Haas MBA Admissions Chat

Haas MBA Admissions Chat

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Linda Abraham (Sep 19, 2002 9:16:25 PM)
First I want to welcome you all to Accepted.com's Haas Happening.

Linda Abraham (Sep 19, 2002 9:16:39 PM)
I also want to welcome Peter Johnson, Co-Director of Admissions and Chris Baker, second year student.

PeterJohnsonHaas (Sep 19, 2002 9:16:43 PM)
Thank you for inviting us, Linda!

Linda Abraham (Sep 19, 2002 9:16:48 PM)
Thanks to everyone for joining.

Linda Abraham (Sep 19, 2002 9:16:52 PM)
It's our pleasure.

Linda Abraham (Sep 19, 2002 9:17:10 PM)
I encourage dialogue and discussion, but I would like to suggest a structure to make it easier to follow the threads of conversation. So here is the protocol: We will post material to the chat. If you have a question on that material, please type a '?' and then your question. Peter, Chris, another participant, or I will reply. If one of you wants to comment on the current topic, please jump right in. If you want to start a different topic, please type '?'.

Linda Abraham (Sep 19, 2002 9:17:22 PM)
If the crowd this evening grows and a moderated chat becomes more beneficial, we'll switch to that format to avoid the chaotic feel that some other chats have had. When we switch to a moderated chat, all your questions will come to me. I will choose the questions that have the broadest application and those questions will appear in the main window for our guests to reply to. If and when we switch to a moderated format, you will only see your question in the main window if and when it is chosen. You will not see it if it is not chosen.

Linda Abraham (Sep 19, 2002 9:17:31 PM)
Final request: We would like to avoid the brief summary of qualifications (or even the long laundry list) followed by the question, "Can I qualify?" Or "What are my chances?" This isn't the forum for that kind of question.

Linda Abraham (Sep 19, 2002 9:17:51 PM)
I also want to welcome Paul Bodine, an Accepted.com editor, who has also joined us this evening.

Linda Abraham (Sep 19, 2002 9:18:05 PM)
Other than the above limitation, this is your chance to ask questions about reapplying and admissions policies. But I would like to take advantage of my position as host and ask the first questions.

Linda Abraham (Sep 19, 2002 9:18:22 PM)
Peter, when you look at a file, what do you look at first? Last? How do you review a file?

Linda Abraham (Sep 19, 2002 9:19:06 PM)
Chris, what are the three aspects of your Haas experience that you like best and least?

Linda Abraham (Sep 19, 2002 9:20:39 PM)
Peter and Chris are you madly typing away?

ChrisBakerHaas (Sep 19, 2002 9:20:55 PM)
1. A really personal experience: small program size, the opportunity to build meaningful relationships with faculty, administrators as well as students. The opportunity to meet just about the entire class in one year. 2. The quality of our student body. Incredibly diverse in terms of work & personal experience, very international (66% trilingual!), motivated people FULL of initiative and drive. And 3. the entrepreneurial spirit that pervades the program--- broader than an interest in Silicon Valley start-ups. A student need to get involved in the school, through clubs and events and genuine desire to make a difference while here and afterwards. How's that for a top 3? :)

Linda Abraham (Sep 19, 2002 9:22:34 PM)

ChrisBakerHaas (Sep 19, 2002 9:22:41 PM)

Linda Abraham (Sep 19, 2002 9:21:20 PM)
I would also like to open the floor for your questions.

nack (Sep 19, 2002 9:21:24 PM)
?I looked at the EWMBA application and it seems that we are not supposed to mention internships and part-time work experience. Since I have two masters and was TA/RA all along and feel that experience is important, what would be the best place to mention this experience.

Hemel G (Sep 19, 2002 9:21:24 PM)

Linda Abraham (Sep 19, 2002 9:21:51 PM)
Nack and then Hemel.

Linda Abraham (Sep 19, 2002 9:22:01 PM)
Hemel, you can post your question.

PeterJohnsonHaas (Sep 19, 2002 9:22:02 PM)
When reviewing an application, we are really looking at a holistic approach to evaluating the candidate's overall preparation and qualifications. I would start by looking at the academic record--where did the applicant do her/his undergrad degree, grades, difficulty of curriculum, etc. I'd compare this to the GMAT, looking at the overall score, the quantitative and verbal subscores, and how those reflect what I've seen on the transcripts. Moving on, I would review the professional experience--including the work history section of the application and the resume. Then I would review the short answer questions and essays and finally the recommendations with an eye to considering how the recs reflected other data in the file.

justme (Sep 19, 2002 9:23:37 PM)
?in what way would the student body at Haas be different from those in other schools?

Linda Abraham (Sep 19, 2002 9:24:40 PM)
Pretty comprehensive. How does the entrepreneurial spirit display itself Chris?

Paul Bodine (Sep 19, 2002 9:24:49 PM)
HAAS FACTS: Corporate recruiters recently ranked Berkeley No. 4 among business schools that they cited for excellence in e-commerce, no. 7 for excellence in information technology, and no. 9 for excellence in international business

PeterJohnsonHaas (Sep 19, 2002 9:25:06 PM)
At Haas, we tend to attract a lot of very bright people, as do all of the top programs, but I think that the Berkeley MBA program is especially distinguished for having students who really like to be innovative in a variety of ways.

Linda Abraham (Sep 19, 2002 9:25:29 PM)
In what way are they innovative?

5297 (Sep 19, 2002 9:26:35 PM)
Hope this is not a repeat question, what were the differences in acceptance rates 1st round vs. 2nd vs. 3rd round 2002?

ChrisBakerHaas (Sep 19, 2002 9:26:54 PM)
Something like 40-50 student run clubs (which in a student body of 240 is remarkable). At least 4 student-run international conferences hosted every year. 2 high-profile business plan competitions.

PeterJohnsonHaas (Sep 19, 2002 9:27:16 PM)
Innovative in seeking new solutions to a variety of business problems and trying new ideas, ranging from developing new products to new ways of analyzing markets--to be a bit trite, individuals who can "think outside the box".

Linda Abraham (Sep 19, 2002 9:28:23 PM)
Nack had asked a question about the EWMBA application above.

PeterJohnsonHaas (Sep 19, 2002 9:28:26 PM)
Regarding the rounds; the acceptance rates between rounds 1 and 2 were not appreciably different in the 2001-2002 cycle--they were lower in rounds 3 and 4, however.

