavily at IU?

EzRawlins (ID=96) (Dec 10, 2001 10:13:12 PM)
Jim, does that happen, will the "bridesmaid" offer a fellowship. Or do we need to be really careful with those rankings. What if I have two top choices?

ChiGuy (ID=123) (Dec 10, 2001 10:13:25 PM)
Adcom: Do you frown upon applicants who apply to 6 schools? Does it imply an unfocused applicant?

chb16 (ID=106) (Dec 10, 2001 10:13:38 PM)
?Is a definitely a good idea to send in an individual personal statement specific for each school?

rico (ID=149) (Dec 10, 2001 10:13:40 PM)
Barbara, if I already interviewed with a Consortium rep. and have submitted my application-to meet the early decision deadline, would it be possible/beneficial to schedule an additional interview with my 1st choice school (Dartmouth)?

Sarah_NYU_Student (ID=86) (Dec 10, 2001 10:13:49 PM)
Goodnight all... anyone with NYU-specific questions can e-mail me at & if I can't answer them I'll pass your questions along to someone who can.

ian (ID=92) (Dec 10, 2001 10:13:59 PM)
? jim : do all the schools see your preference

Jim_Indiana_Adcom (ID=83) (Dec 10, 2001 10:14:17 PM)
EZ-at Indiana, we have always offered fellowships beyond those who rank us first.

Sherry -UNC Admiss (ID=94) (Dec 10, 2001 10:14:27 PM)
we know that most applicants are taking a portfolio approach to the application process. You just need to look somewhat focused. If you are seeking certain experiences and outcomes, do the schools you mention all offer that?

tg28 (ID=124) (Dec 10, 2001 10:15:13 PM)
Barbara, I have a GPA of 3.1 for my B.A., and a GPA for my Masters (in Economics) of 3.8, should I write that in the application form (I mean, the one with 6 pages?, or just enclose the transcripts? they are a little confusing since they are translated and a lot of pages.

Jim_Indiana_Adcom (ID=83) (Dec 10, 2001 10:15:15 PM)
Ian-yes, we see the rankings, but the rankings are used for the fellowship selection process, not admissions.

Laurie_CMU_Adcom (ID=80) (Dec 10, 2001 10:15:20 PM)
ChiGuy - it's a-ok to apply to 6 schools. We sometimes are interested in the factors that led you to choose the schools you are interested in - helps us understand how our school fits your needs

barbara_cgsm (ID=109) (Dec 10, 2001 10:15:53 PM)
rico its always beneficial to interview with the schools you are interested in.
AdCom & Thanks for holding this chat. Good night.

chb16 (ID=106) (Dec 10, 2001 10:17:00 PM)
? Is an applicant who submits an individual statement to a school viewed more highly. Thank you for answering all my questions, Jim.

gabe (ID=121) (Dec 10, 2001 10:17:09 PM)
I guess that sending a good optional #5 essay could be a major factor in your #3 ranked school's decision to offer you a Fellowship, right AdComm??? Also can it be a replacement for a school visit for lacked of time?

MSKWJ01 (ID=159) (Dec 10, 2001 10:17:28 PM)
JIM: Is the GMAT weighted heavily at IU?

BigTex (ID=167) (Dec 10, 2001 10:17:38 PM)
How does the admissions committee view a student with 3.4 in undergraduate and a 3.5 in grad but a 410 on the GMAT? How much does the GMAT count?

Jim_Indiana_Adcom (ID=83) (Dec 10, 2001 10:17:48 PM)
chb16-this is the first year we have invited students to send an additional school specific essay. We don't expect them from all, but it can only help.

Floyd Houston (ID=152) (Dec 10, 2001 10:18:06 PM)
Barbara, Do you have stats on the number of Consortium fellows with families?

Laurie_CMU_Adcom (ID=80) (Dec 10, 2001 10:18:09 PM)
chb - it helps a school know your level of interest in the school

Jim_Indiana_Adcom (ID=83) (Dec 10, 2001 10:18:09 PM)
mskw-the GMAT is one factor among many that we consider...

Jim_Indiana_Adcom (ID=83) (Dec 10, 2001 10:18:44 PM)
gabe-yes, the essay can help in that way.

Floyd Houston (ID=152) (Dec 10, 2001 10:18:57 PM)
Barbara, Is there any information on financing a full time MBA with a mortgage?

