2002 Michigan MBA Admissions Chat with Kris Nebel
2002 Michigan MBA Admissions Chat with Kris Nebel
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Linda Abraham (Oct 14, 2002 9:01:23 PM)
First I want to welcome you all to Accepted.com's 2002 Michigan Admissions Chat.
Linda Abraham (Oct 14, 2002 9:01:34 PM)
I also want to welcome Kris Nebel, Director of Admissions and Financial Aid; Al Cotrone, Director of the Office of Career Development; Lisa Monzone, (UMBS 2003), and Mark McIntire (UMBS 2003). And last but not least, I want to welcome Paul Bodine and Cindy Tokumitsu, Accepted.com editors.
Linda Abraham (Oct 14, 2002 9:01:45 PM)
Lisa is focusing on organizational culture, learning and change in the context of sustainable transformation. This summer she interned as a consultant at Deloitte & Touche's Organizational Performance and Strategy group. Lisa's first summer internship was spent as an Associate on Wall Street with Goldman Sachs & Co. in the Private Wealth Management Division. Prior to attending graduate school, Lisa worked for six years at The Nature Conservancy, an international conservation organization. Most recently, she directed fund raising efforts for the Mexico Division's $10.5M capital campaign. Before joining the Conservancy, Lisa conducted research at the Inter-American Development in Washington, D.C. where she evaluated the Bank's indigenous relocation programs in Latin America. She also produced a report on possible market mechanisms for carbon sequestration for the World Bank. Lisa earned her B.A. in International Relations from Stanford University. She is fluent in Spanish.
Linda Abraham (Oct 14, 2002 9:02:14 PM)
Mark has helped to develop a business plan for the UM health system. He serves on the Student Admissions Council, is co-president of the gay and lesbian alliances club, and participates in the Finance Club. He interned for Kaufmanhall & Associates, a NFP healthcare investment bank, and also spent part of his summer studying at the WHU University in Koblenz, Germany. Before coming to UMBS, he was an analyst for Accenture, Griffin, Kubik, Stephens & Thompson, and J.P. Morgan.
Linda Abraham (Oct 14, 2002 9:02:30 PM)
Thanks to everyone for joining.
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:02:36 PM)
It is great to be here.
LisaMonzonUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:02:55 PM)
Yes, thanks everyone for showing up to chat about UMBS!
Linda Abraham (Oct 14, 2002 9:03:10 PM)
I encourage dialogue and discussion, but I would like to suggest a structure to make it easier to follow the threads of conversation. So here is the protocol: We will post material to the chat. If you have a question on that material, please type a '?' and then your question. The other participants or I will reply. If one of you wants to comment on the current topic, please jump right in. If you want to start a different topic, please type '?'.
Linda Abraham (Oct 14, 2002 9:03:26 PM)
If the crowd this evening grows and a moderated chat would be more beneficial, we'll switch to that format to avoid the chaotic feel that some other chats have had. When we switch to a moderated chat, all your questions will come to me. I will choose the questions that have the broadest application and those questions will appear in the main window for our guests to reply to. If and when we switch to a moderated format, you will only see your question in the main window if and when it is chosen. You will not see it if it is not chosen.
Linda Abraham (Oct 14, 2002 9:03:46 PM)
Final request: We would like to avoid the brief summary of qualifications (or even the long laundry list) followed by the question, "Can I qualify?" Or "What are my chances?" This isn't the forum for that kind of question.
Linda Abraham (Oct 14, 2002 9:03:55 PM)
Other than that limitation, this is your chance to ask questions about Michigan's program and admissions policies. But I would like to take advantage of my position as host and ask the first questions.
Linda Abraham (Oct 14, 2002 9:04:06 PM)
When you look at a file, what do you look at first? Last? How do you review a file?
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:04:23 PM)
L - it is a very thorough process, that involves reviewing first someone's resume, then their transcripts, scores, recs, essays and finally their interview. It is a really holistic process. We have a team of students like Lisa and Mark that help participate in the review doing first reads, and then staff do the second reads. We go to third reads as necessary.
Linda Abraham (Oct 14, 2002 9:05:43 PM)
Al, what is Michigan doing to help its graduates in this tough job market?
AlCotroneUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:06:04 PM)
We have continued to work with both our alumni and our corporate recruiters to maintain the good relationships that Michigan enjoys with those groups. It is especially gratifying in a downturn to work with these groups and have their support.
Mtncat97 (Oct 14, 2002 9:06:37 PM)
?what would cause the need for a third read?
Deeps (Oct 14, 2002 9:06:44 PM)
so only those who manage the scrutiny of the first reads are passed on for the second reads ... or all applications will be read by both students and teachers?
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:07:21 PM)
M and D - all files will be read by a staff member, so it never goes just to a student. If we don't agree between the two reads, we go to a third read.
mohican (Oct 14, 2002 9:07:36 PM)
? are all applications reviewed by students the first time
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:07:59 PM)
Mohican - no, since they are on breaks when we are reading (e.g. holidays, etc.)
Linda Abraham (Oct 14, 2002 9:08:19 PM)
The floor is open for your questions.
bill (Oct 14, 2002 9:08:25 PM)
?How does the interview weigh
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:08:27 PM)
L - also on the career piece, we have been working with our students on the off campus career search, as well as strengthening on campus resources
Ed Lau (Oct 14, 2002 9:08:51 PM)
Hi Kris, do you expect the number of applications for the full-time MBA program to increase, decrease, or remain the same compared to that of last year?
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:08:51 PM)
Bill - the interview gives you a chance to really tell your story, and for us to evaluate many of the same things we look for in your overall application. We don't use it to prescreen, but more so as a way to add further depth to your file. We review the results last.
Linda Abraham (Oct 14, 2002 9:09:14 PM)
Lisa and Mark, what do you like best at Michigan? What would you like to see improved?
reapp_mn (Oct 14, 2002 9:09:28 PM)
One staff member reads and makes a decision, or is the application reviewed by a committee of several staff members before a decision is made?
Deeps (Oct 14, 2002 9:09:32 PM)
the interview dates for the first round are closing by ... and no seats are available ... not taking an interview now means not being able to apply in the first round?
ZZ10 (Oct 14, 2002 9:09:35 PM)
joe (Oct 14, 2002 9:09:47 PM)
I know that we have heard a million times that the GMAT is not the most important part of an application, but really what are the chances of someone who has everything but a good GMAT, let's say a 540 GMAT
mohican (Oct 14, 2002 9:09:49 PM)
? I keep hearing about students having extreme diverse backgrounds and then seeking business education in an area in which they have had no experience...how to do you weigh such candidates?
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:09:51 PM)
Ed - it is so hard to say, but my guess is they will remain strong/increase given the economy, Michigan's reputation, and some of our increased marketing efforts.
Linda Abraham (Oct 14, 2002 9:09:58 PM)
Hold the questions please.
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:10:30 PM)
reapp_mn- a file can be reviewed by two staff or a combo of student and staff and then be final
LisaMonzonUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:10:40 PM)
Best about UMBS: diversity of opportunity & resources in a supportive community. You can pretty much go after what you want or create it if it doesn't already exist. Great interdisciplinary opportunities too! I'm a joint degree student (business & natural resources management--> sustainability).
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:10:57 PM)
Deeps - we strongly recommend you interview, so I would suggest getting the interview with an alum, by phone or in person. We could read it without the interview, and we could reach out to you, but another option is to waitlist you or deny you without it.
littletiger (Oct 14, 2002 9:11:09 PM)
? so if the students and staff both agree or disagree to admit the applicant, then there is no need for a third read?
Linda Abraham (Oct 14, 2002 9:11:24 PM)
Do you prefer that domestic applicants interview in Ann Arbor?
ZZ10 (Oct 14, 2002 9:11:38 PM)
?"Describe any experiences you've had that highlight the value of diversity in a business setting." In this essay what is the adcom's objective to find out
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:11:46 PM)
Linda - it is always great when someone can make it to A2, but all interviews really are weighted equally, so doing one by phone or with an alum is fine. Just make sure you are networking and learning about Michigan in other ways.
AlCotroneUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:11:55 PM)
Mohican, We seek diversity in interests and background to help make a very energetic learning environment. In some ways, coming into an area where you have no knowledge expands and challenges the learning environment for everyone.
mohican (Oct 14, 2002 9:12:00 PM)
? I am scheduled for an interview with an alum this week and aiming for R1...can I request to send feedback to adcom before 25th Oct. Is that ok?
Ed Lau (Oct 14, 2002 9:12:34 PM)
? Does the admissions committee make admittance decisions based on applicants' desired concentration to try to strategically distribute among the school's many concentrations? (e.g. Marketing, Finance, Entrepreneurship, etc.)
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:12:36 PM)
Mohican - if you get it done by the 25th you are fine
MarkMcIntireUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:12:45 PM)
L-As a second year MBA at UMBS, I can say that Career Development maintains a variety of contacts. We aren't focused solely on Finance or Technology, which I think makes us stronger in the down market we are seeing right now.
mohican (Oct 14, 2002 9:12:46 PM)
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:13:06 PM)
Ed - it happens naturally given the strength Michigan has across the board, so we don't actually control for it in any way
reapp_mn (Oct 14, 2002 9:13:17 PM)
? I was waitlisted for Fall 2002 and I am reapplying for Fall 2003. I will be submitting another recommendation and a cover letter in paper. What about the application form? Can I do it online? If so, where do I indicate that I am a re-applicant?