Linda Abraham (Sep 19, 2002 9:28:43 PM)
And Hemel, did you want to post a question?

sunny (Sep 19, 2002 9:29:09 PM)
Hello all, I am just coming, may I ask u a q? what is most valued for the admission of Haas?

Hemel G (Sep 19, 2002 9:29:25 PM)
?How do you evaluate international transcripts? international schools?

justme (Sep 19, 2002 9:29:43 PM)
?how has the current downturn impacted recruitment at Haas?

ChrisBakerHaas (Sep 19, 2002 9:30:18 PM)
Justme: Some industries have inevitably been affected. Management consultancies are not hiring nearly as many people as in years past... their business appears to be very cyclical.

PeterJohnsonHaas (Sep 19, 2002 9:30:23 PM)
Sorry Nack--in answer to your question, full-time, post-degree work experience is normally stronger in the types of experiences/opportunities we are looking for, but both the FT and the EWMBA consider part-time experience as well. You could use the optional essay to address this.

magic (Sep 19, 2002 9:31:05 PM)
?have you seen any trends regarding this year's number of applicants? do you anticipate a spike in apps? a downturn?

nack (Sep 19, 2002 9:31:16 PM)
? Thanks Peter! How does the EWMBA program rate in comparison to the full-time program. Can you please go over the pros and cons?

YLG (Sep 19, 2002 9:31:24 PM)
? for an applicant, which aspect does Haas value most? working experience, GMAT, leadership, activity?

ChrisBakerHaas (Sep 19, 2002 9:31:35 PM)
Other industries, such as Finance and Marketing appear less impacted. The non-profit section has seen a recent boom given the large availability of top talent available pretty cheaply for internships.

justme (Sep 19, 2002 9:31:35 PM)
? ok, I'll be more specific. I am interested in consumer marketing/general mgmt - how strong are u in that area and are cos in those areas still landing up?

Linda Abraham (Sep 19, 2002 9:31:46 PM)
Let's hold the questions for a minute.

PeterJohnsonHaas (Sep 19, 2002 9:31:59 PM)
There are a number of things we value in considering candidates for admission to Haas, including intellectual ability, leadership potential, ability to work in teams, relative breadth and depth of professional experience, and fit of goals with and MBA program.

MBA2003 (Sep 19, 2002 9:32:32 PM)
I am interested in Haas' Org Behavior concentration. Are you looking for certain attributes for this field? Such as types of experience, type of personality, etc. What types of internship opportunities exist at Haas for students pursuing this field?

Paul Bodine (Sep 19, 2002 9:33:36 PM)
HAAS Facts: Recruiters consider Haas an excellent source for both minority and women MBAs (6th and 7th most highly ranked, respectively) [Wall Street Journal]

ChrisBakerHaas (Sep 19, 2002 9:33:42 PM)
There is a sizeable part of our student body interested in marketing and general management. It really depends what sort of industries you are looking at.

PeterJohnsonHaas (Sep 19, 2002 9:34:15 PM)
Hemel, in reviewing international credentials, we start by considering the academic record in the context of the system it comes from--in other words, how did a candidate perform relative to others in the same system. Contrary to popular belief, we don't try to translate different grading systems to a 4.0 scale. Berkeley in general has relative guidelines for various countries giving an acceptable range of academic performance. Beyond that, we look at the same things that I mentioned earlier. We typically receive applications from 40-50 different countries each year, so we have a fair amount of experience in this area.

ChrisBakerHaas (Sep 19, 2002 9:34:43 PM)
Hi-tech marketing and some blue chips are absolutely still coming to campus, as are recruiters looking to fill general management positions.

Linda Abraham (Sep 19, 2002 9:35:06 PM)
Chris or Peter, what is Haas doing differently for its graduates in light of the economic downturn?

ChrisBakerHaas (Sep 19, 2002 9:35:31 PM)
While Haas prides itself on having strong marketing and general mgt programs, not many non-West Coat big blue chips come on campus for general mgt.

ChrisBakerHaas (Sep 19, 2002 9:35:53 PM)
Quite simply some of these firms have a tough time persuading people to leave the W coast!

Hemel G (Sep 19, 2002 9:35:56 PM)
How would the average be.... would it be for say a country and then a particular concentration?

PeterJohnsonHaas (Sep 19, 2002 9:36:12 PM)
Regarding the OB area, we look for the same qualities that we seek in all MBA candidates. The Berkeley MBA program is primarily a general management program that enables students to specialize in a variety of areas. In the end, though, we seek the same qualities in candidates regardless of whether they want to specialize in finance, real estate, marketing, or org behavior.

PeterJohnsonHaas (Sep 19, 2002 9:36:27 PM)

ChrisBakerHaas (Sep 19, 2002 9:36:41 PM)
Linda: We've seen a huge step up in the role alums are playing in the recruitment process.

lgold (Sep 19, 2002 9:37:14 PM)
On the topic of marketing, how many of your graduates go on to marketing careers as opposed to i-banking, mgmt consulting, etc?

Linda Abraham (Sep 19, 2002 9:37:34 PM)
YLG had a question above and Nack had a follow-up on his previous question.

Haas#1 (Sep 19, 2002 9:37:43 PM)
?How do you view applicants in their mid 30s? What is the average age of those accepted? What was the age range last year?

PeterJohnsonHaas (Sep 19, 2002 9:37:44 PM)
It would be a general average for anyone. I think that you mentioned earlier that you had studied in India. Generally, we are looking for 1st division results from Indian candidates, and it is necessary to have a four-yr degree or a master's degree.

ChrisBakerHaas (Sep 19, 2002 9:37:57 PM)
The career center has made a big effort to coordinate alumni mixers and encourage students to contact alumni with advice with the job search in tougher times.

sunny (Sep 19, 2002 9:37:59 PM)
how many applicants from mainland china did u get last year? and how many accepted? I just want to know a rough number.

Hemel G (Sep 19, 2002 9:38:44 PM)
Thanks Peter. That helps.

Linda Abraham (Sep 19, 2002 9:38:47 PM)
FYI: My IM is not working. If you IM me, I can't reply.

MBA2003 (Sep 19, 2002 9:38:58 PM)
How do you evaluate a mediocre GMAT verbal score (e.g., 30-35 raw score) of an international student who has studied undergraduate and worked here in the U.S.?