Betsy_UWM_Adcom (ID=64) (Dec 10, 2001 10:18:58 PM)
BigTex, all count. Clearly you have the talent academically based on your GPA. However, we do look at 'GMAT as well.

barbara_cgsm (ID=109) (Dec 10, 2001 10:19:01 PM)
Floyd Houston no I don't, but we do have a fair number of people each year with families

Jim_Indiana_Adcom (ID=83) (Dec 10, 2001 10:19:22 PM)
You're welcome

MSKWJ01 (ID=159) (Dec 10, 2001 10:19:24 PM)
What if you had a Consortium Interview but you did not get that vibe that it went in your favor... should you interview a second time?

chb16 (ID=106) (Dec 10, 2001 10:19:44 PM)
?How heavily is the interview weighed?

Betsy_UWM_Adcom (ID=64) (Dec 10, 2001 10:19:53 PM)
MSK, you could interview with the schools you are applying to directly, phone or in person

barbara_cgsm (ID=109) (Dec 10, 2001 10:20:15 PM)
mskwj01 if you are not comfortable do a second interview

MSKWJ01 (ID=159) (Dec 10, 2001 10:20:17 PM)
Does that affect the Consortium App?

gabe (ID=121) (Dec 10, 2001 10:20:21 PM)
Last question from me - 2 students, same high GPA, one has 2 majors, the other 1. Advantage to the one with 2 majors, all other factors being equal???

tg28 (ID=124) (Dec 10, 2001 10:20:39 PM)
sorry Barbara, about my question regarding the GPA? should I write BA GPA and Masters GPA in the six pages application form?, the transcripts are too long so I'm afraid that the six pages application would be more clear (that little space for the overall GPA)

Laurie_CMU_Adcom (ID=80) (Dec 10, 2001 10:20:46 PM)
chb - we find the interview really helpful to learn more about the candidate - allows them to really show their strengths and interest

Jim_Indiana_Adcom (ID=83) (Dec 10, 2001 10:20:52 PM)
chb16-like everything else, the interview provides one more way for us to get to know you...

Betsy_UWM_Adcom (ID=64) (Dec 10, 2001 10:20:54 PM)
gabe, the focus should be on your experience with work, school, leadership

Jim_Indiana_Adcom (ID=83) (Dec 10, 2001 10:21:24 PM)
gabe-a double major vs. a single major will not likely be the tie breaker...

BigTex (ID=167) (Dec 10, 2001 10:21:33 PM)
Should students discuss why they scored low on GMAT in their essays?

Stephanie (ID=153) (Dec 10, 2001 10:21:41 PM)
Do you set up the interview with the same person (second Interview)?

Betsy_UWM_Adcom (ID=64) (Dec 10, 2001 10:21:52 PM)
BigTex, if you think it will help

chb16 (ID=106) (Dec 10, 2001 10:21:53 PM)
? Is it preferable to interview with someone on the Consortium interviewer list, or do some applicants call the school directly for an interview?

Jim_Indiana_Adcom (ID=83) (Dec 10, 2001 10:22:13 PM)
BigTex-if you feel that there is a reason. You should point out strengths that may balance the lower score.

Betsy_UWM_Adcom (ID=64) (Dec 10, 2001 10:22:26 PM)
chb16 so will do both. interview with the person that you feel most comfortable with

Jim_Indiana_Adcom (ID=83) (Dec 10, 2001 10:22:33 PM)
chb16-either is fine.

chb16 (ID=106) (Dec 10, 2001 10:22:57 PM)
? I'm having a tough time getting an interviewer. Seems like they are all booked.

barbara_cgsm (ID=109) (Dec 10, 2001 10:23:08 PM)
tg28 we take the GPA directly from you transcripts

Betsy_UWM_Adcom (ID=64) (Dec 10, 2001 10:23:22 PM)
chb16, call the school directly. they could help

rico (ID=149) (Dec 10, 2001 10:23:24 PM)
To all, if your questions don't get answered tonight Businessweek online has chat transcripts with a lot good answers

ian (ID=92) (Dec 10, 2001 10:24:13 PM)
? barbara_cgsm: would there be a problem if the interview is done before completing the CGSM application

barbara_cgsm (ID=109) (Dec 10, 2001 10:24:35 PM)
Ian no

kclotman (ID=91) (Dec 10, 2001 10:25:34 PM)
? Jim - I heard that Kelley was planning to close offices the first two days after each deadline to speed up review process. Correct?