Mtncat97 (Oct 14, 2002 9:13:34 PM)
?If I'm applying for admission through the Consortium, should I interview at Michigan or can I interview at a Consortium member school?
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:13:44 PM)
reapp_mn - I can send you additional info on reapplying, but yes, do the forms. There is a place to indicate it on the forms.
LisaMonzonUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:13:56 PM)
Ed - just to add on . . . many folks come in thinking they will concentrate in one area and end up in another by the time they finish their MBA
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:13:59 PM)
Mtncat97 - either is fine - we will accept it either way
joe (Oct 14, 2002 9:14:17 PM)
how much should I worry about the GMAT?
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:14:29 PM)
Joe - you clearly want to be competitive. 2/3 of the folks that apply can handle the work, so the competitiveness of your score comes into play, but it doesn't tell us much about your future career success, which is where the other aspects really weigh in.
reapp_mn (Oct 14, 2002 9:14:38 PM)
MarkMcIntireUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:14:42 PM)
Ed-I'm one of those unintended career changers that Lisa referred to. I planned to go back to banking but decided that consulting was the way to go. I really credit the UMBS experience for "showing me the light" in this regard.
mohican (Oct 14, 2002 9:14:45 PM)
However, I feel having relevant experience does give a sense of balance and not the sort of irrationalization that we sometimes see...I agree that no experience can contribute for healthy classroom discussions, but in the real world experience does pay...just a thought and pl don't consider this as me making a point, etc.
LisaMonzonUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:14:53 PM)
Joe - I would recommend checking out UMBS's GMAT score range--shoot for that.
driss (Oct 14, 2002 9:15:01 PM)
ZZ10 (Oct 14, 2002 9:15:17 PM)
? I have been in my new job for 3 months only. So my manager does not have enough exposure for a recommendation. I am thinking of getting from managers from my previous job. Is that ok?
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:15:24 PM)
zz10 - yes
Neeraj (Oct 14, 2002 9:15:27 PM)
I have a GMAT score of 640 (Q-50, V-27). I am trying to improve my verbal by taking classes in Business Communication from UCLA. Any other suggestions?
joe (Oct 14, 2002 9:15:30 PM)
Lisa, but as long as I am in that range I'm ok?
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:15:44 PM)
Joe - it will depend on the rest of your app
joe (Oct 14, 2002 9:15:57 PM)
LisaMonzonUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:15:59 PM)
Mohican: I think Michigan does a great job at getting in many strong candidates who have excellent work experience--that's made the classroom learning space so much more substantive!
reapp_mn (Oct 14, 2002 9:16:01 PM)
? In a scale of 1-10, I assessed the strength of my essays to be about 7 (this is of the application I submitted for Fall 2002). In such a case, is it worthwhile to rewrite all my essays when I reapply?
Wei (Oct 14, 2002 9:16:03 PM)
? As for the diversity in student body, do you have a pre-defined quota on students with different backgrounds? Do you keep track of the statistics in the admission process?
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:16:29 PM)
reapp_mn - give me your email address at some point and I can send you some additional thoughts on the re-app
Deeps (Oct 14, 2002 9:16:32 PM)
As regards the recommendations....should both come from the place of work, or one from college professors or someone outside the current employer? What would you suggest??
mohican (Oct 14, 2002 9:16:39 PM)
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:16:54 PM)
Wei - as with other areas, we are really fortunate for the diversity of the app pool, so we don't have to formulate anything. We clearly look for the diversity in the class, but there are no quotas. Diversity comes in many forms.
reapp_mn (Oct 14, 2002 9:17:02 PM)
You mean here, Kris?
joe (Oct 14, 2002 9:17:50 PM)
I attended to some executive education courses at UMBS. Is this an advantage?
Mtncat97 (Oct 14, 2002 9:17:52 PM)
Will I be at a disadvantage if I cannot get a recommendation from my current employer (due to job security reasons)?
Deer_Hunter (Oct 14, 2002 9:17:56 PM)
?What's Michigan's best area of concentration of its MBA program, finance, management, marketing, for example?
LisaMonzonUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:18:07 PM)
Deeps: Ask whoever will do the best job at providing us with additional insight into other dimensions of your strengths that don't get captured in GMATs or applications.
Wei (Oct 14, 2002 9:18:18 PM)
Ed Lau (Oct 14, 2002 9:18:21 PM)
? Kris, in a previous chat session you had mentioned that schools have different approaches to management education. What is UMBS's approach and how does it differ from other top programs?
David (Oct 14, 2002 9:18:24 PM)
Is there a preference given to R1 applicants over R2 applicants?
joe (Oct 14, 2002 9:18:39 PM)
what is r1 and r2
David (Oct 14, 2002 9:18:46 PM)
Round 1 / Round 2
mohican (Oct 14, 2002 9:18:47 PM)
David good q--r1=round 1
joe (Oct 14, 2002 9:18:51 PM)
Deer_Hunter (Oct 14, 2002 9:18:52 PM)
LisaMonzonUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:19:07 PM)
Mtncat97: On recs, that's fine. Some folks are in the same situation as you. Just be sure it's someone who really knows you and can speak of your qualities.
mohican (Oct 14, 2002 9:19:10 PM)
> can u tell the % selection in r1 vs. r2
Deeps (Oct 14, 2002 9:19:18 PM)
ZZ10 (Oct 14, 2002 9:19:23 PM)
?choice of recommenders. How is it perceived not having a recommendation from a current supervisor? I have been in my job for 3 months only, so I'm getting recs from previous managers
SanDiego (Oct 14, 2002 9:19:45 PM)
?What kind of work experience is most valuable, what about those that are not at the mgmt level?
Deanette (Oct 14, 2002 9:19:49 PM)
? If your GMAT is low, is it worth working with your recommender to have him/her point out your strengths in the areas of the GMAT in which you may have scored poorly?
mohican (Oct 14, 2002 9:20:02 PM)
? how strict are you on the word counts for essays? Any % on leeways?
MarkMcIntireUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:20:14 PM)
Ed-UMBS is really focused on the full package. If you're weak in finance, that is where UMBS lets you improve. If you need help in Marketing, that is what is emphasized. Given our strength across different competencies, UMBS is in a position to do just that.
AlCotroneUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:21:04 PM)
Deer Hunter, In terms of where graduates go to work, last year finance was our largest %, but...historically, UMBS has been broadly strong, as evidenced by the many career areas that our grads pursue.
reapp_mn (Oct 14, 2002 9:21:10 PM)
Al, How has the recruiting been in IT/Management Consulting this year?
driss (Oct 14, 2002 9:21:19 PM)
Mr. Kris, I'm driss taleb, I just graduated from Mary Washington College with an overall GPA of 3.84. My major is business. Yet, my dilemma is that I don't have any real experience after my graduation. Does Michigan require a professional experience prior to applying?
joe (Oct 14, 2002 9:21:33 PM)
having attended an UMBS executive education course is an advantage
AlCotroneUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:21:46 PM)
Reapp_mn, Consulting overall has been hit extremely hard by the downturn. 16% of our class last year went to consulting down from 34% in prior years. The combination of IT and consulting is a very difficult pursuit right now. al.
reapp_mn (Oct 14, 2002 9:21:48 PM)
Kris is a woman, driss
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:21:50 PM)
Driss - it will add to your experience with us if you have had some level of FTWE
Deeps (Oct 14, 2002 9:21:58 PM)
What are the extracurricular activities one can pursue at A2 considering the rigorous study schedule ?
driss (Oct 14, 2002 9:21:59 PM)
LisaMonzonUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:22:05 PM)
zz10 & Deanette: on recs: get someone who will do a good job writing a rec for you. Definitely use it as a way to counter weaknesses in other areas of your application and draw out strengths that may have not been highlighted.
mohican (Oct 14, 2002 9:22:10 PM)
? Kris: Can u comment on the % selection in r1 vs. r2
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:22:28 PM)
Deeps - we have about 40 different clubs, check out our website for info www.bus.umich.edu/apply
scott.collins (Oct 14, 2002 9:22:28 PM)
? Al - UMBS has enjoyed a high employment rate (at graduation, and soon thereafter) during the past few years. How much, if any, do you see that changing?
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:22:51 PM)
All - I missed a few Qs back there as we waited to change formats, so feel free to repost
CC (Oct 14, 2002 9:22:58 PM)
Can someone please comment on the Organizational Behavior and HR Management concentration?
driss (Oct 14, 2002 9:22:59 PM)
I worked as a swing manager for McDonald's for one year. But that was in my junior year at college.
reapp_mn (Oct 14, 2002 9:23:20 PM)
Al, I hope the situation improves in the next few years.
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:23:28 PM)
CC - we have an exceptional OB program. What area are you most interested in - placement to HR leadership programs is really strong
MarkMcIntireUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:23:30 PM)
Deanette-It can't hurt to have your recommender mention your strengths; however, let it be free form. You want it to be a reflection of you that will also show in your interview.
David (Oct 14, 2002 9:23:34 PM)
? Is there a preference given to Round 1 applicants over Round 2 applicants?
LisaMonzonUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:23:36 PM)
Deeps: lot's of extracurricular activities! it's a matter of how much time you can put into them. This year I'm involved in the organizational strategy club, Net Impact (students for socially responsible business), soccer club
AlCotroneUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:23:45 PM)
Scott, There is no question that last year was a more difficult year for MBA graduates. This year seems much more stable in that the recruiters this year at least know what they have available, whereas last year, they were not even sure what their goals would be.
reapp_mn (Oct 14, 2002 9:23:46 PM)
Al, do IT/Management Consulting firms recruit candidates in specific tracks (general management, strategic consulting, IT consulting, etc.) or is everyone recruited into a common track to begin with?
Deeps (Oct 14, 2002 9:23:57 PM)
thanks, Kris, I found out...but your study schedule permits you the time to be a part of how many of them?
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:23:57 PM)
David - no preference, although we tend to see stronger apps in Round 1 overall, but we have no quotas. You are at a disadvantage waiting to round 3 in some cases, you can't come to our admit weekend, etc if in rd 3
Linda Abraham (Oct 14, 2002 9:24:20 PM)
Kris, do you tend to admit a higher percentage in different rounds?
ZZ10 (Oct 14, 2002 9:24:21 PM)
Linda, I have asked 3 questions, but none got answered. Should I just wait or repost?
mohican (Oct 14, 2002 9:24:23 PM)
? I have a 690 GMAT (q =99%, 51 and v= 62%, 31)...some have got a higher total with the same individual scores...does it get normlaized when u get scores from ETS? Do I need to improve on verbal, considering that I have been to grad school in this country?
CC (Oct 14, 2002 9:24:27 PM)
Thank you, Kris. I am most interested in Organization Restructuring and Change Management
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:24:30 PM)
Deeps - maybe Lisa and Mark can weigh in
LisaMonzonUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:24:41 PM)
Last year, I participated in clubs such as: Hispanic/Latino business students association, Michigan Business Women, Ice Hockey
Deeps (Oct 14, 2002 9:24:44 PM)
oh Lisa, that's a lot of them. I am fond of a lot of them and was wondering how much one can actually do...thanks
Mtncat97 (Oct 14, 2002 9:24:44 PM)
When do students start interviewing for a summer internship?
Linda Abraham (Oct 14, 2002 9:24:45 PM)
ZZ10, please repost. My apologies again.
killbot (Oct 14, 2002 9:24:54 PM)
Kris, my question is pertinent to international students: Do you employ different evaluation standards for international students? Some colleges have a higher average GMAT and GPA scores for students from India/China. What was the average score for students from Asia?
CC (Oct 14, 2002 9:25:12 PM)
I would like to work for a consulting company such as Towers Perrins or Mercer, doing HR consulting
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:25:17 PM)
Killbot - you are right that competition among international applicants is fierce. We get a lot of great apps from India and China. I don't know the average GMAT for them alone, but I would guess it is over 700.
Ed Lau (Oct 14, 2002 9:25:21 PM)
? How has the Michigan MBA program improved from the previous year?
LisaMonzonUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:25:23 PM)
Summer internships: for 1st yr MBAs start in Winter Term (Jan or later) but corporate presentations start right away after you get to school.
AlCotroneUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:25:50 PM)
Reapp_mn, Generally, the distinction is firm by firm, rather than tracks within a firm. That said, most consulting firms will retain at least some staff in each of the areas: Strategy, Operations, Technology and People.
MarkMcIntireUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:25:59 PM)
San Diego-I wouldn't say one type of experience is more valuable than any other. It is how you weave your background into what you want to do post B-school.
Bairuode (Oct 14, 2002 9:26:03 PM)
What are appropriate interview questions for me to ask in the interview?
David (Oct 14, 2002 9:26:21 PM)
? Is a high verbal on the GMAT more important than a high quant? Or vice versa?
LisaMonzonUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:26:23 PM)
CC - Mercer came and gave a corporate presentation last week. I had 2 friends at Towers last summer and I interned with Deloitte & Touche's Organizational Performance & Strategy group . . . lots of opportunities here for HR/Org strategy!
ZZ10 (Oct 14, 2002 9:26:24 PM)
?I have been in my new job for 3 months so my current manager does not have enough exposure with me. Should I still get a recommendation from him or from 2 managers from a previous job? How does adcom perceive this situation?
joe (Oct 14, 2002 9:26:26 PM)
can I get an internship in Europe?
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:26:32 PM)
Bair - ask what you have questions on, but do your research on the program too
Deanette (Oct 14, 2002 9:26:44 PM)
?How are scholarships rewarded: merit or need-based? Do you have to apply by a certain round to be eligible for scholarship?
Deeps (Oct 14, 2002 9:26:46 PM)
how differently do u look at international applicants? Any specific qualities that you look for?
Linda Abraham (Oct 14, 2002 9:26:57 PM)
Let's hold questions and let them catch up.
AlCotroneUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:26:57 PM)
Cat, Summer internship interviews begin in January, but preparation should start much sooner. al.
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:26:58 PM)
ZZ10 - going to your previous mgr is fine - you can note it in your optional essay if you want
Wei (Oct 14, 2002 9:27:00 PM)
? Lisa/Mark, how helpful has the MAP been to your internship?
MarkMcIntireUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:27:05 PM)
Ed-An example is the Tozzi Center which is coming online shortly. It is a high-tech trading forum that is really state-of-the-art. It is comparable to what is in the big investment houses on Wall Street in their portfolio management divisions.
CC (Oct 14, 2002 9:27:13 PM)
Thanks, Lisa. Do you mind if I email you afterwards to find out more about the OB/HR program?
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:27:29 PM)
Deeps -we are looking for the same things in international apps, talent, FTWE, leadership, initiative, etc.
Bairuode (Oct 14, 2002 9:27:30 PM)
What are the key things that recruiters look for in international applicants?
reapp_mn (Oct 14, 2002 9:27:34 PM)
Al, how are the prospects for one who is interested in Global Consulting? Is there such a differentiation in consulting companies?
LisaMonzonUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:27:37 PM)
Joe - there are opportunities for international internships. Even if companies aren't recruiting on campus, I've had friends that have approached international companies and been successful at getting placed.
joe (Oct 14, 2002 9:27:58 PM)
LisaMonzonUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:27:59 PM)
cc - please follow up, I'd be happy to chat about HR/org strategy opportunities
SanDiego (Oct 14, 2002 9:28:03 PM)
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:28:14 PM)
Deanette - mainly merit based, with some need. We have new programs focused on women under the Forte Foundation which we helped found.
Mtncat97 (Oct 14, 2002 9:28:18 PM)
Other than the Consortium Fellowship, what other types of fellowships or financial aid are available for minorities?
reapp_mn (Oct 14, 2002 9:28:27 PM)
? My supervisor gave me one recommendation for my previous application. When I reapply, is it OK to get a new recommendation from the same person?
mohican (Oct 14, 2002 9:28:45 PM)
? how strict are you folks on the word count for essays
CC (Oct 14, 2002 9:28:46 PM)
Thank you, Lisa. Where can I email you? Or should I get your email from the Admissions Office tomorrow?
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:28:47 PM)
Mtncat97 - we have a number of company specific programs through Goldman, JPMorgan Chase, Merrill, etc, as well as being a toigo school. These are mainly finance programs, but we have other general scholarships too.
AlCotroneUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:28:50 PM)
All, On international recruitment, you will find that securing a position overseas is best accomplished by leveraging our international alumni. We have workshops in how to conduct an off-campus search if what you desire isn't found on campus.
joe (Oct 14, 2002 9:28:53 PM)
having attended an UMBS executive course is an advantage???
Wei (Oct 14, 2002 9:29:05 PM)
Multidisciplinary action projects
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:29:18 PM)
Mohican - we don't count them, but we know if you go way over.
LisaMonzonUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:29:22 PM)
Wei: my MAP internship turned out to be key in helping me transition into organizational consulting. I didn't have previous experience, but the MAP provided me with high-level, executive exposure to organizational leadership and re-organizational issues . . . it was awesome!
mohican (Oct 14, 2002 9:29:27 PM)
driss (Oct 14, 2002 9:29:40 PM)
Ms Kris, I couldn't find a job in the field of management after my graduation. So, that's why I wanted to go back to school.
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:29:48 PM)
reapp_mn - if need be, but make sure they write new info
MarkMcIntireUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:29:50 PM)
Bairuode-The core qualities are the same - teamwork, leadership, hard worker. The main differentiating point is the TOFEL test.
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:30:00 PM)
Driss - I suggest you keep networking and looking
Bairuode (Oct 14, 2002 9:30:01 PM)
How much money should I have in the bank if I want to apply for the MBA? I am an international applicant.
scott.collins (Oct 14, 2002 9:30:16 PM)
?'s Lisa and Mark -- How easy or difficult was it for you to move to Ann Arbor? What did you find to be your biggest surprise? How was the transition from work to school?
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:30:19 PM)
Bairuode - you have to show proof of funding to cover two years, but we also have the CitiAssist loan program that guarantees funding - check out our website - you can use that for documentation. We are one of only a few schools with such a program.
Deeps (Oct 14, 2002 9:30:25 PM)
thanks Kris....but is aid, etc. parameters that are considered for international applicants ?
LisaMonzonUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:30:35 PM)
Mohican & others on word counts for essays: It's important to be able to convey your thoughts in a succinct manner. Sometimes less is more. I would definitely try to work within the word count limits.