PSA27 (Sep 19, 2002 9:39:21 PM)
? Where could one obtain general statistics (GMAT, GPA, undergrad major etc.) of the class admitted in 2002? I was not able to find the Haas website.

PeterJohnsonHaas (Sep 19, 2002 9:39:36 PM)
Applicants in their mid-30's are viewed just as anyone else would be--age it really not important to us. We do value experience, however. The average age for the last two cycles has been 28, and the range this year was 23-39.

ChrisBakerHaas (Sep 19, 2002 9:39:36 PM)
Students are also accepting (rightly) that they are in charge of their own destiny. People are doing a little more work to identify the right opportunities for themselves and are therefore ending up in positions better suited to them than two years ago.

Hemel G (Sep 19, 2002 9:39:46 PM)

Linda Abraham (Sep 19, 2002 9:39:57 PM)
BW's new stats are going to come out around Oct. 11. They usually have very comprehensive stats.

Hemel G (Sep 19, 2002 9:40:04 PM)
? Why did Haas stop school visits? and the opportunity for prospective students to attend a class? at least for part-time.

ChrisBakerHaas (Sep 19, 2002 9:40:17 PM)
lgold: Hard to say definitively, but I would guess that marketing is bigger than consulting or banking.

PeterJohnsonHaas (Sep 19, 2002 9:40:32 PM)
We had 257 applications from the PRC last year, and offered admission to approximately 14.

Paul Bodine (Sep 19, 2002 9:41:03 PM)
Haas Facts: Mean GMAT: 688, years of full-time W/E: 5.3 (mean), minority students: 34%, foreign nationals: 33% [Wall Street Journal]

ChrisBakerHaas (Sep 19, 2002 9:41:06 PM)
I would guess 30% marketing, 15% consulting, 10% banking

Linda Abraham (Sep 19, 2002 9:41:10 PM)
What was your overall admit rate?

Hemel G (Sep 19, 2002 9:41:27 PM)
Paul, these are full-time facts right?

Paul Bodine (Sep 19, 2002 9:41:39 PM)
Full-time correct.

ChrisBakerHaas (Sep 19, 2002 9:41:57 PM)
My numbers are seat-of-the-pants estimates--- not STATS! ;)

lgold (Sep 19, 2002 9:41:59 PM)
how do you view applicants with non-business undergrad majors? bio?

PeterJohnsonHaas (Sep 19, 2002 9:42:08 PM)
General stats for the class will appear on the website shortly--probably Monday . For a sneak preview, they are: AVG GPA (US) 3.55; AVG GMAT: 703 Middle 80% GMAT: 650-760; Minorities (US) 34%; international 35%, women 30%, apps received: 4474, entering class 241.

sunny (Sep 19, 2002 9:42:39 PM)
thanks. does Haas favor young applicants or older ones? just as HBS and Stanford favor younger ones

PeterJohnsonHaas (Sep 19, 2002 9:42:39 PM)
The status listed from the Wall Street Journal are actually Fall 01 stats.

Linda Abraham (Sep 19, 2002 9:42:44 PM)
Peter, how many did you admit from the 4474?

Paul Bodine (Sep 19, 2002 9:42:59 PM)
Sorry, I should have mentioned that.

PeterJohnsonHaas (Sep 19, 2002 9:43:02 PM)
Linda, from the 4474 we offered admission to 497

rob2 (Sep 19, 2002 9:43:03 PM)
? When you say "average," what do the outliers look like? low of 2.5 high or 4.0?

nack (Sep 19, 2002 9:43:36 PM)
? I see that a lot of directors mention that they look at undergraduate degree. How much attention is paid to the graduate studies done prior to applying for an MBA?

PeterJohnsonHaas (Sep 19, 2002 9:44:00 PM)
Sunny, we don't prefer younger or older--as mentioned, we do value candidates with enough professional experience to be able to contribute to case studies and group projects, which generally means at least 2 years, but we do not have a required minimum. It's not quantity, but rather quality.

justme (Sep 19, 2002 9:44:26 PM)
career goals: how focused/specific do u expect us to be?

MBA2003 (Sep 19, 2002 9:44:27 PM)
I know that you stated that you review your applicants in a holistic approach. But do you have a cut off point for GMAT score?

PeterJohnsonHaas (Sep 19, 2002 9:44:51 PM)
Rob2--I don't have the range handy, but the middle 80% on the GPA scale was 3.20-3.86, so I guess you could consider those above and below those numbers to be the outliers.

ChrisBakerHaas (Sep 19, 2002 9:44:55 PM)
Alright, someone give Pete a break and ask me a program question!

nack (Sep 19, 2002 09:45:12 PM)
part-time vs. full time, Chris?

Hemel G (Sep 19, 2002 9:45:18 PM)
? Why did Haas stop guided school visits? and opportunity for prospective students to attend a class? at least for part-time. (Sorry I am posting this again, but I think it got lost)

PeterJohnsonHaas (Sep 19, 2002 9:45:23 PM)
We do not have cutoff scores for GMAT.

nack (Sep 19, 2002 9:45:26 PM)
?any interaction between students?

ChrisBakerHaas (Sep 19, 2002 9:45:29 PM)
As in which to do, Nack?

Linda Abraham (Sep 19, 2002 9:45:42 PM)
Chris, I believe you're from the UK. How did you find the adjustment to studying in Haas?

MBA2003 (Sep 19, 2002 9:46:02 PM)
Next to your strong Marketing and General Management programs, what programs are the strongest at Haas?

nack (Sep 19, 2002 9:46:03 PM)
I mean do EWMBA students interact much with the full-time students

YLG (Sep 19, 2002 9:46:42 PM)
? Chris, how do you value Haas program so far? Which is your area of concentration?

PeterJohnsonHaas (Sep 19, 2002 9:46:47 PM)
Career goals--we expect candidates to know why and how an MBA will add value to their career, and we expect candidates to have realistic career goals. It is not necessary to tell us exactly what job title and company you want, but you should know roughly what industry you hope to work in after completing the program and have some idea of why an MBA is a good fit.

ChrisBakerHaas (Sep 19, 2002 9:47:15 PM)
Hemel: We haven't stopped class/school visits, they are very much alive. E-mail us at hsa@haas.berkeley.edu and we would be happy to set up a class visit, lunch with a student and an Info Session.

ChrisBakerHaas (Sep 19, 2002 9:47:51 PM)
The adjustment was in getting back to studies, not coming here from London.