Keista (ID=171) (Dec 10, 2001 10:25:50 PM)
Barbara, Jim, Betsy: Is is advisable to apply through CGSM if you just graduated in June of this year?

tg28 (ID=124) (Dec 10, 2001 10:26:03 PM)
Thanks Barbara, a last question, my transcripts are translated from Spanish and the grades scales are different from the American ones, would that be ok if I enclose a translation (by myself) just indicating the equivalences? I'm afraid I don't have time for an official one for the equivalences

ian (ID=92) (Dec 10, 2001 10:26:19 PM)
? barbara: besides the fellowship what are other benefits to being a CGSM student

Jim_Indiana_Adcom (ID=83) (Dec 10, 2001 10:26:42 PM)
kclotman- we aren't exactly closing the office. We just aren't scheduling interviews those days or hosting visitors. We are pulling all warm bodies in the office to help us open the applications, and get the initial process rolling to help us speed the process.

Betsy_UWM_Adcom (ID=64) (Dec 10, 2001 10:27:27 PM)
Keista, most schools would prefer you have two years of work experience. Look at each school profile when selecting your ranked schools. I believe the consortium also prefers work experience. Barbara?

kclotman (ID=91) (Dec 10, 2001 10:27:41 PM)
? Jim - How has this worked so far? If we applied for early deadline for CGSM, is it possible to get an answer sooner than mid-February?

barbara_cgsm (ID=109) (Dec 10, 2001 10:28:28 PM)
tg28 that will be fine. We will have them translated also.

chb16 (ID=106) (Dec 10, 2001 10:28:55 PM)
? With the increase in applications this year, is it fair to say that essays will be the most important aspect of applications.

Jim_Indiana_Adcom (ID=83) (Dec 10, 2001 10:29:02 PM)
kclotman- we're going to try. The holidays will slow us up a bit.

Betsy_UWM_Adcom (ID=64) (Dec 10, 2001 10:30:02 PM)
chb16, essays are an important part of the application, however you must be solid in other areas as well.

Keista (ID=171) (Dec 10, 2001 10:30:40 PM)
Betsy, does UWM look down on applicants with one year of experience?

Betsy_UWM_Adcom (ID=64) (Dec 10, 2001 10:31:13 PM)
Keista, we don't look down on students with less, however for our MBA program we do require 2 years...

Keista (ID=171) (Dec 10, 2001 10:31:22 PM)
Do you know the percentage of applicants straight out of school that are accepted in your program?

Betsy_UWM_Adcom (ID=64) (Dec 10, 2001 10:31:28 PM)
our MS program has accepted students with less experience.

tg28 (ID=124) (Dec 10, 2001 10:31:46 PM)
to the admissions representatives: is that ok to have one reference letter from my current employer and another one from my tutor in college?

Betsy_UWM_Adcom (ID=64) (Dec 10, 2001 10:31:55 PM)
Keista in the MBA program it would be less than 1%

Laurie_CMU_Adcom (ID=80) (Dec 10, 2001 10:31:56 PM)
tg - that is fine

Jim_Indiana_Adcom (ID=83) (Dec 10, 2001 10:32:04 PM)
Keista- most years over 99% of our entering students have full time work experience, with an average of five years.

ian (ID=92) (Dec 10, 2001 10:32:15 PM)
? is anyone applying to UMBS

Laurie_CMU_Adcom (ID=80) (Dec 10, 2001 10:32:17 PM)
keista - same for us

Laurie_CMU_Adcom (ID=80) (Dec 10, 2001 10:32:22 PM)

kclotman (ID=91) (Dec 10, 2001 10:32:25 PM)
? Jim - One other question about admissions. I know that all applications go though a first reader. If that reader says "no," do you still read the app? Or, do you only read the "yeses?"

tg28 (ID=124) (Dec 10, 2001 10:32:34 PM)
thanks Laurie, I just think that for young people is important to have an academic reference

Laurie_CMU_Adcom (ID=80) (Dec 10, 2001 10:33:15 PM)
tg - it is best to have at least one professional reference too

Keista (ID=171) (Dec 10, 2001 10:33:19 PM)
Should I wait?

Flantos (ID=174) (Dec 10, 2001 10:33:25 PM)
Barbara, one more question, I'm graduating in May with my Finance degree. How will this affect my application process?