Bairuode (Oct 14, 2002 9:30:36 PM)
Thank you Mark
Wei (Oct 14, 2002 9:30:41 PM)
Lisa. Thanks. Would it be a good idea to use MAP opportunity to broaden perspective if I know what I want to do?
mohican (Oct 14, 2002 9:30:45 PM)
? for Kris: 690 on GMAT q=99%, 51 and v =62% , 31...does one need to improve verbal to make a strong case
ZZ10 (Oct 14, 2002 9:30:53 PM)
?What if I don't get a recommendation from my current supervisor? I have been in my new job for 3 months
Ed Lau (Oct 14, 2002 9:30:58 PM)
? I'm interested in the IMAP opportunity, what are the requirements to participate?
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:30:59 PM)
Mohican - can't say, depends on rest of app
Linda Abraham (Oct 14, 2002 9:31:14 PM)
ZZ10, Kris answered that above. She said you should ask your previous mgr.
MarkMcIntireUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:31:15 PM)
I came from Chicago, and yes, it was a transition, but AA is really a fantastic college town plus the culture. Actually, it is a lot like Blomington, IN where I went for undergrad, but with better restaurants!
LisaMonzonUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:31:33 PM)
ZZ10 - Fine on recs. Just be sure it's a strong one.
reapp_mn (Oct 14, 2002 9:31:36 PM)
My supervisor is the only person who knows what I have been doing for the last year, Kris. So, I think I will explain that fact in my cover letter. Acceptable?
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:31:43 PM)
reapp_mn - yes
AlCotroneUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:31:58 PM)
Wei, Many students highlight their MAP experience on their resume. It is a wonderful combination of practical and developmental learning that is of value to recruiters and to the students involved. It's one of the reasons we're known for generating "results-producing graduates."
reapp_mn (Oct 14, 2002 9:32:07 PM)
steven (Oct 14, 2002 9:32:12 PM)
?I am applying for the JD/MBA program. I have already begun my first year at the law school. Is there anything outside of the normal application that I have to do? Should I indicate that in an optional essay?
mohican (Oct 14, 2002 9:32:12 PM)
I confirm what Mark says.. main street is awesome
Bairuode (Oct 14, 2002 9:32:13 PM)
Mark, you mentioned TOEFL in my previous question. Do you think this has more weight than GMAT for international students?
Deer_Hunter (Oct 14, 2002 9:32:20 PM)
?what is MAP?
ZZ10 (Oct 14, 2002 9:32:21 PM)
got it...thanks Linda....window is moving too fast for me
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:32:21 PM)
Michigan's action-based learning really sets us apart from other programs
Wei (Oct 14, 2002 9:32:42 PM)
ZZ10 (Oct 14, 2002 9:32:58 PM)
?What is the objective of and expectations from the diversity in business setting question?
LisaMonzonUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:32:59 PM)
Ann Arbor: It's really a great place to live. I'm from California and DC area and have really taken a liking to the culture and community in Ann Arbor. It's been rated by Outside Magazine as one of the best places to live!
vic (Oct 14, 2002 9:33:05 PM)
? for Kris: I am an international applicant, but have been working in the US for the last 3 years. Have an MS from here as well. Can the TOEFL be waived?
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:33:06 PM)
Steven - no, not really, just make sure your goals are well defined. JD/MBAs are sometimes a little more vague than others.
MarkMcIntireUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:33:15 PM)
Regarding the transition from work to school, it took about a month for me to switch gears and get used to the pace of school life. I think time management is key to success in the process.
reapp_mn (Oct 14, 2002 9:33:18 PM)
Any resources you can point me to for getting some International alumni contacts?
steven (Oct 14, 2002 9:33:19 PM)
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:33:23 PM)
Vic - yes - we specify that in the app. You are fine
Wei (Oct 14, 2002 9:33:24 PM)
? For international applicants, do you weight more on the verbal section of the GMAT score?
vic (Oct 14, 2002 9:33:38 PM)
mohican (Oct 14, 2002 9:33:49 PM)
? Kris: is it possible for u to comment on % selection in R1 vs. R2
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:33:53 PM)
Wei - we will want to make sure your verbal skills are strong enough to handle the classroom, so we look at that, your interview, and TOEFL
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:34:14 PM)
Mohican - we don't have set numbers, but we probably take similar #s out of each round
Bairuode (Oct 14, 2002 9:34:27 PM)
How should I approach answering the interview question "How will Michigan MBA program help you?"
mohican (Oct 14, 2002 9:34:27 PM)
CC (Oct 14, 2002 9:34:28 PM)
Lisa, it's CC again. I am not sure if you got my previous question. How may I follow up with you?
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:34:36 PM)
Bair - that is for you to determine!
joe (Oct 14, 2002 9:34:40 PM)
Kris, I attended UMBS executive education courses. Is this an advantage?
Linda Abraham (Oct 14, 2002 9:34:55 PM)
Lisa, CC was wondering if there is an e-mail address where she can contact you.
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:34:58 PM)
Joe - if it gives you a sense of Michigan, that is a great thing.
LisaMonzonUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:35:00 PM)
Bairuode: Be truthful and honest. You should be able to answer this in an interview.
Mtncat97 (Oct 14, 2002 9:35:08 PM)
?What's the average cost for a 2 bedroom apartment in AA?
Deeps (Oct 14, 2002 9:35:17 PM)
does an exceptional TOEFL and Verbal section score in GMAT give an edge to the international applicants ?...or is it just a minimum requirement ?
LisaMonzonUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:35:21 PM)
CC - you can reach me at email@example.com
Deanette (Oct 14, 2002 9:35:22 PM)
?How many people live in student-housing
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:35:23 PM)
Lisa or mark - can you address the apt Q
Bairuode (Oct 14, 2002 9:35:25 PM)
Ok thank you
joe (Oct 14, 2002 9:35:38 PM)
what are the opportunities for partners
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:35:41 PM)
Deanette - we have married housing, if that is what you are referring to?
Wei (Oct 14, 2002 9:35:41 PM)
? Kris. I has been in the US for more than 7 years, either studying or working full-time. I guess that I can waive TOEFL. Would 76% on verbal be OK?
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:35:56 PM)
Joe - we have a great SOS program
LisaMonzonUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:35:56 PM)
Student Housing: most MBAs live off campus (nearby w/in walking distance). Some married folks live in student housing.
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:36:10 PM)
SOS is significant others and spouses
Deanette (Oct 14, 2002 9:36:16 PM)
More towards single on-campus living. Is there any for singles?
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:36:20 PM)
We also have Open for Business
joe (Oct 14, 2002 9:36:21 PM)
and what's SOS about?
MarkMcIntireUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:36:34 PM)
Bairuode- The TOFEL is really a different piece of the puzzle; however, it's not a make or break, as verbal skills can also be evaluated during the interview...so not a huge deal if you're not a great test taker.
mohican (Oct 14, 2002 9:36:35 PM)
?How is the strength of the program in SCM=Supply chain mgmt
steven (Oct 14, 2002 9:36:44 PM)
?Anyone, regarding MAP, does industry experience, etc. affect placement, or does a strong interest in a given field suffice?
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:36:50 PM)
Deanette - many live in apartments off campus, with some complexes housing a few hundred of them in one place - we joke that it is MBA gardens
CC (Oct 14, 2002 9:36:54 PM)
Thank you very much , Lisa. It really helps to get information about OB/HR from a student with experience such as yours.
littletiger (Oct 14, 2002 9:36:55 PM)
? why does the consortium not include Asian Americans?
Deer_Hunter (Oct 14, 2002 9:37:08 PM)
? what percent of international students got scholarship from Michigan last year?
AlCotroneUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:37:19 PM)
steven, MAP is viewed by the recruiters as a key part of the overall education, but not necessarily a distinguisher in recruitment. al.
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:37:20 PM)
Mohican - our ops mgmt program, which includes SCO is great -have you looked into the TMI program?
reapp_mn (Oct 14, 2002 9:37:27 PM)
Could anyone from the UMBS team suggest a resource for International alumni contact info.?
mohican (Oct 14, 2002 9:37:36 PM)
yes, I have
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:37:40 PM)
Deer - I can't recall specifically, but maybe 20%
Deer_Hunter (Oct 14, 2002 9:37:45 PM)
? Al, what's MAP?
Mtncat97 (Oct 14, 2002 9:37:50 PM)
?My wife and I are planning to apply to Michigan, do you know of any other couples that are currently enrolled?
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:37:52 PM)
Mohican - great - that could be a great resource for you
mohican (Oct 14, 2002 9:38:04 PM)
however I started out in manufacturing and now am more into applications that deal with manufacturing planning and so was wondering
MarkMcIntireUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:38:09 PM)
Thanks, Kris. On that note, Open for Business is UMBS' gay/lesbian alliance. If anyone is interested in learning more feel free to contact me off line or visit our website at http://webuser.bus.umich.edu/organizations/OpenForBusiness/
Bairuode (Oct 14, 2002 9:38:18 PM)
Which are the top MBA majors that job recruiters are most interested in?
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:38:22 PM)
little - the mission of the CGSM was focused on underrepresented minorities. Toigo does include AA
AlCotroneUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:38:26 PM)
Reapp_mn, Within our intranet community, students have access to our alumni, most of whom are only too happy to assist in your search. al.
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:38:44 PM)
Bair - finance, marketing, consulting
steven (Oct 14, 2002 9:38:47 PM)
?al, sorry, I was unclear. Regarding placement in a given MAP company, does your work prior to starting school affect it? Say I wanted to work in M&A for MAP, but have very little M&A experience in my consulting career prior to school?