Hemel G (Sep 19, 2002 9:48:04 PM)
I did call the EWMBA and they informed me that attending class sessions would not be offered this year.

Linda Abraham (Sep 19, 2002 9:48:05 PM)
Was that a difficult adjustment?

Linda Abraham (Sep 19, 2002 9:48:09 PM)
Getting back to studies, I mean?

ChrisBakerHaas (Sep 19, 2002 9:48:18 PM)
It was my 5th relocation in as many years so that wasn't a big deal.

ChrisBakerHaas (Sep 19, 2002 9:48:30 PM)
Yes and No.

brian (Sep 19, 2002 9:48:50 PM)
? How many students did intern in SV this summer?

PeterJohnsonHaas (Sep 19, 2002 9:48:54 PM)
Some of the other strong areas at Haas in addition to marketing and general management are finance, mgt of technology, healthcare management, real estate, entrepreneurship, int'l business...I'm sure I will hear from the faculty tomorrow about any areas I neglected to mention.. :-)

ChrisBakerHaas (Sep 19, 2002 9:49:02 PM)
You need to be ready and excited to go back to school. If you're not a top MBA program is not for you.

0 (Sep 19, 2002 9:49:02 PM)
? Is it possible to complete more than one of the certificate programs while at Hass? e.g. the Health Care certificate and the MOT.

Haas#1 (Sep 19, 2002 9:49:13 PM)
?How would you view an applicant with a low UGPA between 2.5-2.9 if they later earn a PHD with a GGPA of 3.7? In other words, can a high graduate GPA offset a low UGPA?

ChrisBakerHaas (Sep 19, 2002 9:49:34 PM)
The academics are intense and you effectively lose your evenings and weekends at times with course/project/team work

PeterJohnsonHaas (Sep 19, 2002 9:49:38 PM)
I don't have the exact number from Career Services yet about how many people interned in SV this summer, but it was at least 20, and probably more.

ChrisBakerHaas (Sep 19, 2002 9:49:56 PM)
So it becomes a full-time, 7 days a week job rather than a 9-5 job

Paul Bodine (Sep 19, 2002 9:50:12 PM)
Haas facts: Annual in-state tuition (fall 2001): $10,504

PeterJohnsonHaas (Sep 19, 2002 9:50:26 PM)
Many students complete more than one certificate program--it just involves planning your elective courses carefully.

rob2 (Sep 19, 2002 9:50:32 PM)
what is out of state?

justme (Sep 19, 2002 9:50:33 PM)
does visiting the school before applying make a difference to my chances?

ChrisBakerHaas (Sep 19, 2002 9:50:40 PM)
But on the other hand, it is so enjoyable, and the rich learning you're able to do in the company of 239 brilliant young people who have already achieved so much is extremely stimulating

rob2 (Sep 19, 2002 9:50:46 PM)
how long does it take to get residency?

Paul Bodine (Sep 19, 2002 9:50:49 PM)
$21,208 (2001)

Hemel G (Sep 19, 2002 9:50:53 PM)
Chris, I did call the EWMBA program office and they informed me that attending a class with a student guided tour is not available this year

ChrisBakerHaas (Sep 19, 2002 9:51:09 PM)
First semester had been described as "trying to drink from a firehose"--- it's a good analogy

Linda Abraham (Sep 19, 2002 9:51:25 PM)
Chris, what are the three aspects of your Haas experience that you like best and least?

nack (Sep 19, 2002 9:51:28 PM)
? Peter, why is it that students are not allowed to apply for both EWMBA and full-time MBA?

PeterJohnsonHaas (Sep 19, 2002 9:51:39 PM)
For the GPA question, yes, having performed well in a graduate program can help to mitigate a weaker UG GPA--again, it is all about providing evidence that you have the necessary academic skills (including quantitative skills) to succeed in the program, and then about how competitive you might be relative to other candidates.

YLG (Sep 19, 2002 9:51:39 PM)
?Peter, so that means I can do a dual degree program?

YLG (Sep 19, 2002 9:52:27 PM)
? Chris, which area is your concentration?

ChrisBakerHaas (Sep 19, 2002 9:52:39 PM)
Justme: It makes a difference in the sense that you will be able to write the application in a more informed manner. You'll have an understanding of the special culture of this place. You'll have a better idea of whether to apply at all or not. But we don't take roll-call of who comes on campus, if that's what you're referring to.

PeterJohnsonHaas (Sep 19, 2002 9:52:47 PM)
Nack, Berkeley as a whole does not allow students to apply to more than one degree program at a time, mostly to discourage degree shopping. Although the FT and EWMBA programs are both MBAs, the format is different, and we expect applicants to apply for the program that best fits her or his needs.

nack (Sep 19, 2002 9:53:10 PM)
Follow up on that. What is the possibility of shifting from EWMBA to full-time program?

ChrisBakerHaas (Sep 19, 2002 9:53:38 PM)
Hemel G: That may be specific to the Evening program. You're welcome to e-mail us. I am sure we could get you into a day or evening class by special arrangement if you like.

PeterJohnsonHaas (Sep 19, 2002 9:53:59 PM)
YLG--you cannot create a dual degree program, but you can apply for one of the existing dual degree programs, which are the MBA/JD, the MBA/MPH (Public Health), the MBA/MA in Asian Studies or the MBA/MA in Int'l Area Studies.

0 (Sep 19, 2002 9:54:22 PM)
? Are students who complete the Health Care Certificate at a competitive disadvantage to their peers who completed the MBA/MPH when it comes to finding a job? Also are applicants to the MBA/MPH program considered in a separate pool?

nack (Sep 19, 2002 9:54:35 PM)
Also, would be nice if you could talk a little about the pros and cons of EWMBA vs. full-time

Hemel G (Sep 19, 2002 9:54:39 PM)
Chris, That would be wonderful. Could you or Peter provide me with your e-mail address or phone number? I would really appreciate it.

ChrisBakerHaas (Sep 19, 2002 9:55:12 PM)
YLG: Concentrations are optional, as opposed to required at Haas. Nevertheless, I am focusing on entrepreneurship/new product development classes this semester. I plan to take enough marketing to have a fall-back in product management and also satisfy the requirements for the Global Management certificate--- the beauty of a flexible curriculum!

PeterJohnsonHaas (Sep 19, 2002 9:55:13 PM)
You cannot transfer from the EWMBA to the FT MBA or vice versa.