Jim_Indiana_Adcom (ID=83) (Dec 10, 2001 10:33:33 PM)
kclotman-I read them all. The first (and sometimes second) readers make recommendations. I manage the big picture and make the final decision. We do discuss applicants on the fence.

tg28 (ID=124) (Dec 10, 2001 10:33:53 PM)
yes, I will, I could have two professional references if that is better, that's why I posed the question, what would you recommend me doing?

GIJANE08 (ID=173) (Dec 10, 2001 10:34:06 PM)
? Jim, does IU look unfavorably at applicants that have taken the GMAT numerous times?

Betsy_UWM_Adcom (ID=64) (Dec 10, 2001 10:34:18 PM)
Keista, I would strongly encourage you to gain work experience. If you feel the time is right to attend school you might want to consult with each school you are interested in applying to speak with them directly

tg28 (ID=124) (Dec 10, 2001 10:34:23 PM)
Laurie, sorry, the question was for you

Jim_Indiana_Adcom (ID=83) (Dec 10, 2001 10:34:34 PM)
GIJane-lots of applicants take the GMAT more than once. We consider your highest score.

rico (ID=149) (Dec 10, 2001 10:34:57 PM)
ian, I applied to Michigan

chb16 (ID=106) (Dec 10, 2001 10:35:06 PM)
? How are applicants looking this year? Are you finding that many more applicants are super-qualified for your schools? I just feel like the competition is so tough this year.

Laurie_CMU_Adcom (ID=80) (Dec 10, 2001 10:35:24 PM)
since you have a transcript that speaks as your 'academic reference', for most candidates professional references are most insightful

ian (ID=92) (Dec 10, 2001 10:35:40 PM)
rico: have you visited the school.? if so can you share your experience? i.e. what impressed you the most, etc

Laurie_CMU_Adcom (ID=80) (Dec 10, 2001 10:36:00 PM)
but if you've worked closely with someone in academic environment and think they can add to your picture as a candidate, it is fine to include an academic reference

Betsy_UWM_Adcom (ID=64) (Dec 10, 2001 10:36:04 PM)
chb16, it will be a tough year for applicants. The competition is strong. Focus on what you can bring and what will set you apart from others

GIJANE08 (ID=173) (Dec 10, 2001 10:36:11 PM)
I think I am at the point of diminishing returns as far as the test goes and I would like to direct all my attention to my essays. At what point should I call it a day and focus on my essays?

tg28 (ID=124) (Dec 10, 2001 10:36:15 PM)
Laurie, even if I left my former job in 1997 for attending a Masters Degree?

Jim_Indiana_Adcom (ID=83) (Dec 10, 2001 10:36:25 PM)
chb-apps are up a bit, but don't worry about the competition. Just do your best!

Laurie_CMU_Adcom (ID=80) (Dec 10, 2001 10:36:46 PM)
tg - in that case, it definitely makes sense to include an academic reference

tg28 (ID=124) (Dec 10, 2001 10:37:04 PM)
Ok, thanks Laurie

Laurie_CMU_Adcom (ID=80) (Dec 10, 2001 10:37:12 PM)
you're welcome :-)

chb16 (ID=106) (Dec 10, 2001 10:37:21 PM)
Thanks, Betsy. I've been completely focused on my essays for all schools. I'm almost convinced they are the most important part of your app this year.

ian (ID=92) (Dec 10, 2001 10:37:24 PM)
gijane: if u over 600... u should just concentration on your essays

rico (ID=149) (Dec 10, 2001 10:37:24 PM)
I know a lot about U of M, I am originally from Michigan, my younger brother got his undergrad there, and I did a 6 week summer program there at the B-school. Contact me

rico (ID=149) (Dec 10, 2001 10:37:34 PM)
that was for ian

Jim_Indiana_Adcom (ID=83) (Dec 10, 2001 10:37:38 PM)
GIJane- if you feel that your GMAT is as good as it is going to get, you can start focusing on other aspects of your application.

tg28 (ID=124) (Dec 10, 2001 10:38:36 PM)
ian, I'm just like you, but I can't get higher than 610 for the last two weeks

Keista (ID=171) (Dec 10, 2001 10:38:48 PM)
Jim and Betsy, I feel that the time is sooo right... I just feel that my lack of experience will knock my application out during the first round!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Betsy_UWM_Adcom (ID=64) (Dec 10, 2001 10:39:30 PM)
Keista, you might want to contact the schools of choice to discuss further. Please feel free to contact me directly at to talk more.