ZZ10 (Oct 14, 2002 9:38:48 PM)
?Can you please share the objective of diversity in the business setting essay? What is adcom's expectation?
Bairuode (Oct 14, 2002 9:39:05 PM)
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:39:08 PM)
ZZ10 - it is really for you to share your meaning of diversity with us
reapp_mn (Oct 14, 2002 9:39:10 PM)
OK, so you suggest that I contact a current student, Al?
LisaMonzonUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:39:14 PM)
steven: on MAP -- your all-round package is matched against others also interested in the same project but you. I wouldn't say industry experience always makes a difference (though it can help). I have a background in non-profits (international conservation/fund raising). I got on a great MAP team looking at a Tier Automotive Supplier--executive level assessment & re-org.
littletiger (Oct 14, 2002 9:39:16 PM)
? Kris: what is Toigo?
AlCotroneUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:39:24 PM)
MAP is an acronym for Multidisciplinary Action Program - March-April of year 1 is spent onsite solving real companies problems with your classmate team. al.
mohican (Oct 14, 2002 9:39:25 PM)
I know job is imp...but having known friends from Michigan, I can tell u all in the long run it does pay a lot. Maybe more than other schools.
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:39:46 PM)
It is a great org focused on finance. www.rtf.org, I believe. You can get to it from our website too.
ZZ10 (Oct 14, 2002 9:39:51 PM)
?What is the meaning of "business setting"? I am not clear about that.
Deer_Hunter (Oct 14, 2002 9:39:57 PM)
littletiger (Oct 14, 2002 9:40:06 PM)
steven (Oct 14, 2002 9:40:18 PM)
Deeps (Oct 14, 2002 9:40:26 PM)
? for anyone. How many scholarships are there at A2 for international students ? And what is the distinguishing criteria in that competitive pool ?
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:40:29 PM)
For any of you that have not yet done so, I encourage you to request a copy of our Viewbook - it highlights the program very well
Deer_Hunter (Oct 14, 2002 9:40:44 PM)
? Lisa and Mark, what's your area of concentration respectively?
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:41:01 PM)
Deeps, all of our scholarships are quite competitive, b/c you are building off of an already top pool. In addition to the scholarships, we have the CitiAssist program too.
Bairuode (Oct 14, 2002 9:41:02 PM)
I am not sure whether to build more experience in economy or management before MBA school. Which one would prepare me better and increase my chances for admission?
CC (Oct 14, 2002 9:41:02 PM)
Kris, how much does internships during undergrad weigh? I have 2 yrs of full-time experience, but I do feel that my internships were a bit out of the ordinary. Would that help my application at all?
AlCotroneUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:41:05 PM)
Steven, I'm sorry - yes, your candidacy at a MAP company will be the same as your candidacy at any recruiter - while your prior experience is key, the MBA affords a great opportunity to change careers. al.
reapp_mn (Oct 14, 2002 9:41:24 PM)
True, Kris. I found this year's viewbook great.
vic (Oct 14, 2002 9:41:24 PM)
Kris, How has the downturn in the economy affected recruiting at the school?
LisaMonzonUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:41:33 PM)
Deer Hunter: My area of concentration is organizational strategy and transformation. I'm interested in corporate strategy and organizational behavior but am also enrolled in the Corporate Environmental Management Program (CEMP)--a joint degree program.
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:41:42 PM)
CC - sure, but don't spend too much time focusing on u/g in your app
MarkMcIntireUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:42:05 PM)
Also for those of you interested in a dual major (in addition or as a supplement to the Clubs listed on http://mtrack.bus.umich.edu/Organizations/) the Viewbook has a whole section ranging from Medicine to Law.
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:42:13 PM)
Vic - I will let Al elaborate, but it has affected all schools. We are better positioned than most due to the relationships we have across multiple industries, reflective of our strengths across the board.
AlCotroneUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:42:23 PM)
Reapp_mn, Please clarify - "contact a current student to investigate overseas placement after graduation?" Probably best to email me directly tomorrow to get my specific advice. Current students could certainly share their experiences, though. al.
Deer_Hunter (Oct 14, 2002 9:42:43 PM)
vic (Oct 14, 2002 9:42:59 PM)
killbot (Oct 14, 2002 9:43:00 PM)
how do you evaluate GPAs for international students whose grading systems tend to vary greatly ?? Do you have some standards for conversion ??
Linda Abraham (Oct 14, 2002 9:43:20 PM)
Mark, I understand that you spent some time in Germany as part of your UMBS studies? Can you comment on the experience?
Deeps (Oct 14, 2002 9:43:21 PM)
thanks Kris...what is this CitiAssist program about?
Deeps (Oct 14, 2002 9:43:26 PM)
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:43:27 PM)
Killbot - we are very familiar with international schools, and I have a team member who focuses on a specific region, so that helps add perspective
CC (Oct 14, 2002 9:43:37 PM)
Thank you, Kris.
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:43:45 PM)
Deeps - check out the website www.bus.umich.edu/apply under the fin aid piece
reapp_mn (Oct 14, 2002 9:43:48 PM)
Al, International alumni -- just to discuss my career goals (no intention of asking for a job at this time)
MarkMcIntireUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:44:00 PM)
Hunter-I'm focusing on Finance. However, at UMBS, this is fungible. You aren't beholden to any classes outside of the core. For instance, I am taking BrandMaps which is a fantastic Marketing class and I am still a "Finance guy."
Ed Lau (Oct 14, 2002 9:44:35 PM)
? Kris, Mark, and Lisa, will any of you be attending the reception being held this Thursday, Oct 17 in Chicago?
LisaMonzonUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:44:35 PM)
Vic - downturn economy has affected ALL business schools and even regular workforce. Michigan has a great Alumni network though and a highly reputable name brand . . .while it will be tough for all of us, I think we're pretty well-positioned to find some great career opportunities if we are willing to work hard at uncovering them.
Deer_Hunter (Oct 14, 2002 9:44:36 PM)
thank you, finance guy
Deanette (Oct 14, 2002 9:44:46 PM)
?In evaluating GPAs and coursework, are there some schools that the admissions committee is more familiar with than others, and does that often impact decisions. Several courses on transcripts are often hard to tell what the course was actually about. How does the admissions committee take these descriptions into consideration?
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:44:50 PM)
Ed - I won't, but Inge Miller and other staff will be there, plus students
AlCotroneUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:45:12 PM)
Vic, The downturn affected consulting firms the most. Dating back to May of 2001, the consultants have been hard hit. Fortunately, the breadth of our recruitment base has offset some of the drop from the consulting firms. Last year, corporate finance really picked up the slack. al.
vic (Oct 14, 2002 9:45:21 PM)
thx Lisa. Follow-up, what was the percentage of the 2002 class that had job offers upon graduation?
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:45:22 PM)
Deanette - we can get a good sense of the rigor of your curriculum by reviewing the transcript
reapp_mn (Oct 14, 2002 9:45:23 PM)
Kris, are you or your staff visiting Minneapolis by any chance?
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:45:37 PM)
reapp_mn - not this year unfortunately
reapp_mn (Oct 14, 2002 9:45:44 PM)
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:45:51 PM)
reapp_mn - come to A2
MarkMcIntireUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:45:52 PM)
Linda-I was in Germany this past summer as part of UMBS' overseas program which is at the beginning of the summer. (There are several places from which you can choose.) Because UMBS has a longer summer than most programs (April - August), there was time to do this.
LisaMonzonUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:45:56 PM)
Ed - I'll be covering the DC reception this Thursday. I attended it as a prospective student and found it a really good opportunity to hear about Michigan and meet students in person.
ZZ10 (Oct 14, 2002 9:46:04 PM)
Thanks everybody. I am logging off. Goodnight
reapp_mn (Oct 14, 2002 9:46:07 PM)
brian (Oct 14, 2002 9:46:19 PM)
?Mark, Al and Lisa, how's the entrepreneurship courses at UMBS? Did you take any of them?
MarkMcIntireUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:46:37 PM)
Ed-I will be in Chicago this week and hope to see you there.
Linda Abraham (Oct 14, 2002 9:46:39 PM)
LisaMonzonUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:46:41 PM)
Vic: on percentage of 2002 class w/job offers . . .I'll defer to AL Cotrone
Bairuode (Oct 14, 2002 9:46:44 PM)
As an international student, how much money should I have in the bank for living expenses during my MBA studies? Maybe a range?
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:46:58 PM)
Bair - I think I answered that earlier??
Deer_Hunter (Oct 14, 2002 9:47:01 PM)
? Is there a deposit requirement?
AlCotroneUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:47:07 PM)
Vic, I believe that at graduation 2/3 of the class had an offer in hand. One potentially deceptive fact in that statistic is that graduation at UMBS takes place in April, which is very early compared to most schools. al.
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:47:10 PM)
Deer - $750 to hold your place
Deeps (Oct 14, 2002 9:47:14 PM)
thanks Kris....another ? for kris, mark, lisa....what is the rise in the percentage of applicants this year? And from which stream?