MBA2003 (Sep 19, 2002 9:55:54 PM)
I am sorry. My question might have been missed. But when you get a chance, would you be able to provide a response on how you evaluate those international students who studied undergraduate here but has a mediocre verbal score (e.g., raw score of 30-35)

Paul Bodine (Sep 19, 2002 9:56:39 PM)
Haas facts: Top recruiters of 2001 graduates--Clorox, Siebel Systems, Goldman Sachs, Hewlett-Packard, McKinsey. [WSJ]

ChrisBakerHaas (Sep 19, 2002 9:56:41 PM)
Hemel: Same address as earlier: hsa@haas.berkeley.edu... the address for anything campus visit related.

PSA27 (Sep 19, 2002 9:57:08 PM)
?Chris why did you choose Haas as opposed to another top business school?

Hemel G (Sep 19, 2002 9:57:15 PM)
Will do. Thanks.

Linda Abraham (Sep 19, 2002 9:57:25 PM)
Peter, what's new at Haas this year?

PeterJohnsonHaas (Sep 19, 2002 9:57:37 PM)
The EWMBA program is the best option for individuals who want/need to continue working while completing an MBA; it is probably not as good for people who wish to change careers, since you have less time for career planning activities and no opportunity for a summer internship that might help you to get your foot in the door in a new career field. It also requires even better time management skills than the FT program, and that's saying a lot. Juggling a challenging academic program, a full-time job, and other family/personal obligations is definitely challenging.

ChrisBakerHaas (Sep 19, 2002 9:57:44 PM)
PSA27: My first decision was US vs. Europe for an MBA. I wanted the depth of a top 2-yr program. That really just left LBS and I didn't want to stay in London-- I wanted a more international experience out of my MBA. I also feel that most American firms favor US MBA's over European programs and wanted to have the option to stay here beyond graduation. I ended up getting into 2.5 programs in the US (withdrew from the waitlist at one) and chose Haas for the reasons I outlined right at the beginning--- genuinely

nack (Sep 19, 2002 9:58:00 PM)
? what percentage of EWMBA students take jobs outside their current company after graduating from Haas?

YLG (Sep 19, 2002 9:58:01 PM)
? Chris, what do you think is the key you won to be chosen by Haas? They choose 1 out of 10!

sunny (Sep 19, 2002 9:58:09 PM)
I have a similar concern to MBA 2003. I got 51 in GMAT quantitative, while only 31 in verbal. does this hinder my chance at Hass?

brian (Sep 19, 2002 9:58:48 PM)
? I found Haas short-answer essays interesting. what do you seek from these questions, such as what will you order for the dinner? And what length is appropriate? (I can answer one in 100 words or 500 words)

Haas#1 (Sep 19, 2002 9:59:08 PM)
?MBA programs are constantly evolving. What changes are in the works for Haas? How would a student entering in the fall of 2004 feel that Haas has changed when compared to a student entering in fall 2003?

PeterJohnsonHaas (Sep 19, 2002 9:59:30 PM)
MBA 03--Again, it's all about the relative strengths. If the GMAT verbal score is lower than we like to see, what grades did the applicant earn in courses that require lots of writing? What is the TOEFL score? The AWA? Everything is relative, but if you feel a subscore is not as strong as it could be, it may be in your best interests to take the GMAT again to bring those scores up.

Hemel G (Sep 19, 2002 9:59:54 PM)
? It is common for students to have close relationships with their professors. What opportunity exists for students to foster such relationships in the part time program?

lgold (Sep 19, 2002 10:00:13 PM)
question about quantitative skills: is the GMAT score alone enough? my raw quantitative score was 45, but my undergrad degree is in MCB, and I haven't taken a math course since high school

Linda Abraham (Sep 19, 2002 10:00:39 PM)
What's MCB?

lgold (Sep 19, 2002 10:00:57 PM)
sorry, mcb = molecular & cell bio

Linda Abraham (Sep 19, 2002 10:01:05 PM)

lgold (Sep 19, 2002 10:01:18 PM)
that's a Berkeley acronym :)

MBA2003 (Sep 19, 2002 10:01:21 PM)
Chris - what is the job placement rate for international students?

Linda Abraham (Sep 19, 2002 10:01:32 PM)
I figured the B was bio, but didn't get the others.

PeterJohnsonHaas (Sep 19, 2002 10:01:40 PM)
RE: test scores--again, shoot for at least the middle 80% range to have the best chances of admission. Weak scores in a subsection can make a candidate less competitive.

nack (Sep 19, 2002 10:01:54 PM)
? Is there any difference in the way you would evaluate an EWMBA application? Or the same rules as full-time apply here as well?

ChrisBakerHaas (Sep 19, 2002 10:01:59 PM)
YLG: Ask Pete, he let me in! :)

YLG (Sep 19, 2002 10:02:12 PM)

YLG (Sep 19, 2002 10:02:31 PM)
Pete, why?

PeterJohnsonHaas (Sep 19, 2002 10:03:00 PM)
What's new. First of all, we have a new dean, Tom Campbell, who began on August 19. One of the big points he is stressing (at least this far) is the importance of ethics. We also have a newly revised core, which tightened up the core curriculum a bit, resulting in a set of 11 core courses that comprise 40% of the total units, leaving a bit more time for specializations.

ChrisBakerHaas (Sep 19, 2002 10:03:11 PM)
YLG: Seriously, you need to show a unique professional experience, progression of responsibility, smarts, and a passion for life broader than career aspirations. At Haas anyway... I can't speak for other programs

mls888 (Sep 19, 2002 10:03:59 PM)
Hello everyone

brian (Sep 19, 2002 10:04:01 PM)
? Chris-is Haas cutting the entrepreneurship courses or putting out new courses on entrepreneurship?

Hemel G (Sep 19, 2002 10:04:07 PM)
?? It is common for students to have close relationships with their professors. What opportunity exists for students to foster such relationships in the part time program?

PSA27 (Sep 19, 2002 10:04:17 PM)
? Why did the previous dean leave?

ChrisBakerHaas (Sep 19, 2002 10:04:20 PM)
MBA2003: Internationals sometimes need to work a little harder.

ChrisBakerHaas (Sep 19, 2002 10:04:27 PM)
At finding jobs, I mean!