Ashley (Oct 14, 2002 9:47:14 PM)
Lisa, Do you think enrollment in the joint degree CEMP increases environment consulting opportunities over an MBA with selected environmental courses for an experienced environment consultant?
reapp_mn (Oct 14, 2002 9:47:21 PM)
Even though I underwent an alumni interview last year, I wish to undergo another interview, this time with an Admissions Committee member. Is that allowed?
scott.collins (Oct 14, 2002 9:47:24 PM)
? Kris -- With the economic downturn, would you be expecting a higher number of applications for full-time Fall 2003 start?
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:47:28 PM)
Deeps - came from both international and domestic
Ed Lau (Oct 14, 2002 9:47:31 PM)
Great, Mark! I would like to meet you in person.
vic (Oct 14, 2002 9:47:34 PM)
Kris, who do you see as your closest competition?
Bairuode (Oct 14, 2002 9:47:43 PM)
Deer Hunter, I am sorry I didn't catch. Can you repeat please?
Deanette (Oct 14, 2002 9:47:44 PM)
Lisa/Mark-what has been the most challenging experience since you have been in business school?
Linda Abraham (Oct 14, 2002 9:47:50 PM)
Please hold your questions.
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:48:12 PM)
Scott - It is a guess, but I would say yes given our continued recognition in the rankings (only school in the top 5 in all functional areas, by the way), the economy, and our increased marketing
Deer_Hunter (Oct 14, 2002 9:48:21 PM)
Bairuode (Oct 14, 2002 9:48:33 PM)
I meant Kris, can you repeat your answer please?
LisaMonzonUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:48:38 PM)
Ashley: Yes! I would definitely recommend looking into CEMP if you have an interest in environmental consulting. One of the great things is that you get 2 internships instead of just 1--that gives you a lot more opportunity to get more breadth or depth of experience.
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:48:46 PM)
Vic - our top competitors are probably Wharton and Kellogg
MarkMcIntireUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:48:52 PM)
Brian-I have gone to some seminars put on by the Zell Lurie Institute which is the largest entrepreneurial component at in the UMBS curriculum. There is even a special MAP project through it.
Deer_Hunter (Oct 14, 2002 9:48:53 PM)
Kris said $750 deposit
Deeps (Oct 14, 2002 9:48:54 PM)
thanks Kris....but which domain of work ?..IT/consulting/arch, etc ?
scott.collins (Oct 14, 2002 9:49:02 PM)
? Follow-up Kris -- Saw the ranking stats in the latest M-Talk...congrats.
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:49:04 PM)
reapp_mn - no, only one every two years.
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:49:22 PM)
Scott - thanks. For others not on M-talk, here is the scoop:
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:49:34 PM)
Business Week 2002 Rankings! The University of Michigan Business School was ranked No. 8 in the recently-released 2002 Business Week ranking of U.S. - based business schools. Michigan was the only school to be ranked in the top five in all functional areas by the magazine-- finance, general management, marketing, technology, global scope, and career services. Michigan is one of only four schools to be consistently ranked in the top 10 in every Business Week ranking since its inception in 1988. Our Office of Career Development was also cited as one of the top five best for its career services. The various business school rankings are a good source of information for anyone who is thinking of making an educational commitment as important as an MBA program. That said, we're always cautious to remind prospective students that rankings are, by nature, very subjective and should be used carefully as one of several sources in determining which school is the best fit for you. While we appreciate the continued recognition of Business Week, Wall Street Journal and other rankings, our commitment has always been, and will continue to be, to offer the best management educational experiences and career opportunities to our students.
MarkMcIntireUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:50:20 PM)
Deanette-8:30 classes have been the most challenging thing so far...not really, I think keeping focused on recruiting and studies while trying to build my network of friends from all of the exceptionally bright people that I have met here.
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:50:20 PM)
Deeps - would you repost - I lost the Q from you
reapp_mn (Oct 14, 2002 9:50:22 PM)
Business Weeks rankings are flawed, I think. UMBS should be #1 ..hehe
vic (Oct 14, 2002 9:50:39 PM)
? for Kris, I was looking at the agenda during the school visit. I don't see an info session from the adcom.
Ashley (Oct 14, 2002 9:50:41 PM)
Lisa, I would very much like to further discuss the CEMP, how long its been around, number of alumni, whose recruiting, etc. I'm not finding this info on the web. Can someone involved contact me?
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:50:57 PM)
Vic - we do those on Fridays when classes are not in session
LisaMonzonUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:51:10 PM)
Deanette: most challenging experience . . several! but probably the most difficult for me is the balance trick. I live with my partner John and he is not a student. Our schedules are often not aligned, so spending time together can be challenging. I've been getting better though--I've had a few years to practice now! Other than that, probably juggling hosting conferences, writing articles, studying for exams in fields I've never been exposed to, learning the b-school jargon . . . I can throw some more in!
littletiger (Oct 14, 2002 9:51:13 PM)
? Kris, what characters, that are different from those graduating today, will the employers of 2005 be looking from the MBA grads then? And how is UMBS going to prepare its MBAs for the near future, say 2005?
Deer_Hunter (Oct 14, 2002 9:51:16 PM)
? Is the interview by invitation or do I have to schedule myself?
CC (Oct 14, 2002 9:51:20 PM)
Kris, do you get a lot of IT consultants applying to your program? If so, are you looking for anything extraordinary from an IT consultant, when such kinds of applicants are almost a dime in a dozen for most MBA programs?
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:51:46 PM)
Deer - schedule it yourself. Review the process on the web, and for other schools to which you will apply, as it varies school to school
LisaMonzonUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:52:09 PM)
Ashley: on CEMP: check out our site at http://www.umich.edu/~cemp/
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:52:15 PM)
CC - we get the same Q from consultants, I-bankers, etc. You must remember that you are unique. Your choices throughout life are unique. Just be yourself and tell your story
Linda Abraham (Oct 14, 2002 9:52:27 PM)
For all of you, What's new at Michigan this year?
Deeps (Oct 14, 2002 9:52:32 PM)
? for kris/mark/lisa.....what is the one best thing u have experienced at A2 as students ?..although I am sure there will be plenty, but what's personally appealed to u the most?
LisaMonzonUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:52:36 PM)
Also be sure to take a peek at the new online CEMP newsletter. I just started that last spring . . let me know what you think!
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:52:52 PM)
Linda - we are opening our new Tozzi trading center in the coming weeks - a big expansion over our previous trading floor
AlCotroneUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:52:59 PM)
CC, We'll coach you to use your prior experiences that are germane to your new pursuit to your advantage as you pursue new opportunities. al.
Linda Abraham (Oct 14, 2002 9:53:15 PM)
Is this supposed to simulate a stock or commodities trading floor?
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:53:24 PM)
We also have expanded OCD outreach and services given the downturn in the economy, along with new classes.
vic (Oct 14, 2002 9:53:26 PM)
? for kris/mark/lisa...would you change anything about the school or the program?
Ed Lau (Oct 14, 2002 9:53:39 PM)
? Lisa, I also have a partner. Would she be welcome to participate in school activities?
Linda Abraham (Oct 14, 2002 9:53:54 PM)
What are some of the new classes?
AlCotroneUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:54:00 PM)
As Kris mentioned, we've also expanded what was an already robust off-campus search workshop series. al.
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:54:11 PM)
Linda - yes - live feed to the street, eval software, etc
CC (Oct 14, 2002 9:54:13 PM)
Kris, you mentioned that I should not focus too much on my undergrad in my application - which I can see why. But what if I feel some of my internships during undergrad really make me unique, hence making me who I am today. Should I just be brief about them?
MarkMcIntireUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:54:17 PM)
Linda-In addition to academics outside of the classroom, I was in DC for a week during the summer taking a one-week course sponsored by UMBS on the integration of politics and business. It was terrific, and a great opportunity to make some DC contacts.
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:54:28 PM)
CC - might be a good option for your optional essay
Wei (Oct 14, 2002 9:54:33 PM)
? Have any of you take classes at William Davision Institute (if they offer classes)?
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:54:49 PM)
Wei - we have Global Projects 1, 2 and 3, all through WDI
Linda Abraham (Oct 14, 2002 9:54:49 PM)
LisaMonzonUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:54:53 PM)
FOR QUESTIONS ON CAREER SWITCHING: Michigan has plenty of great opportunities and support systems! I have a non-profit background and was able to get a scholarship from Goldman Sachs and spend a summer on Wall Street. Then I jumped to consulting. All of this with no experience--just good credentials, hard work and the support of Michigan Business School . . plus a little luck!
AlCotroneUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:54:58 PM)
Linda, There are some exciting and timely new courses on ethics and decisions that will be coming up. al.
CC (Oct 14, 2002 9:55:00 PM)
Got it, Kris, thanks!
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:55:07 PM)
www.wdi.bus.umich.edu for more info
Wei (Oct 14, 2002 9:55:16 PM)
LisaMonzonUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:55:37 PM)
Linda; CEMP also offers courses on Corporate Social Responsibility. It has been recognized as one of the strengths and differentiating characteristics of the Michigan Program.
littletiger (Oct 14, 2002 9:55:45 PM)
? Kris/Mark/Lisa... How will u see the characteristic difference between a typical UMBS MBA of 2002 and a typical UMBS MBA of 2005?
Linda Abraham (Oct 14, 2002 9:55:47 PM)
I assume those ethics classes are in response to the scandals of the last few years.
MarkMcIntireUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:55:52 PM)
Deeps-The best thing about my time at UMBS thus far has been the opportunity to learn more about myself. I see all of these fantastically bright people, and it has really provided for some great reflection time.
AlCotroneUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:55:58 PM)
WDI also offers summer internship experiences that are just phenomenal. al.
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:56:07 PM)
Linda - we have had those for a while, just increased attention to the topic
Linda Abraham (Oct 14, 2002 9:56:14 PM)
Deeps (Oct 14, 2002 9:56:15 PM)
What is the minimum work experience of the people in your class?
Deeps (Oct 14, 2002 9:56:21 PM)
oh thanks mark !!
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:56:22 PM)
We added in an ethics piece as part of LDP this year (our leadership program)
driss (Oct 14, 2002 9:56:27 PM)
Ms Kris, I'm planning to apply to your fine academic institution in R2. I'm going to take a chance even if I don't have any experience in the management field. I strongly believe that my strong academic achievements are a plus.
scott.collins (Oct 14, 2002 9:56:27 PM)
? Lisa / Mark -- How do you find the 7 week courses at UMBS...too quick? Good for variety?
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:56:33 PM)
Deeps - this year it ranged from 1 to 20 years
reapp_mn (Oct 14, 2002 9:56:48 PM)
Isn't IMAP done through WDI, Kris? I was talking to Andrew Lawlor (Director of Global Projects) the other day. It's great that everyone is so willing to give information.
AlCotroneUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:56:57 PM)
Linda, Michigan has had such courses for a long time, and they are constantly evolving to be timely. al.
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:57:00 PM)
Yes - IMPA is also called Glob Proj 1
Linda Abraham (Oct 14, 2002 9:57:01 PM)
So UMBS doesn't agree with those pundits who feel that you can't teach ethics to adults?
Deeps (Oct 14, 2002 9:57:04 PM)
how many international applicants were taken with up to 2 yrs of work ex?
LisaMonzonUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:57:28 PM)
Scott.collins: ON 7 WK COURSES: yes too quick sometimes, but I'm very much about exposure. You only have 2 yrs in business school. I like that I can get twice as many classes in, versus all 14-wk courses. It's a trade-off but I prefer the option.
vic (Oct 14, 2002 9:57:30 PM)
Mark/Al, do you have a grade non-disclosure policy? How is the culture at Michigan competitive/collaborative?
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:57:30 PM)
Linda - you need to put yourself into situations that make you think through how you would react before you are caught in them for real. Business School is a great place to explore that.
Ashley (Oct 14, 2002 9:57:43 PM)
Lisa, thanks for the tip on the CEMP newsletter. Can I email you for some insight on my experience, goals, and determining if the JD is right for me?
Linda Abraham (Oct 14, 2002 9:57:54 PM)
Sounds good to me.
driss (Oct 14, 2002 9:58:00 PM)
How about the diversity in your school?
MarkMcIntireUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:58:02 PM)
Linda-On social responsibility, this past year I worked with one of UMBS' foremost scholars - Noel Tichy - to construct a one day business seminar on Ethics in response to the recent business scandals. It was a great turnout - both from Fortune 50 comps and students - with over 1,000 people attending. It is good to see that this is at the forefront of student's mind.
littletiger (Oct 14, 2002 9:58:06 PM)
? Kris: which B-schools are considered as competitors of UMBS?
AlCotroneUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:58:26 PM)
The grads of 2002 had a drastic change from the day they applied to the day they graduated. The class of 2005 will, hopefully have a similar sea change....in a different direction!!!! al.
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:58:38 PM)
Driss - diversity comes in many forms, not just race, gender or country of origin
Deeps (Oct 14, 2002 9:59:02 PM)
thanks Kris....can u please throw some light on the number of people selected in R1 Vs R2
Linda Abraham (Oct 14, 2002 9:59:08 PM)
Mark, I completely agree. I was very disturbed when I saw that some academics were claiming you can't influence adult ethics or morals. On some level, it comes down to cost-benefit analysis and short-term vs. long-term thinking.
driss (Oct 14, 2002 9:59:33 PM)
How about racial diversity? Are there some Moroccans at your school?
Bairuode (Oct 14, 2002 9:59:40 PM)
What is the average percentage of international students that are admitted? What countries have the most students?
MarkMcIntireUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:59:41 PM)
Scott-I have had good experiences with the 7 week classes. Profs are generally considerate and don't try to fit 14 weeks of material in them.
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:59:52 PM)
Deeps - it varies year to year - mainly we look for the best out of each round, and we don't have a quota of what we have to take. But the bulk came from those two rounds, with less from rd 3 or the waitlist this year.
LisaMonzonUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 9:59:56 PM)
WILLIAM DAVIDSON INSTITUTE: Aside from great international internship or IMAP opportunities, WDI offers other things: speaker series, special discussions ( I was able to participate in a small group discussion with Thomas Friedman of the NY Times who wrote The Lexus and the Olive Tree). WDI has the Madeline Albright connection which has brought several interesting topics, discussions to Michigan.
reapp_mn (Oct 14, 2002 10:00:12 PM)
Al, how can I contact you offline? I do have specific questions about recruitment into Global Consulting.
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 10:00:13 PM)
B - Asia and India, followed by Brazil probably
AlCotroneUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 10:00:28 PM)
Vic, A "grade non-disclosure" policy technically refers to the school's release of student information. Virtually all schools have that. UMBS doesn't have "grades" in the traditional sense, yet recruiters will occasionally inquire about students' academic performance. In general, though, earning an UMBS MBA speaks for itself.
driss (Oct 14, 2002 10:00:29 PM)
Bairuode (Oct 14, 2002 10:00:30 PM)
Ed Lau (Oct 14, 2002 10:00:58 PM)
Kris, Mark, Lisa, & Al, Thank you for answering our questions!
vic (Oct 14, 2002 10:01:01 PM)
Wei (Oct 14, 2002 10:01:08 PM)
Thanks, Kris, Al, Lisa, and Mark. Much appreciated!
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 10:01:10 PM)
Driss - racial diversity is one type of diversity of course
Bairuode (Oct 14, 2002 10:01:31 PM)
What kind of questions are appropriate for me to ask during the interview?
MarkMcIntireUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 10:01:47 PM)
DIVERSITY- Thanks, Driss. There is definitely a healthy sense of diversity at UMBS - ethnic and otherwise. In fact, I would encourage you to look at the different clubs at UMBS
MarkMcIntireUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 10:01:50
driss (Oct 14, 2002 10:02:00 PM)
thanks Kris, you are so helpful. I really appreciate it.
Deeps (Oct 14, 2002 10:02:01 PM)
thanks Kris...one ? about the interviews. What is preferred? an alum interview or a telephone interview for the purpose of evaluation?
CC (Oct 14, 2002 10:02:02 PM)
Thank you, everyone!
LisaMonzonUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 10:02:03 PM)
It was fun. Good luck to all of you!
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 10:02:04 PM)
Bair - ask things you have questions about, but be sure to have done your research on the program first
driss (Oct 14, 2002 10:02:07 PM)
Thanks Mark as well
Linda Abraham (Oct 14, 2002 10:02:11 PM)
Diversity includes hobbies, professional backgrounds, geographic backgrounds, religion, sexual orientation. Don't think of it narrowly.
reapp_mn (Oct 14, 2002 10:02:12 PM)
Thanks Kris and the rest of the UMBS team for answering my questions. I am shooting for round one, and I hope I will make it this time. Been working on it for almost a year now :-)
CC (Oct 14, 2002 10:02:25 PM)
And Lisa, I will see you in the DC reception this Thursday. I look forward to it
driss (Oct 14, 2002 10:02:25 PM)
Linda Abraham (Oct 14, 2002 10:02:49 PM)
Kris and the Michigan reps have agreed to stay for another ten minutes if there are additional questions.
Linda Abraham (Oct 14, 2002 10:02:57 PM)
If there are, please post.
Deeps (Oct 14, 2002 10:03:09 PM)
yes about the interviews, which is preferred - an alum interview or a telephonic interview?
Bairuode (Oct 14, 2002 10:03:23 PM)
Does it matter whether I develop my experience in economics or management towards my chances for admission?
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 10:03:26 PM)
All interviews are weighted equally
driss (Oct 14, 2002 10:03:38 PM)
What's the deadline for applying for a fellowship?
vic (Oct 14, 2002 10:03:49 PM)
Kris, what is the weight of an interview in the overall application?
MarkMcIntireUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 10:03:53 PM)
DIVERSITY (ctnd)...Asian, Jewish, Gay/Lesbian, African American and Middle Eastern are among the clubs on the website that I posted earlier.
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 10:03:59 PM)
Clearly, we love for you to visit as you get a sense for Michigan that way, but you can do that networking virtually, by seeing us on the road, etc.
driss (Oct 14, 2002 10:04:16 PM)
Ashley (Oct 14, 2002 10:04:17 PM)
Lisa, can I enroll in the CEMP after I get to Michigan or must I decide on the JD upon applying for my MBA?
steven (Oct 14, 2002 10:04:18 PM)
?For Mark and Lisa, what preconceptions about UM or business school in general were altered once you began school?
LisaMonzonUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 10:04:19 PM)
Driss: check with Financial Aid Office. They are great about advising you of opportunities you might be eligible for throughout the year.
littletiger (Oct 14, 2002 10:04:23 PM)
? any advice on how to tell my story in an engaging way through the essays?
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 10:04:25 PM)
Vic - just one of a number of things we review.
lily (Oct 14, 2002 10:04:25 PM)
Is it possible to be accepted without doing the interview?