PeterJohnsonHaas (Sep 19, 2002 10:04:30 PM)
lgold, it's hard to say--in part, it depends on what UG course work you took (particularly in stats/calc) and how well you did. Although many people need a refresher, you need to have the basic skills necessary for quantitative subjects.

sunny (Sep 19, 2002 10:05:04 PM)
just now I noticed a question about the new short essays. so, what does Hass expect from them? if just basic information, why not use a much simpler blank-filling style?

ChrisBakerHaas (Sep 19, 2002 10:05:06 PM)
Some companies will flat out not interview international candidates, so you need to be persistent and creative in getting to those companies that are really important to you.

lgold (Sep 19, 2002 10:05:19 PM)
thanks. there is pre-term refresher course for quantitative skills, right?

YLG (Sep 19, 2002 10:05:20 PM)
thanks Chris, for your advice

PeterJohnsonHaas (Sep 19, 2002 10:05:37 PM)
NAck--re: EWMBA< the process that they use is very similar. Until last year, the same admissions committee did both programs, but the volume got too unwieldy.

ChrisBakerHaas (Sep 19, 2002 10:05:49 PM)
But I believe that any top firm will chose to hire the best people, and so if one happens to be international, they will take on the extra responsibility of resolving your visa issues.

MBA2003 (Sep 19, 2002 10:05:54 PM)
thank you, Chris

mls888 (Sep 19, 2002 10:06:19 PM)
?? Pete - Does the Haas Adcom review applications as they come in or does it start all applications on a certain date?

ChrisBakerHaas (Sep 19, 2002 10:06:19 PM)
I have twice found work in the US now by being able to persuade an employer that I was simply the best person for the job.

PeterJohnsonHaas (Sep 19, 2002 10:06:28 PM)
Why did the previous dean leave--well, personal and professional reasons. Laura Tyson is now dean of LBS, and her husband lived in the UK as a child, and they were looking for opportunities to spend a few years there. In fact, Prof. Tyson is still a tenured faculty member at Haas--she is officially on a leave of absence.

nack (Sep 19, 2002 10:06:51 PM)
? Thanks Peter! Do companies hire from the EWMBA program. what percentage of applicants get such jobs?

ChrisBakerHaas (Sep 19, 2002 10:07:09 PM)
What next?

ChrisBakerHaas (Sep 19, 2002 10:07:32 PM)

PeterJohnsonHaas (Sep 19, 2002 10:07:34 PM)
Nack, I apologize, but I don't have the hiring data from the EWMBA program available at the moment. If you contact the EWMBA Admissions Office, they can provide it for you.

Hemel G (Sep 19, 2002 10:07:49 PM)
?? Sorry I am posting this again. It is common for students to have close relationships with their professors. What opportunity exists for students to foster such relationships in the part time program?

ChrisBakerHaas (Sep 19, 2002 10:08:01 PM)
No, the entrepreneurship program is alive and well at Haas--- this year's second year course is full as usual

PeterJohnsonHaas (Sep 19, 2002 10:08:11 PM)
Sorry, all, I am struggling a bit to keep up! Lots of good questions.

Paul Bodine (Sep 19, 2002 10:08:19 PM)
Haas facts: 87% of all full-time 2001 graduates received offers within 3 months of graduation vs. 93% of graduating full-time foreign nationals. [WSJ]

lgold (Sep 19, 2002 10:08:45 PM)
Peter, could you address the internship program? does Haas assist with placement (I am referring to the summer between the 1st and 2nd years)?

magic (Sep 19, 2002 10:08:46 PM)
For Chris: ?Do you find the fact that Haas has an Undergrad program in Business makes for cramped spaces in the Haas facilities?

PeterJohnsonHaas (Sep 19, 2002 10:09:01 PM)
On the short answers, we look for the quality of thought and writing ability and what it reflects about the applicant. A little creativity helps, too.

ChrisBakerHaas (Sep 19, 2002 10:09:03 PM)
It is fair to say that interest in internet business has waned, but that should come as no surprise to anyone!

magic (Sep 19, 2002 10:09:12 PM)
?And also on that note, do you feel it affects your MBA education?

nack (Sep 19, 2002 10:09:28 PM)
? Do you think a masters degree can cover up if one has less than average work experience?

ChrisBakerHaas (Sep 19, 2002 10:10:04 PM)
No, I don't get the sense that the undergrads spend much time on our campus other than for class

mls888 (Sep 19, 2002 10:10:08 PM)
?? Chris: Are you familiar with the Partners for Entrepreneurial Leadership program (placing people at high-tech firms during the summer)? If so, is it still active and how many people participate?

MBA2003 (Sep 19, 2002 10:10:17 PM)
About HR or Org Behavior job opportunities, what are the chances of employments (internship and full-time) with a HAAS degree? I am asking for myself, who is a U.S. citizen. My previous questions pertaining to opportunities for international students was for someone else

ChrisBakerHaas (Sep 19, 2002 10:10:44 PM)
The grads really use the facilities more intensively

PeterJohnsonHaas (Sep 19, 2002 10:11:28 PM)
Haas assists students in looking for internships, but it is much like the job search process for second years--MBA internships are competitive. The career center staff helps to prepare students, but it is up to the hiring companies.

ChrisBakerHaas (Sep 19, 2002 10:11:47 PM)
If anything I have really enjoyed sharing the campus with Ugrads: We had two great kids as undergrad assistants on one course and I am teaching 2 'Principles of Business' sections to 40 kids each which is a blast!

Linda Abraham (Sep 19, 2002 10:12:07 PM)
Chris, you sound like a very busy person.

magic (Sep 19, 2002 10:12:10 PM)
Ahhh, good ol BA10 I assume.

ChrisBakerHaas (Sep 19, 2002 10:12:15 PM)
MlS888: Yes, I am familiar with it.

sunny (Sep 19, 2002 10:12:16 PM)
what is the ratio of your required courses and electives, Chris?

0 (Sep 19, 2002 10:12:36 PM)
?Chris what steps have you seen the career center take to help job searches in this economy?

PeterJohnsonHaas (Sep 19, 2002 10:13:19 PM)
Although a master's degree is a positive quality, it does not compensate for lack of work exp.

YLG (Sep 19, 2002 10:13:22 PM)
?Pete, that's great, is the summer internship for class 2001 smooth this year?

PeterJohnsonHaas (Sep 19, 2002 10:13:37 PM)
Ratio of courses: 40% Core (required) 60% elective

ChrisBakerHaas (Sep 19, 2002 10:13:38 PM)
PEL is a small program which currently is on a 'low boil'. This is such a student-driven place that since there's not much student interest in PEL at this point, there's not much going on with PEL, but as soon as someone comes to really take it over it could take off again.

MBA2003 (Sep 19, 2002 10:13:48 PM)
In the recent graduating classes, were there any students who received internship/full time job offers in the HR/OB field?

sunny (Sep 19, 2002 10:14:02 PM)
thanks, Peter

ChrisBakerHaas (Sep 19, 2002 10:14:15 PM)
O: We talked about this earlier if you scroll up? (Just trying to avoid repeating material)

nack (Sep 19, 2002 10:14:25 PM)
? Everybody has something interesting to share which may not be covered in the essays. Do you have any statistics on what percentage of selected applicants wrote the optional essay?

PeterJohnsonHaas (Sep 19, 2002 10:14:52 PM)
Nack, no--but having read LOTS of applications, I would guess that it is about 45%.

Hemel G (Sep 19, 2002 10:14:56 PM)
?? It is common for students to have close relationships with their professors. What opportunity exists for students to foster such relationships in the part time program?

ChrisBakerHaas (Sep 19, 2002 10:15:18 PM)
BA10, exactly. er, Linda, I am!

brian (Sep 19, 2002 10:15:35 PM)
? Chris-are you taking classes at Berkeley University? are the classes in other departments accessible?

nack (Sep 19, 2002 10:16:13 PM)
Thanks peter! I have two masters in computer science. Do you think I absolutely have to explain why I have two masters?

Linda Abraham (Sep 19, 2002 10:16:31 PM)
Pete and Chris, would you like to continue for a little longer or call it a night?

ChrisBakerHaas (Sep 19, 2002 10:16:36 PM)
Hemel: Profs in general are willing to be extremely generous with their time, but it's up to student to express an interest and visit with them during office hours

ChrisBakerHaas (Sep 19, 2002 10:16:46 PM)
I am happy to keep going

PeterJohnsonHaas (Sep 19, 2002 10:16:54 PM)
Yes, students at Haas commonly have lots of interaction with faculty. The core courses are relatively small (60 students) and the electives average 35 students; the faculty teach all of their courses, and they are normally involved in a variety of co-curricular activities. A number of faculty work with students on research projects (in the Mgt of Tech and Real Estate programs, for example) and I know of a few who even have dinner with anyone from the class who wants to go after their 4-6 pm slot!

nack (Sep 19, 2002 10:17:04 PM)
you rock, Chris!

YLG (Sep 19, 2002 10:17:15 PM)
great suggestion, Linda

PeterJohnsonHaas (Sep 19, 2002 10:17:30 PM)
I can keep going for a bit, too, Linda-

Linda Abraham (Sep 19, 2002 10:17:52 PM)
OK. Let's go for a few more minutes.

YLG (Sep 19, 2002 10:18:01 PM)
thank you

ChrisBakerHaas (Sep 19, 2002 10:18:03 PM)
Brian: As a Haas student you can cross-register in courses anywhere in the University... for free!

Hemel G (Sep 19, 2002 10:18:09 PM)
?? Are there opportunities to be involved with profs to work with them on any work they are doing for research and such

PeterJohnsonHaas (Sep 19, 2002 10:18:20 PM)
Nack--it is always helpful to explain why you made the educational/career choices that you have.

ChrisBakerHaas (Sep 19, 2002 10:18:39 PM)
Some courses are officially cross-registered with other programs: Engineering, Law School, etc. others you can simply sign up for. Many people take Ugrad foreign languages just to keep up

nack (Sep 19, 2002 10:19:19 PM)
Would the admissions committee take unkindly to leaving Ph.D. in the middle and joining industry

Linda Abraham (Sep 19, 2002 10:19:38 PM)
How is Haas responding to the scandals of the past year?

ChrisBakerHaas (Sep 19, 2002 10:19:47 PM)
Hemel: Yes, you can petition to do Independent Study at any point, to pursue a business interest outside of academics

PeterJohnsonHaas (Sep 19, 2002 10:19:59 PM)
Hemel--yes, depending on the discipline area and the particular faculty members involved. I mentioned real estate and MOT earlier, as they always have student researchers. In fact, in MOT they are working on a really cool project for Hitachi involving the Mu chip, which is the smallest RFID that has yet been developed. They are working as consultants to recommend the best potential applications of the technology.

flylikewind (Sep 19, 2002 10:20:11 PM)
hi, Chris&Peter. I read from a book that Haas gives GMAT&GPA lots of attention. Is that true?

YLG (Sep 19, 2002 10:20:41 PM)
oh? Which book?

flylikewind (Sep 19, 2002 10:21:00 PM)
ABC get a MBA admission edge.

Hemel G (Sep 19, 2002 10:21:13 PM)

Haas#1 (Sep 19, 2002 10:21:17 PM)
How many people from Haas in the past have participated in the MBA Enterprise Corps? Any comments about the program?

PeterJohnsonHaas (Sep 19, 2002 10:21:23 PM)
Linda, I assume you mean the Enron and Anderson scandals, since we didn't have any at Haas that I am aware of! :-) In part, by strengthening the emphasis on ethics. This has been a key point for Tom Campbell for years, but he is really pushing the faculty to make sure that it is covered across the curriculum.

ChrisBakerHaas (Sep 19, 2002 10:21:57 PM)
Haas#1: Not sure, although I know some people have done it.... Pete?

Linda Abraham (Sep 19, 2002 10:22:03 PM)
I meant Enron, et.al.

YLG (Sep 19, 2002 10:22:08 PM)

Linda Abraham (Sep 19, 2002 10:22:23 PM)
No allusions to Haas. :-0

PeterJohnsonHaas (Sep 19, 2002 10:22:28 PM)
I don't think it is true that we emphasize GPA/GMAT as much as many of the other top MBA programs--we turn down a number of 800 GMAT people and a lot of 4.0s each year because they don't have the leadership, interpersonal, and team qualities that we are looking for.

ChrisBakerHaas (Sep 19, 2002 10:22:32 PM)
I certainly know we are a program which works with the Enterprise Corps. I am thinking about applying myself.

Hemel G (Sep 19, 2002 10:23:14 PM)
?? The first Haas short answer section question is around what we are studying right now and plan to study before we might enroll at Haas. What do you see this info being viewed as?

flylikewind (Sep 19, 2002 10:23:19 PM)
Thanks Peter.