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 10:04:50 PM)
Lily - we will interview 100% of those we admit. Sometimes we reach out to get an interview if you didn't complete it
LisaMonzonUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 10:05:02 PM)
Ashley: on Applying to CEMP: we have several CEMPers who started at either the business school or school for natural resources first and then decided to apply. It's fine.
driss (Oct 14, 2002 10:05:04 PM)
How about the interview? Could I do it by phone?
driss (Oct 14, 2002 10:05:09 PM)
I live in Virginia
AlCotroneUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 10:05:24 PM)
Tiger, Be honest and succinct - "tell the story and how it affected you." al.
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 10:05:25 PM)
Driss - yes, see the website for details www.bus.umich.edu/apply
CC (Oct 14, 2002 10:05:29 PM)
How much influence does being involved in student organizations, such as the Organizational Strategy club, have on networking and getting employment after graduation?
driss (Oct 14, 2002 10:05:34 PM)
Ashley (Oct 14, 2002 10:05:37 PM)
Lisa, great! I appreciate your help. Thanks so much.
reapp_mn (Oct 14, 2002 10:05:44 PM)
Lisa/ Mark: How has your classroom experience been?
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 10:06:06 PM)
CC - networking is an imp component in the job search, and much of that can occur via the clubs
LisaMonzonUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 10:06:23 PM)
Steven: Perceptions of UMBS or business that were altered: that all business people are money/power hungry. Sorry! I came from the non-profit world and didn't know what to expect. I was surprised about the great culture here--supportive, great learning environment, okay to not go with the flow.
MarkMcIntireUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 10:06:27 PM)
Steven-I thought it would be less intense than it is...it always looks easier from the outside looking in. However, this is why I can honestly say I'll take a lot away from my experience here.
Wei (Oct 14, 2002 10:06:29 PM)
? How many students from China applied last year and how many were admitted?
AlCotroneUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 10:06:31 PM)
Employers come to Michigan to find all-around capable candidates, both academically and interpersonally. Not being involved on a campus where there are so many ways to be involved, sends a very strong signal. al.
Linda Abraham (Oct 14, 2002 10:06:52 PM)
littletiger, our website if full of advice on how to tell your story. Look through the MBA section and the tips in past issues of Odds 'N Ends.
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 10:06:53 PM)
Wei - I don't recall off the top of my head, just focus on your app and prepare as strong of one as possible
Wei (Oct 14, 2002 10:07:16 PM)
driss (Oct 14, 2002 10:07:28 PM)
Does Michigan have strategic management as a concentration in the second year of the MBA program?
vic (Oct 14, 2002 10:07:38 PM)
Kris, when do you start reviewing apps for round 1? is it after the deadline or a few weeks before?
Linda Abraham (Oct 14, 2002 10:07:39 PM)
Considering that hiring is down in IB and consulting, do you consider it unrealistic or a negative if applicants state their goals as being in IB or consulting?
LisaMonzonUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 10:07:52 PM)
cc: club affiliations are great--there are many professional clubs (Marketing, Finance, Org Strat, Consulting, General Management, etc.)--companies who are in a specific industry or looking for a certain type of skill set will often recruit via clubs or provide additional opportunities to meet with corporate representatives.
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 10:08:01 PM)
I wanted to point out that we are traveling all over the world in the coming months: China, India, West Coast, Chicago, NY, eastern Europe, etc. Check out M-Talk, our e-newsletter or visit our website for more details
MarkMcIntireUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 10:08:21 PM)
Reapp_mn-The classroom experience has been overwhelmingly positive. In fact, I've never fallen asleep due to a professor (maybe once or twice in an early morning class, but that isn't their fault.) Honestly, we have some great minds as professors here. There are also opportunities to work one on one with these people. For instance, I plan on doing an independent study within the Economics Dept. next semester.
reapp_mn (Oct 14, 2002 10:08:26 PM)
Good question, Linda.
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 10:08:27 PM)
Linda - not necessarily, but they should be open to alternatives, such as internal consulting or corporate finance
AlCotroneUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 10:08:31 PM)
Driss, Michigan does not have majors, but students will indicate "emphases" in their studies as an indicator to recruiters of where they are interested in recruitment after graduation. al.
scott.collins (Oct 14, 2002 10:08:52 PM)
? Lisa / Mark -- Did either of you participate in an M-Trek this past summer?
LisaMonzonUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 10:08:54 PM)
driss: you can concentrate on corporate strategy and blend in management through OB (organizational behavior courses--which are very strong at Michigan). There is also a general management club.
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 10:09:04 PM)
Vic - as early as we can, so starting in the next couple of weeks
cindy tokumitsu (Oct 14, 2002 10:09:29 PM)
Good night, all -- thanks everyone at UMBS for an informative chat. To the applicants, good luck with your Michigan applications!
reapp_mn (Oct 14, 2002 10:09:29 PM)
Is Prof. C.K. Prahlad teaching this year? Will he be teaching in the coming years?
driss (Oct 14, 2002 10:09:31 PM)
thanks lisa+ alctrone
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 10:09:36 PM)
Reapp_mn - he is teaching this year
reapp_mn (Oct 14, 2002 10:09:49 PM)
AlCotroneUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 10:09:56 PM)
Linda, I'll let Kris speak to the impression it creates for applicants, but for career search purposes, we want to focus on what is the best career match for a student, and then devise a strategy to secure that position. It may be harder in certain fields during the downturn, but it can still be done.
Bairuode (Oct 14, 2002 10:09:56 PM)
Kris, please tell me again how much money I should save in the bank to study at UMichigan? I am afraid I missed your earlier answer.
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 10:10:00 PM)
It was great being a part of this tonight. Thanks for all the good questions.
vic (Oct 14, 2002 10:10:14 PM)
LisaMonzonUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 10:10:19 PM)
scott.collins: M-Talk is available to incoming MBA students as participants and 2nd yrs as leaders. Unfortunately, I didn't get to do either! Probably my biggest regret! It was a balance issue--I chose to visit family and friends.
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 10:10:20 PM)
B - you need to document that you can cover two years, but you can use CitiAssist to do that as well
Linda Abraham (Oct 14, 2002 10:10:24 PM)
The thought also occurs to me that in 3 years the situation could do another 180 degree turn.
MarkMcIntireUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 10:10:31 PM)
Reapp_mn-Prahlad is teaching right now. I have sat in and it is really an enlightening class...I had to drop for scheduling considerations, but it was very enlightening. I know he wants to teach next year as well.
Wei (Oct 14, 2002 10:10:34 PM)
Thanks a lot.
Bairuode (Oct 14, 2002 10:10:34 PM)
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 10:10:35 PM)
Linda - very true!
Linda Abraham (Oct 14, 2002 10:10:51 PM)
Thank you again all for participating this evening. Special thanks to Kris, Al, Lisa, and Mark for joining us and to Paul Bodine and Cindy Tokumitsu for their assistance.
LisaMonzonUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 10:11:00 PM)
reapp_mn: I just finished a course with CK Prahalad. It was a great corporate strategy course on new ways of thinking and uncovering innovation.
KrisNebelUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 10:11:06 PM)
THANKS AGAIN - GOOD NIGHT!
steven (Oct 14, 2002 10:11:08 PM)
MarkMcIntireUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 10:11:13 PM)
Thanks, all. Mark
Deeps (Oct 14, 2002 10:11:16 PM)
For the alumni interviews...if the alum is in the same place as I am, would you then suggest a personal interview over a telephonic interview, or do they get to decide?
Linda Abraham (Oct 14, 2002 10:11:20 PM)
We look forward to seeing you at future chats. Here is a list of currently scheduled chats:
Paul_Bodine (Oct 14, 2002 10:11:21 PM)
Good luck everyone!
AlCotroneUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 10:11:21 PM)
Linda, Think of the answer we would have given a 2002 grad at a similar point 3 years ago!!
Linda Abraham (Oct 14, 2002 10:11:28 PM)
Oct. 22 - Dartmouth's Tuck with Kristin Laca, Tuck's new Director of Admissions and three Tuck students; Nov. 4 - Chicago's with Don Martin, Director of Admissions; Cornell, UT, and Darden on deck in November!
Deeps (Oct 14, 2002 10:11:33 PM)
thanks to you all for answering our questions :)
LisaMonzonUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 10:11:35 PM)
Bye again! Good luck!
littletiger (Oct 14, 2002 10:11:37 PM)
AlCotroneUMBS (Oct 14, 2002 10:11:37 PM)
Good night everyone. Good to meet you, and Good luck! al.
Linda Abraham (Oct 14, 2002 10:11:38 PM)
Al, that's what I was thinking.
reapp_mn (Oct 14, 2002 10:11:43 PM)
Thank you Linda. This is great service you provide.
Linda Abraham (Oct 14, 2002 10:11:50 PM)
Deeps (Oct 14, 2002 10:11:52 PM)
is there any way we can get back to u if there are more questions
driss (Oct 14, 2002 10:11:59 PM)
Is there any virtual interaction during a typical classroom at Michigan with any other recognized business schools in the US and in the world?
Linda Abraham (Oct 14, 2002 10:12:04 PM)
Please check http://www.accepted.com/chat/schedule.aspx#mba for exact times and details.
Linda Abraham (Oct 14, 2002 10:12:11 PM)
Have a very good evening! Good luck with your applications!