PeterJohnsonHaas (Sep 19, 2002 10:23:20 PM)
Yes, we do have grads/students participating with the Enterprise Corp., although it is a small number.

Linda Abraham (Sep 19, 2002 10:24:23 PM)
Last 3 questions...

Haas#1 (Sep 19, 2002 10:24:43 PM)
?thank you

PeterJohnsonHaas (Sep 19, 2002 10:24:44 PM)
Hemel--that primarily refers to any additional course work you are taking currently or will take before next summer that might not be reflected on your academic records.

MBA2003 (Sep 19, 2002 10:24:49 PM)
How are assistantships awarded?

nack (Sep 19, 2002 10:24:59 PM)
?How would you rate Haas as compared to Stanford?

ChrisBakerHaas (Sep 19, 2002 10:25:13 PM)
MBA: What do you mean by assistantships?

brian (Sep 19, 2002 10:25:16 PM)
? do you have the same level of interaction with entrepreneurs in SV as before?

flylikewind (Sep 19, 2002 10:25:16 PM)
faint. You can get this from any web site.

mba_aspire (Sep 19, 2002 10:25:19 PM)
Chris what kind of resources are available at HAAS for students interested in the biotech industry?

PeterJohnsonHaas (Sep 19, 2002 10:25:28 PM)
Students have to apply for the assistantships, which are called GSI (Grad Student Instructor) positions. Chris, since you have one, can you go into more detail?

Hemel G (Sep 19, 2002 10:25:33 PM)
Would you consider training that you undergo at your employer as part of that info? Also what if there is nothing much you are planning to study?

MBA2003 (Sep 19, 2002 10:25:37 PM)
such as being a TA, working with professors as researchers, etc.?

777 (Sep 19, 2002 10:25:56 PM)
? 720 GMAT Q 88 V 93. Does it make sense in trying to improve GMAT score to 740-750s.

PeterJohnsonHaas (Sep 19, 2002 10:26:27 PM)
Admissions people don't generally make comparisons between institutions--that is really for the applicants to do. Stanford has an excellent program, as does Berkeley.

YLG (Sep 19, 2002 10:26:35 PM)
oh 777, you rock me off

Paul Bodine (Sep 19, 2002 10:26:49 PM)
Haas facts: Number of U.S. states represented in 2001 class: 30, number of countries: 32.

flylikewind (Sep 19, 2002 10:27:01 PM)
I believe the real goal of "777" is 777 :-)

YLG (Sep 19, 2002 10:27:07 PM)

ChrisBakerHaas (Sep 19, 2002 10:27:09 PM)
Gotcha. Each professor runs her/his own hiring process to appoint GSIs. After that, there's a set salary and reimbursement of tuition depending upon the workload

777 (Sep 19, 2002 10:27:16 PM)
I wish.

PeterJohnsonHaas (Sep 19, 2002 10:27:36 PM)
Hemel, yes, you should include that info

ChrisBakerHaas (Sep 19, 2002 10:28:07 PM)
777: I hope you have better things to do with your time! Focus your energies on other parts of your app to complement that score.

MBA2003 (Sep 19, 2002 10:28:18 PM)
Is there a quota on student acceptance rates from other countries?

PeterJohnsonHaas (Sep 19, 2002 10:28:22 PM)
777- it depends on the overall strength of your application. As I mentioned earlier, we turn down a number of 800s every year who don't have the other qualities we seek.

flylikewind (Sep 19, 2002 10:28:49 PM)
Chris: "complement"? You mean 720 is weak? I only scored 700.

ChrisBakerHaas (Sep 19, 2002 10:29:24 PM)
NO! I mean that a 700+ is plenty good enough but it will all depend on other parts of your application

PeterJohnsonHaas (Sep 19, 2002 10:29:25 PM)
There is no quota on the acceptance of students from other countries, although we try to have international students compose approximately 1/3 of the class (it was 35% this year) and we try to have diverse representation, other things being equal.

Linda Abraham (Sep 19, 2002 10:29:26 PM)
Complement meant to "go along with," "add to".

ChrisBakerHaas (Sep 19, 2002 10:29:45 PM)
The GMAT is only one part of many variables admissions is considering

flylikewind (Sep 19, 2002 10:29:47 PM)
I see, Chris.

Hemel G (Sep 19, 2002 10:30:02 PM)
Thanks, Peter, Chris and Linda. And great questions from all.

PeterJohnsonHaas (Sep 19, 2002 10:30:07 PM)
Again, re GMAT--shoot for the average, try to at least be in the middle 80% range, and make sure that you present a strong application in the other areas.

flylikewind (Sep 19, 2002 10:30:13 PM)
Thanks, Linda. That is why my verbal part of GMAT is on 71%.

Linda Abraham (Sep 19, 2002 10:30:15 PM)
Thanks for answering the additional questions... and all the questions.

YLG (Sep 19, 2002 10:30:17 PM)
thanks, Peter and Chris, and Linda and all!

Haas#1 (Sep 19, 2002 10:30:18 PM)
Thanks Peter, Chris and Linda

YLG (Sep 19, 2002 10:30:25 PM)
Have to rush now!

YLG (Sep 19, 2002 10:30:28 PM)
Have a good evening!

Linda Abraham (Sep 19, 2002 10:30:30 PM)
Thank you again all for participating this evening. Special thanks to Peter and Chris for joining us this evening and to Paul Bodine for his assistance.

777 (Sep 19, 2002 10:30:35 PM)
Thanks, everyone

Hemel G (Sep 19, 2002 10:30:39 PM)
Good night and thanks once again to all

Linda Abraham (Sep 19, 2002 10:30:42 PM)
We look forward to seeing you at future chats, and here is a list of the upcoming scheduled chats:

Linda Abraham (Sep 19, 2002 10:30:53 PM)
CMU - Laurie Stewart October 2; Michigan - Kris Nebel October 14. Please check the Web site for exact times and details.

MBA2003 (Sep 19, 2002 10:30:54 PM)
thank you for all of your time, Linda, Chris, and Peter

brian (Sep 19, 2002 10:31:03 PM)
Thanks for the great chat!

Paul Bodine (Sep 19, 2002 10:31:04 PM)
Thank you, Haas!

PeterJohnsonHaas (Sep 19, 2002 10:31:09 PM)
Thanks, and we look forward to having the opportunity to review your applications!

Linda Abraham (Sep 19, 2002 10:31:25 PM)
Have a very good evening! Good luck with your applications!

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